• Moe Factz with Adam Curry for December 7th 2020, Episode number 55

• "Trappers Delight"

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  • Adam and Moe deconstruct the Verzuz Instagram Live Battles and how it ties into Trap, Politics and the Georgia bag

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  • DNI Ratcliffe: Elex 'Issues' Have To Be Settled Before Winner Declared
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  • EXCLUSIVE: MORE ON SUSPECT RALPH JONES SR.- Was Outed by Loud Mouth Gabriel Sterling - Son, Ralph Jones Jr., Is the OFFICIAL SPOKESMAN for Democrat US Senate Candidate Warnock Linked to Stacey Abrams
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    • The pieces are falling together.We've identified Ralph Jones, Sr. as the supervisor running the late night ballot counts in Atlanta in secret after sending all Republicans home from the arena.
    • BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: Third Suspect from State Farm Center 'Suitcase Scandal' Identified as Ralph Jones, Sr. '' Who Was in the News for Shady Deal with ATL Mayor Keisha Bottoms
    • Gabriel Sterling, the loud mouth and no doubt crooked Georgia Elections representative, spoke about 'Ralph' in an interview on Newsmax earlier this week. The Ralph that Sterling is referring to is Ralph Jones Sr. who was involved in a scandal with the Atlanta Mayor and who also was supervising the team that stuck around Atlanta's State Farm Arena on Election night and began counting ballots brought out from under a table.
    • TRENDING: BREAKING HUGE: Major National Security Issue Identified Related to China's Connection to Dominion Voting Machines
    • Sterling knows Ralph by first name. (Is Sterling one of the individuals calling Ralph at midnight on election night?) See video of interview below at the 11:10 mark where he refers to Ralph and again at the 12:00 mark where Sterling says:
    • And that's actually Ralph in the red shirt right there and he's the one who told me to stay back and continue to work.''
    • Jones' son, Ralph Mays Jones Jr is connected to the Atlanta mayor involved in a scandal and directly to Stacey Abrams per his Facebook page:
    • Aljazeera reported that Ralph Jones' son is the official spokesman for Democratic US Senate candidate Raphael Warnock's campaign:
    • Ralph Jones Jr, a spokesman for Democratic US Senate candidate Raphael Warnock's campaign, praised Abrams' contribution to Democratic gains in Georgia, saying she ''helped register hundreds of thousands of new voters, many of whom are young people of colour, and the turnout in this election has already blown past expectations''.
    • This is also noted on his Facebook page.
    • Ralph Jones Jr. also includes links to his work with Democratic candidate Warnock on his LinkedIn page.
    • What the hell is going on in Georgia?
  • BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: Third Suspect from State Farm Center 'Suitcase Scandal' Identified as Ralph Jones, Sr. - Who Was in the News for Shady Deal with ATL Mayor Keisha Bottoms
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    • We've reported numerous times on events in Georgia on election night at the State Farm Arena in Atlanta. We've now uncovered more on the incident that exemplifies the 2020 election in Georgia.On election night we were told that voting stopped in Georgia's State Farm Arena due to a water main break. President Trump was way ahead in the election at that time. But a couple days later we uncovered that the water main break never happened. First an attorney in the Atlanta area asked for information related to the event via an freedom of information request and he shared with us that the only item he received was a couple of text messages related to the event:
    • After posting this, we found out that the water department in Atlanta never even received a call regarding the water main break.It was a scam.
    • TRENDING: BREAKING HUGE: Major National Security Issue Identified Related to China's Connection to Dominion Voting Machines
    • Next it was uncovered that a mother and daughter team, Ruby Freeman and her daughter ''Shaye'' Moss as well as a couple others, stuck around after sending everyone home and started running ballots through tabulators. Ballots were pulled out from under a table that were previously covered up and processed with no Republican observers.
    • The mother '' daughter team have become infamous in the annals of voter corruption:
    • BREAKING: CROOKED GEORGIA ELECTIONS SUPERVISER Filmed Pulling Out Suitcases of Ballots from Beneath Table IS IDENTIFIED '-- IT'S RUBY'S DAUGHTER! (Video)
    • On Sunday night we uncovered another observation of events that night.
    • One of the other individuals who stuck around moved from his regular station and moved to another cube where he held numerous calls with someone as the ballot counting went on. Yaacov Apelbaum at the Illustrated Primer points out where this mysterious man in red placed himself:
    • According to the composite, the man in red makes two phone calls on Election Night at 10:58pm which then triggers the removal of the ballot cases from under the table covered in black material. Within a couple minutes four boxes of ballots are wheeled out from under the table.
    • We now believe the man taking the calls and organizing the massive ''suitcase'' scandal that night is Ralph Jones.
    • Ralph Jones is the registrations chief at Fulton County Government.
    • We have video of Ralph Jones taking time out to speak with Ruby Freeman while she was filmed counting ballots.
    • Here is the video of Ralph and Ruby Freeman.
    • Ralph Jones Jr. has his own consulting firm and did work for Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms.Mayor Bottoms paid Ralph Jones Jr's consulting firm $3,600 during her runoff last year.
    • And then she won her runoff! What a great investment!
    • The AJC reported on Keisha and Ralph in 2018.
    • According to records obtained by Channel 2 Action News and The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, the campaign paid more than $3,600 to RJ Mays Consulting, whose registered agent is Ralph Jones Sr., registration chief of the county's election department.
    • The filings raise questions about potential conflicts of interest and what experts called an alarming lack of separation between a top election employee and active political campaign.
    • And Ralph's son Ralph Jones Jr. was Keisha's online social media director.
    • FYI '-- We have a huge update coming on this guy.
  • VIDEO - HILLARY AND BILL CLINTON, THE DRUGS VOLUME by Harold Arroyo, Jr. - issuu
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    • Demetrius and Terry FlenoryDemetrius "Big Meech" Flenory (right, in green) and second-in-command Chad "J-Bo" Brown
    • FoundedLate 1980s; "BMF" name given around the year 2000.Founding locationDetroit, MichiganYears active1989''presentTerritoryStates: Alabama, California, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Wisconsin, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, New York, North Carolina, Virginia, Ohio, and TennesseeMembershipOver 150 members indicted thus far.ActivitiesDrug trafficking, and money launderingThe Black Mafia Family (BMF) is a drug trafficking and money laundering organization in the United States.
    • The Black Mafia Family was founded in 1989 in Detroit by brothers Demetrius "Big Meech" Flenory and Terry "Southwest T" Flenory, and by 2000 had established cocaine distribution sales throughout the United States through their Los Angeles''based drug source and direct links to Mexican drug cartels.[1][2] The Black Mafia Family operated from two main hubs: one in Atlanta for distribution run by Demetrius Flenory and one in Los Angeles to handle incoming shipments from Mexico run by Terry Flenory.[3]
    • The Black Mafia Family under Demetrius Flenory entered the hip-hop music business as BMF Entertainment in the early 2000s as a front organization to launder money from cocaine sales and to legitimize itself. BMF Entertainment served as a promoter for several high-profile hip-hop artists including Fabolous and Young Jeezy, and as a record label for their sole artist Bleu DaVinci. Demetrius Flenory and the Black Mafia Family became famous in hip-hop popular culture for their highly extravagant lifestyles.
    • In 2005, the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) indicted members of the Black Mafia Family, ultimately securing convictions by targeting the Flenory brothers under the Continuing Criminal Enterprise Statute, and both were sentenced to 30 years imprisonment. Subsequent indictments eventually targeted over 150 members of the organization. Prosecutors alleged the Black Mafia Family made over $270 million in the course of their operations.
    • Flenory brothers [ edit ] Demetrius Edward "Big Meech" Flenory (born June 21, 1968, in Cleveland, Ohio) and his brother Terry P.O. Lee "Southwest T" Flenory (born January 10, 1972, in Detroit, Michigan) began selling $50 bags of cocaine on the streets of Detroit during their high school years in the late 1980s.[4][5] By 2000, the Flenory brothers had established a large organization overseeing multi-kilogram cocaine distribution cells in numerous U.S. states including Alabama, California, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, North Carolina, Ohio, and Tennessee.[6] A two-year federal investigation of the Flenory organization estimated its nationwide membership as over 500.
    • Around 2001, the organization experienced a schism when the Flenory brothers began to feud, with Terry Flenory moving to Los Angeles to head his own organization, while Demetrius Flenory remained at the main distribution center in Atlanta. By 2003, the two had been involved in a major falling out and rarely spoke to one another.[6] In a conversation with his brothers caught by the DEA on wiretap, Terry discussed his worries that his brother Demetrius was bringing the wrong type of attention to their business with his excessive partying. By the time charges were filed against the Flenorys, the government had 900 pages of typed transcripts of wiretapped conversations from Terry's phone in a 5-month period.[6]
    • In November 2007, the brothers pleaded guilty to running a continuing criminal enterprise.[7] In September 2008, both brothers were sentenced to 30 years in prison for running a nationwide cocaine-trafficking ring, which lasted from 2000 to 2005.[8] Demetrius Flenory is serving out his sentence at Federal Correctional Institution, Sheridan and is scheduled for release on May 5, 2032, around his 64th birthday.[9] While incarcerated at United States Penitentiary, Lompoc, a medium-security federal prison in California, he adopted the name Big Herm. Terry Flenory was released to home confinement on May 5, 2020, after being granted a compassionate release due to health ailments and an effort from the Federal Bureau of Prisons to release certain inmates in order to limit the spread of the COVID-19 pandemic within federal prisons. Demetrius Flenory also sought his release under the same guidelines; however, a federal judge rejected the move, claiming it'd be premature to authorize his release as his prison record suggests he has not changed and continues to promote himself as a drug kingpin, further stating his disciplinary record includes violations such as possession of a cell phone and weapons as well as drug use.[10]
    • Demetrius Flenory was interviewed from prison by the magazines Don Diva[11] and The Source.[12]
    • BMF Entertainment [ edit ] In the early 2000s, Demetrius Flenory established BMF Entertainment as a promotion agency and record label for hip-hop music. The Flenory brothers were already known to associate with numerous high-profile hip-hop artists including E40, Trina, T.I., Shawty Lo, Jay-Z and Fabolous. Demetrius founded BMF Entertainment as a front organization for money laundering the cash generated by the cocaine distribution network, but was also an attempt to create a legitimate business and legal source of income. Around this time, the Flenory organization formally adopted the name "Black Mafia Family" after previously being unnamed.
    • In 2004, Bleu Da Vinci's album, World Is BMF's, was nominated for a Source Award. BMF appeared in numerous underground hip-hop DVD magazines, most notably several issues of S.M.A.C.K. and The Come Up. The organization's most highly visible appearance was in a full-length DVD that was produced by The Raw Report, which gave a detailed inside look at their movement. The DVD was featured Vibe's cover article on BMF in the May 2006. It received wide acclaim from DJs for the Soundsmith Productions produced song "Streets on Lock",[13] headed by BMF affiliate Bleu Davinci and featuring Fabolous and Young Jeezy. A music video[14] was later produced for the single, though it was never released to networks.
    • Creative Loafing senior editor Mara Shalhoup wrote a three-part series about the Black Mafia Family entitled Hip-Hop's Shadowy Empire,[15] which was the first in-depth report on the organization. Shalhoup's later book on the organization, BMF: The Rise and Fall of Big Meech and the Black Mafia Family, was published in March 2010.
    • Investigation [ edit ] Operation Motor City Mafia [ edit ] Hidden compartments inside the Lincoln limousine used to transport cocaine and money.
    • Police investigation into the Black Mafia began sometime in the early 1990s, before the organization operated by Demetrius and Terry Flenory was named or reached peak distribution. The lead-up to the October 2005 indictments began with a series of large drug seizures and subsequent informant testimonies from BMF members. On October 28, 2003, a 2-year Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force investigation began, coordinated by the DEA's Special Operations Division and codenamed "Operation Motor City Mafia".
    • On April 11, 2004, BMF courier and high-level distributor Jabari Hayes was pulled over in Phelps County, Missouri along I-44 driving a 40-foot motor home, supposedly for swerving over the fog line. Two suitcases containing approximately 95 kilograms of cocaine and 572 grams of marijuana were found in the back of the Range Rover after a K-9 unit was alerted to drugs in the vehicle.[6]
    • In mid-September 2004, a wiretap on Rafael "Smurf" Allison, a low-level crack dealer in Atlanta, led an HIDTA task force to Decarlo Hoskins, a mid-level dealer. Hoskins informed them that he had grown up with two brothers, Omari McCree and Jeffrey Leahr, who were BMF members and able to supply multi-kilogram quantities of cocaine regularly. Wiretaps revealed that Omari McCree was a high-level distributor for the Flenory organization and was favored by Demetrius.
    • On November 5, 2004, Jeffrey Leahr was pulled over with his girlfriend on I-75 in Atlanta due to the wiretaps. In the back seat was a duffel bag containing 10 kilograms of cocaine. They were released later that day in an attempt by HIDTA to gather more information in regards to their supplier and the organization using wiretaps. McCree and Leahr, facing a large debt to BMF for the lost cocaine, went on the run. When picked up June 8, 2005, McCree signed a confidential-source agreement and described his role in BMF, naming Demetrius Flenory as the source of the cocaine. Chad "J-Bo" Brown, supplied him with cocaine on behalf of Demetrius. These events and a number of others formed the backbone of the government's case. During trial, the government's star witness was William "Doc" Marshall.[6]
    • Testimony given during various trials say the Flenory organization operated as follows: BMF operated five stash houses in the Atlanta area. Approximately every 10 days, vehicles would arrive with 100''150 kilograms of cocaine packed in secret compartments. Workers at the stash houses were paid to unload the drugs and store them.[16] Customers who ordered would call in and say they had their vehicle ready '' meaning a transportation vehicle to put the narcotics in. Depending on the size of their order, they were directed to a particular stash house where they would pull in, go inside, hand over money in $5,000 bundles. The cocaine was usually sold at $20,000 per kilogram.[16] The same vehicles would then be filled with cash (the proceeds from drug sales) to be sent back to the Mexican sources of supply.[17] Workers inside the stash houses had certain duties, such as counting bulk amounts of cash, usually in the millions. Other people were packaging the cocaine for customers. BMF also received drugs through large containers at the airport containing 100''150 kilograms of cocaine, which they picked up and delivered to stash houses.[16]
    • 2005 raids and arrests [ edit ] Demetrius Flenory on arrest in 2005.
    • In October 2005, it was reported that some 30 members of BMF were arrested in a massive drug raid orchestrated by the DEA. During these raids, the DEA seized $3 million in cash and assets, 2.5 kilograms of cocaine, and numerous weapons.[18] Prior to the October 2005 raids, the DEA had arrested 17 BMF members, seized 632 kilograms of cocaine, $5.3 million in cash, and $5.7 million in assets. They claimed BMF was responsible for moving over 2,500 kilograms of cocaine a month throughout the United States.
    • Demetrius Flenory and Terry Flenory were charged under the Continuing Criminal Enterprise Statute, conspiracy to distribute 5 kilograms or more of cocaine, possession with intent to distribute more than 500 grams of cocaine, conspiracy to launder monetary instruments, and two counts of possession with intent to distribute more than 5 kilograms of cocaine. Demetrius was captured in a large home in a suburb outside Dallas. Inside, police found a small amount of marijuana and a few MDMA pills. In a safe inside the house were several weapons, as well as multiple vehicles at the home. Terry was captured in St. Louis with small amounts of marijuana and weapons found throughout the house, which was also occupied by multiple people at the time of the arrest.
    • 2006 indictments [ edit ] On June 15, 2006, the U.S. Department of Treasury reported that 16 additional individuals had been charged with conspiracy to distribute cocaine and money laundering charges under a second, superseding indictment, bringing the number of people charged in the case to 49. The list of accused included Jacob Arabo, popularly known as Jacob the Jeweler, a well-known celebrity jeweler in the hip-hop community. Arabo was charged with conspiracy to launder more than $270 million in illegally obtained funds.[19]
    • The Department of Justice also shed light on more of the group's alleged activities in the indictment papers, which included running drug money through various banks and money wiring services in an attempt to disguise its origin. The group had also been accused of obtaining several winning Michigan state lottery tickets from a third party, which they paid cash for, and then cashing in the tickets in an attempt to make the money appear legitimate. The indictment sought the forfeiture of "more than 30 pieces of jewelry, 13 residences, 35 vehicles including Lincoln Limousine, BMW's, Range Rovers, Aston-Martin, and Bentleys, numerous bank accounts, over $1.2 million in seized currency, and a money judgment totaling $270 million."[20]
    • 2007 indictments [ edit ] On July 25, 2007, David Nahmias, the U.S. Attorney for the United States District Court for the Northern District of Georgia unveiled an indictment of 16 more members of the Black Mafia Family.[21] The indictment charged all defendants with participating in the nationwide cocaine distribution conspiracy, which carries a penalty of between 10 years and life in prison, and up to a $4 million fine. The indictments were seen as "shutting down the BMF's once-flourishing drug empire."
    • Atlanta BMF indictments [ edit ] On July 26, 2007, the government unsealed indictments charging 16 BMF members in Atlanta with conspiracy to distribute cocaine. All 16 defendants were charged with participating in the overall cocaine distribution conspiracy. The conspiracy charge carries a mandatory minimum sentence of 10 years in prison and a maximum sentence of life in prison as well as a $4,000,000 fine. Eventually, all defendants pleaded guilty before trial except Fleming "Ill" Daniels.
    • Fleming Daniels, a top member of the Black Mafia Family drug ring, was sentenced to 20 years in prison for drug trafficking on December 17, 2008. The federal judge also fined Daniels $10,000 for taking part in the violent group. Daniels was the 16th defendant indicted in Atlanta on charges stemming from their role in the organization and the only defendant in the Atlanta indictments to go to trial, with 11 others already having pleaded guilty.[22] The government's case relied upon testimony from William "Doc" Marshall and Ralph Simms to convict Daniels. Daniels had not been caught with cocaine nor caught on wiretaps discussing drug business. The testimony from Marshall indicated that he had seen Daniels receive cocaine in the kilograms while he himself was picking up cocaine.[22] Daniels also awaited trial for the July 2004 murder of Rashannibal Drummond. On February 26, 2010 he pleaded guilty and was sentenced to 20 years for voluntary manslaughter. His 20-year sentence will run concurrent to another 20-year sentence stemming for his role on BMF cocaine charges.
    • Barima "Bleu DaVinci" McKnight, the rapper and sole artist of BMF Entertainment, was sentenced on October 30, 2008, to five years and four months in federal prison. McKnight claimed Flenory presented himself as being involved in the music industry and it was not until much later that he let him into the cocaine side of the business.[22] McKnight stated at sentencing that when he first met Demetrius Flenory, he did not show him "the other side of his world", in reference to the cocaine trafficking. McKnight was released in 2011 and returned to his music career. He and his younger brother Calico Jonez began the BMF tour. Calico Jonez, who had started Swishgang joined with McKnight to establish a BMF Swishgang. Jonez, whom was known to have played a role in Soulja Boy's label SODMG, and gang ties to Long Beach California's Rolling 20s Crips began making music under the BMF Entertainment umbrella. McKnight is also a cousin of Ras Kass.
    • 2009 arrest [ edit ] The last remaining suspect, Vernon Marcus Coleman, was arrested on July 17, 2009, in Atlanta. He was indicted in 2007 for possession with intent to distribute cocaine. As of 2015, all 150 indicted members of BMF have been arrested. However, the total number of BMF members exceeded well over 150. The federal government believes the 150 they have indicted and arrested account for the command and control structure, as well as other key figures in the organization, such as distributors, stash house operators, and transporters.[23]
    • Allegations of violence [ edit ] Prior to Operation Motor City Mafia and shortly after its commencement, there were numerous acts of violence alleged to have been committed by BMF members:[16]
    • November 11, 2003: Demetrius Flenory was arrested in connection with the Buckhead-area shooting deaths at Club Chaos of Anthony "Wolf" Jones, former bodyguard of P. Diddy, and Wolf's childhood friend, Lamont "Riz" Girdy. However, Demetrius was shot in the buttocks and claimed self-defense; he was subsequently never indicted.[16]July 25, 2004: At a Midtown Atlanta club called the Velvet Room, a man named Rashannibal "Prince" Drummond was killed. The incident began after alleged 3rd-in-command of BMF, Flemming "Ill" Daniels, nearly backed into Drummond in his Porsche Cayenne Turbo. After Drummond hit the car to alert the driver, the passengers of the car got out and began beating Drummond and his friends. During the fight, a friend of Drummond's fired a warning shot to scare everyone off; Daniels allegedly retrieved his gun, returned fire, then walked over to Drummond and executed him on the ground.[16]September 2004: Ulysses Hackett and his girlfriend Misty Carter were executed in her Highland Avenue apartment in Atlanta. Police say the murders were ordered by Tremayne "Kiki" Graham, then son-in-law of Shirley Franklin, the Mayor of Atlanta, and alleged associate of BMF. They claimed Ulysses was thinking of testifying against BMF and Graham, growing suspicious, ordered their murder.[16]May 10, 2005: Henry "Pookie Loc" Clark was killed by popular rapper Gucci Mane during an attempted robbery committed by Clark and four other men. The five men attacked Gucci Mane in the apartment of a stripper he met earlier that day, but Gucci Mane was armed and managed to fire at the attackers, hitting Clark. The incident occurred during a feud between Gucci Mane and rapper Young Jeezy, a good friend of Demetrius Flenory. Gucci Mane was later cleared of the murder charges due to acting in self-defense, and his lawyers alleged the five men were ordered by BMF to commit the robbery.[16]May 11, 2005: A fugitive named Deron Gatling was located by a regional drug task force in Chamblee, Georgia. Task force agents found Gatling behind insulation in the attic; at that moment shots were fired from outside the house at law enforcement. They traced the last number called in Gatling's phone to Jerry Davis, leader of BMF's supposed sister organization, the Sin City Mafia. Police alleged that Gatling called Davis to report the officers at his house, and Davis ordered the shots to be fired.[16]May 23, 2005: Shayne and Kelsey Brown, nephews of R&B singer Bobby Brown, were stabbed in the neck with an ice pick at a birthday party at Justin's, a restaurant in Atlanta owned by P. Diddy. Witnesses claim that Marques "Baby Bleu" Dixson, the younger brother of BMF rap artist and member Bleu DaVinci, got into an altercation with the Browns alongside bodyguards of rapper Fabolous, who was there with Dixson. During the altercation, Dixson is alleged to have stabbed both in the neck, causing permanent disfigurement. Dixson was later murdered in 2006 by his girlfriend.[16]In popular culture [ edit ] Jabari Hayes, an alleged member of the BMF who allegedly served as their courier and distributor, wrote the book Miles in the Life[24] and is also the executive producer of a documentary by the same name. In both, Hayes recounts his upbringing in public housing in Brooklyn with a crack-addicted mother and a move to St. Louis as a high-schooler to escape his surroundings, eventually landing in Atlanta where after graduating from Morehouse College, he began operating a valet parking service that eventually led to his alleged involvement with the BMF.
    • See also [ edit ] African-American organized crimeBlack MafiaList of crime bosses convicted in the 21st centuryReferences [ edit ] ^ "Black Mafia Family Members Sentenced to 30 Years" (Press release). US Drug Enforcement Administration. Archived from the original on September 16, 2011 . Retrieved November 15, 2009 . ^ United States v. Smith, April 7, 2010, Law.com ^ "Black Mafia Family Members Sentenced to 30 Years" Archived 2011-09-16 at the Wayback Machine, September 12, 2008, Drug Enforcement Administration ^ "News from DEA, Domestic Field Divisions, Detroit News Releases, 11/20/07". Archived from the original on 2013-08-02 . Retrieved 2016-10-11 . ^ "The Black Mafia Family" Archived 2011-06-07 at the Wayback Machine, February 2010, Atlanta Magazine ^ a b c d e "Demetrius "Meech" Flenory BMF Indictment". ^ "The Second of Two Drug Kingpins Plead Guilty To Drug and Money Laundering Charges". News release. US Drug Enforcement Administration. 20 November 2007. ^ Starbury, Allen (14 September 2008). "BMF Founders Sentenced To 30 Years In Prison". BallerStatus. ^ Federal Bureau of Prisons. "Inmate Locator: Demetrius Flenory". US Department of Justice . Retrieved 17 May 2012 . ^ "Black Mafia Family leader 'Big Meech' early release halted". thegrio.com. 6 May 2020. ^ "Backissue #35". Don Diva. Archived from the original on 2009-09-24. ^ "Big Meech Interview from Jail (Feb 09')". Forbez DVD Blog. Archived from the original on 2012-03-21. ^ "Bleu DaVinci '' Streets On Lock". Discogs . Retrieved 8 January 2012 . ^ Bleu Davinci featuring Young Jeezy and Fabolous. Streets on Lock (Music video) . Retrieved 8 January 2012 . ^ Shalhoup, Mara (6 December 2006). "Hip-hop's shadowy empire". Creative Loafing. ^ a b c d e f g h i j Shalhoup, Mara (2010). BMF: The Rise and Fall of Big Meech and the Black Mafia Family. St. Martin's Press. ^ [1] Archived January 2, 2009, at the Wayback Machine ^ "DEA Deals Motor City Mafia a Knock-out Blow" (Press release). United States Drug Enforcement Administration. 28 October 2005 . Retrieved 8 January 2012 . ^ Sales, Nancy Jo (November 2006). "Is Hip-Hop's Jeweler on the Rocks?". Vanity Fair. Archived from the original on 30 November 2009 . Retrieved 8 January 2012 . ^ "16 Additional People Indicted in Large Scale Drug and Money Laundering Case" (Press release). United States Drug Enforcement Administration. 15 June 2006 . Retrieved 8 January 2012 . ^ "Sixteen Members of Black Mafia Family Charged in Cocaine Distribution Conspiracy" (PDF) (Press release). United States Attorney's Office: Northern District of Georgia. 25 July 2007. Archived from the original (PDF) on 2 December 2007. ^ a b c "Ten Black Mafia Family Defendants Sentenced" (Press release). United States Drug Enforcement Administration. 30 October 2008. Archived from the original on 9 May 2009 . Retrieved 8 January 2012 . ^ Cook, Rhonda (17 July 2009). "Last remaining member of Black Mafia Family arrested". The Atlanta Journal-Constitution . Retrieved 8 January 2012 . ^ Hayes, Jabari (2009). Miles in the Life. For Life Publishing. Further reading [ edit ] "Hustlaz Ambition: BMF's Big Meech", February 24, 2009, The Source"Young Jeezy, Big Meech, the Black Family Mafia, and a Hundred Thousand Kilos of Coke", May 6, 2010, Miami New Times"The "Black Mafia Family" Movie Is Coming To A Theater Near You!", June 24, 2011, ComplexExternal links [ edit ] FBI file on the Black Mafia Family at the Internet Archive
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    • Hustle & Flow is a 2005 American drama film written and directed by Craig Brewer and produced by John Singleton and Stephanie Allain. It stars Terrence Howard as a Memphis hustler and pimp who faces his aspiration to become a rapper. It also stars Anthony Anderson, Taryn Manning, Taraji P. Henson, Paula Jai Parker, Elise Neal, DJ Qualls and Ludacris.
    • Hustle & Flow was released in the United States on July 22, 2005 by Paramount Pictures. It received positive reviews from critics, with praise directed at the performances (particularly those of Howard and Henson), Brewer's script and direction, and the soundtrack. It was also a commercial success, grossing $23.5 million against a production budget of $2.8 million.
    • The film received numerous accolades and nominations, and was nominated twice at the 78th Academy Awards for Best Actor (Howard) and Academy Award for Best Original Song for Three 6 Mafia's song "It's Hard out Here for a Pimp", winning the latter and becoming the second hip hop song to win an Academy Award, after Eminem's "Lose Yourself."
    • Plot [ edit ] DJay (Terrence Howard) is a pimp and drug dealer who is dissatisfied with his life. After owning a keyboard and reacquainting himself with an old friend from school, Key (Anthony Anderson), who has become a sound technician, DJay decides to try his hand at making hip hop songs.
    • Key and his sound-mixer friend Shelby (DJ Qualls) help DJay put together several "flow" songs in which he expresses the frustrations of a small-time hustler struggling to survive. DJay quickly proves to have a true talent for lyrics, and his first fixed-length song, done at the urging of his friends, appears to have a decent chance of becoming a hit and getting local radio play.
    • The group experiences many setbacks throughout the creative process. DJay must hustle those around him in order to procure proper equipment and recording time, and Key's relationship with his wife becomes strained. DJay throws out one of his prostitutes, Lexus, along with her one-year-old son Roger, for ridiculing his art. DJay's pregnant prostitute, Shug (Taraji P. Henson), joins in the creative process, singing hooks, and the group eventually records several fixed-length tracks, including "Whoop That Trick" and their primary single "It's Hard Out Here for a Pimp". After their first recording, DJay falls in love with Shug.
    • DJay's friend Arnel (Isaac Hayes) informs him that Skinny Black (Chris "Ludacris" Bridges), a successful Memphis rapper, will be returning to the neighborhood for a Fourth of July party. DJay gains admittance to the party under the pretext of providing marijuana, with the intention of giving Skinny Black his demo tape. Black is dismissive at first, but after a long night of reminiscing DJay successfully persuades him into taking the tape.
    • Before leaving the party, however, DJay discovers that the drunken Black has destroyed his tape, leaving it in the toilet. When DJay confronts Skinny Black, Black laughs at the idea of touring with DJay and insults him. In a fit of rage, DJay beats Black to a bloody pulp. Realizing what he has done, DJay attempts to resuscitate the unconscious Black, until a member of Black's crew enters the bathroom and quickly pulls out his gun. DJay shoots the man in his arm, then uses him as a human shield to make his escape.
    • DJay arrives home to find the police and Black's associates waiting for him. DJay turns himself in and tells the prostitute Nola (Taryn Manning) to keep his writing pad with his rap lyrics on it. He tells her she is "in charge" of getting his songs on local radio stations, and exchanges a glance with a tearful Shug. DJay is charged for assault and possession of a firearm and is sentenced to 11 months in prison.
    • While serving his time, DJay gets a visit from Key. When Key asks DJay if he really knew Skinny Black, DJay reveals that he made it up in order to keep the group's dream alive. DJay learns from Key that Nola has hustled the local radio DJs into playing his songs, which have become local hits. Key says he and Nola want to discuss his future plans. The film ends as we see a friendly duo of prison guards who have their own rap group asking DJay to listen to their demo, much as DJay had approached Skinny Black. Humbled and flattered, DJay accepts their tape and responds with: "You know what they say, everybody gotta have a dream".
    • Cast [ edit ] Terrence Howard as DJayAnthony Anderson as KeyTaryn Manning as NolaTaraji P. Henson as ShugDJ Qualls as ShelbyLudacris as Skinny BlackPaula Jai Parker as LexusElise Neal as YevetteJuicy J as TiggaHaystak as MickeyDJ Paul as R.L.I-20 as Yellow JacketIsaac Hayes as ArnelProduction [ edit ] This section
    • needs expansion.
    • You can help by adding to it. ( March 2010 )Terrence Howard initially turned down the role of DJay. He reportedly was attempting to avoid being typecast as a "pimp" archetype. However, after recognizing the complexity and depth of the character, he reversed his earlier decision and took on the role.
    • As concepts of both hustle and flow are unique to African American culture, it turned out to be nearly impossible to find proper translations for international release of the film. For example, the Russian translation of the title means "The bustle and the motion". The Italian title is appended with "Il colore della musica" which means "The color of music".
    • The film experienced many years of near-misses and outright rejection from major studios and potential financiers before finally being backed by its longtime supporter John Singleton. In the DVD extras Singleton says that he decided at last to put up the money himself because he was exasperated at his friends' not getting what their film deserved.
    • Critical reception [ edit ] On Rotten Tomatoes the film holds an approval rating of 83% based on 160 reviews, with an average rating of 7.3/10. The site's critical consensus reads: "Hustle & Flow is gritty and redemptive, with a profound sense of place and exciting music."[2] Metacritic gives the film a weighted average score of 68 out of 100 based on 37 critics, indicating "generally favorable reviews".[3]
    • The Boston Globe said, "Some will find it chicly inspired, recalling blaxploitation's heyday with its grimy urban realism. Some will find it corny, absurd, and a limited view of options for disenfranchised African-Americans."[4] According to Entertainment Weekly, "The home-studio recording sequences in Hustle & Flow are funky, rowdy, and indelible. Brewer gives us the pleasure of watching characters create music from the ground up."[5]
    • Awards and nominations [ edit ] Academy AwardsBest Actor in a Leading Role: Terrence Howard (Nominated)Best Original Song: Jordan Houston, Cedric Coleman, and Paul Beauregard for "It's Hard out Here for a Pimp" (Winner)Austin Film CriticsBreakthrough Artist Award: Terrence Howard (Winner) also won for Four Brothers, Get Rich or Die Tryin', Lackawanna Blues and Their Eyes Were Watching GodBlack Movie AwardsOutstanding Actor in a Motion Picture: Terrence Howard (Winner)Outstanding Performance by an Actress in a Supporting Role: Taraji P. Henson (Winner)Outstanding Performance by an Actor in a Supporting Role: Anthony Anderson (Winner)Outstanding Motion Picture: (Nominated)Black Reel AwardsBest Actor: Terrence Howard (Winner)Best Supporting Actress: Taraji P. Henson (Winner)Best Original Soundtrack: (Winner)Best Film: (Nominated)Best Supporting Actor: Anthony Anderson (Nominated)Best Ensemble: NominatedBroadcast Film Critics Association AwardsBest Actor: Terrence Howard (Nominated)Best Song: Terrence Howard for "Hustle & Flow" (Winner)Chicago Film CriticsBest Actor: Terrence Howard (Nominated)Florida Film CriticsBreakout Award: Terrence Howard (Winner) also honored for Crash and Get Rich or Die Tryin'Golden GlobesBest Actor in a Drama Motion Picture: Terrence Howard (Nominated)Gotham AwardsBreakthrough Actor: Terrence Howard (Nominated)Image AwardsOutstanding Motion Picture (Nominated)Outstanding Actor in a Motion Picture: Terrence Howard (Nominated)Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Motion Picture:Taraji P. Henson (Nominated)Elise Neal (Nominated)Outstanding Supporting Actor in a Motion Picture: Anthony Anderson (Nominated)MTV Movie AwardsBest Breakthrough Performance: Taraji P. Henson (Nominated)Best Kiss: Terrence Howard and Taraji P. Henson (Nominated)Best Performance: Terrence Howard (Nominated)Screen Actors Guild AwardsOutstanding Performance by a Cast in a Motion PictureSundance Film FestivalAudience Award, Dramatic: Craig Brewer (Winner)Excellence in Cinematography Award, Dramatic: Amelia Vincent (Winner)Teen Choice AwardsChoice Drama Movie Actor: Terrence Howard (Nominated)Soundtrack [ edit ] The soundtrack was released on July 12, 2005 by Grand Hustle and Atlantic Records. The album centers on Southern hip hop.
    • See also [ edit ] List of hood filmsReferences [ edit ] External links [ edit ] Official website Hustle & Flow on IMDbHustle & Flow at Box Office MojoHustle & Flow at Rotten TomatoesHustle & Flow at MetacriticSundance Films Honored
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    • Radric Delantic Davis (born February 12, 1980),[2][3] known professionally as Gucci Mane, is an American rapper. He helped pioneer the hip hop subgenre of trap music alongside fellow Atlanta-based rappers T.I. and Young Jeezy, particularly in the 2000s and 2010s.[4] In 2005, Gucci Mane debuted with Trap House, followed by his second album, Hard to Kill in 2006. His third and fourth albums, Trap-A-Thon and Back to the Trap House, were released in 2007.
    • Following a string of critically and commercially successful mixtape releases in 2009, Gucci Mane released his sixth studio album, The State vs. Radric Davis, his first gold-certified album. Following time spent in prison between 2014 and 2016, he re-emerged with several new retail projects, including Everybody Looking (2016), which was released to critical praise. His 2016 collaboration with Rae Sremmurd, titled "Black Beatles", provided Gucci Mane with his first number-one single on the US Billboard Hot 100 chart. He has since released numerous albums; his latest one, Woptober II, was released on October 18, 2019.[5]
    • Gucci Mane has released 13 studio albums and over 71 mixtapes throughout his career. In 2007, he founded his own label, 1017 Records. He has worked with artists such as Drake, Lil Wayne, Chris Brown, Selena Gomez, Mariah Carey and Marilyn Manson. His prolific mixtape releases and long-standing presence as a trap music innovator in the Atlanta music scene has established him as a major influence on younger Atlanta rappers like Young Thug, Migos, Rich Homie Quan, 21 Savage and Lil Yachty, and he has been called an "avatar of East Atlanta," and "the most influential underground rapper of the past decade".[6][7]
    • Early life Growing up: 1980''1993 Radric Delantic Davis was born on February 12, 1980, in Bessemer, Alabama, to former U.S serviceman and power plant worker Ralph Everett Dudley (born August 23, 1955),[8] and social worker and teacher Vicky Jean Davis (born 1955).[9] Davis' family had a strong military background. His paternal grandfather, James Dudley, Sr., served in the military for twelve years, including during World War II, as a chef,[10] and his maternal grandfather, Walter Lee Davis, served in the Pacific during World War II and on the USS South Dakota.[9] Davis' father also served in the military, being stationed in Korea for two years.[9]
    • Davis' parents met in 1978; Davis' mother had a son from another relationship, Victor Davis. When Davis was born, his father was on the run from the police for dealing crack cocaine and heroin,[11] and had fled to Detroit, Michigan.[12] Davis' father was not present to sign the birth certificate, and Davis took his mother's last name.[13]
    • Growing up, Davis was raised by his paternal grandmother while his mother attended college to get her degree.[14] Davis' mother was a teacher who taught him to read at a young age, and spent most of her time teaching him scriptures from the Bible.[15] Davis' first school was Jonesboro Elementary, where he attended kindergarten and the first several grades of elementary school.[11] His older half-brother Victor introduced Davis to hip hop when Davis was six years old by bringing Davis to a Run-DMC, Beastie Boys and LL Cool J concert.[16] Before moving to Atlanta with his mother, Davis had a distant relationship with his father, who would visit at irregular intervals;[17] the visits stopped when Davis' father had two children with another woman and began to prioritize his children in Atlanta over Davis.[18]
    • Davis moved with his single mother to Atlanta in 1989 when he was nine years old due to family problems in Bessemer. Davis' mother had a boyfriend in Atlanta and planned to move in with him, but she decided otherwise at the last minute. They later moved in with someone Davis' mother met in church.[19] Davis' family was kicked out of the house and did not have a stable living environment until his father set them up in a Knights Inn.[18] Davis grew up in an area which was high in crime.[20]
    • Davis' mother moved Davis and Victor to East Atlanta and Davis attended Cedar Grove Elementary School.[15] He was generally good in school and considered himself athletic although he did not participate in school sports.[11] Davis dealt drugs, mainly selling cannabis with his older brother. Davis sold cannabis on his own and ended up using his Christmas money to acquire crack cocaine while in the eighth grade, starting his career as a drug dealer.[21]
    • Time as a drug dealer: 1993''2001 By the time Davis began taking his side hobby as a drug dealer as a career, he was a freshman at Ronald E. McNair High School, where he got good grades and was considered popular among his peers.[22] Davis never actually took drugs for the first few years that he was dealing drugs, though his first experience was smoking cannabis with a girl he had a crush on. He entered a friends-with-benefits arrangement with the girl with whom he regularly smoked cannabis, leading to a slight psychological addiction.[23]
    • Even though Davis had been selling drugs for nearly two years by 1995, he had never encountered a violent situation. When he was fifteen, Davis was riding his push bicycle when a man stopped him and pointed a Desert Eagle at his head. Davis was robbed of all valuable items following the encounter[24] and began to carry a .380 caliber handgun.[25] Davis had numerous other life-threatening situations, including a feud with a local street gang who titled themselves "the East Shoals Boys" in 1997. The feud resulted in Davis' friend Javon being beaten close to death[26] and adult men walking into McNair High School looking for Davis.[27] The feud resolved itself when Davis and several other friends got into a fistfight with members of the East Shoals Boys, who have since then left Davis alone.[28]
    • Davis graduated from McNair High School in 1998 with a 3.0 GPA and a HOPE Scholarship to Georgia Perimeter College. He took a computer programming course, though he rarely attended and was kicked out in 2001[29] after being caught with possession of crack cocaine by an undercover police officer.[30] Davis was sentenced to 90 days in a county jail and then probation.[30]
    • Pursuing music: 2001''2005 Davis enjoyed writing poetry as a child, and began rapping at the age of 14.[2] Following his first arrest, Davis began to take music seriously and released La Flare on Str8 Drop Records. It was pressed onto about 1000 CDs and distributed throughout East Atlanta.[31] Following the release of La Flare, and being inspired by Master P, Davis decided he wanted to start a music label.[32] Davis began to manage rapper Lil Buddy in 2001.[33] In 2002, Davis linked up with SYS Records as a member of the Sign Yourself Click. Davis also linked up with producer Zaytoven and made his own label, LaFlare Entertainment.[34]
    • After heading to New York in search of a distribution deal and returning home empty, he was introduced to Big Cat, the head of Big Cat Records. Ultimately deciding to form an alliance with the label that brought Khia to prominence, Davis released the song "Black Tee", a response to Dem Franchize Boyz hit record, "White Tee", as well as a collaboration with fellow rising local rapper Young Jeezy with "So Icy".[34] Securing a distribution deal with Tommy Boy Records, Davis continued to work the underground while preparing for the release of his debut album.
    • Career 2005''2006: Trap House and Hard to Kill In 2005, Davis released his independent debut album entitled Trap House, which featured the single "Icy" with Young Jeezy. Disputes over the rights to this single caused a rift between the two artists. Trap House was considered a success for an independent artist. The album crept into the Top 20 of the Billboard R&B/Hip-Hop Albums charts and landed at the top spot on the Billboard Heatseekers Album chart. Guest appearances include Bun B, Killer Mike, Lil Scrappy, Jody Breeze and Khujo of Goodie Mobb. Hard to Kill followed in 2006. It included the hit single "Freaky Gurl", which peaked at number 12 on the Hot Rap Tracks, number 19 on the Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs, and at number 62 on the Billboard Hot 100. He also shot videos for the tracks "Street Nigazzz"[35] and "Pillz".[36]
    • 2007''2010: Mixtapes, Back to the Trap House, The State vs. Radric Davis The official remix of "Freaky Gurl" featuring Ludacris and Lil' Kim was included on his 2007 commercial debut album, Back to the Trap House. Gucci Mane appeared on OJ da Juiceman's "Make Tha Trap Say Aye" and began working on various mixtapes.[37] Following the success of his mixtapes Bird Money and Writing on the Wall, Gucci Mane signed to Warner Bros. Records in May 2009.[38]
    • He appeared on remixes of the songs "Boom Boom Pow" by The Black Eyed Peas, "Obsessed" by Mariah Carey and "5 Star Chick" by Yo Gotti and made a guest appearance on Mario's "Break Up". He made a total of 17 guest appearances in 2009. Gucci Mane's second studio album, The State vs. Radric Davis, was released by Warner Bros. Records on December 8, 2009. Its first single, "Wasted" featuring Plies, was originally from Gucci Mane's 2009 mixtape Guccimania.[39] It peaked at number 36 on the Hot 100, number 3 on the Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs, and number 3 on the Rap Songs, making it Gucci Mane's most successful single to date. The second single was "Spotlight" featuring Usher. The third single was "Lemonade". The fourth single was "Bingo", featuring Waka Flocka Flame and Soulja Boy. On October 2, 2009, Gucci Mane was listed at number 6 on MTV's annual Hottest MC in the Game list.[40]
    • 2010''2012: The Appeal: Georgia's Most Wanted and other projects After being released from jail,[clarification needed ] Gucci Mane stated that he would start or change the label name from So Icey Entertainment to 1017 Brick Squad Records. The Appeal: Georgia's Most Wanted, was released on September 28, 2010.[41] The first single from this release was "Gucci Time",[42] produced by and featuring Swizz Beatz. It premiered on Gucci Mane's MySpace page on August 6[43] and was released to US urban radio stations on August 24, 2010.[44]
    • On March 18, 2011, Gucci Mane released his 10th EP, The Return of Mr. Zone 6, mostly produced by Drumma Boy.[45] It debuted at #18 on the Billboard 200, and is his highest charting EP. The album also debuted at #2 on the Rap albums chart and #8 on the R&B/Hip-Hop Albums chart. He also released a collaboration album with Waka Flocka Flame named Ferrari Boyz on August 5, Gucci Mane's first collaboration album.[46] Its first single was "She Be Puttin On" featuring Brick Squad labelmate Slim Dunkin. Ferrari Boyz debuted at #21 on the Billboard 200. Gucci Mane released another collaboration album, this time with rapper V-Nasty, called BAYTL, on December 13.[47] The album's first single was "Whip Appeal" featuring P2theLA.[48]
    • Gucci Mane performing on August 29, 2010
    • Three days after BAYTL ' s release, while traveling to the video shoot of "Push Ups", Slim Dunkin, who was featured on the song, was shot and killed after an argument at an Atlanta recording studio.[49] On February 5, 2012, Gucci Mane released his Trap Back mixtape. It features guest appearances from Yo Gotti, Rocko, Waka Flocka Flame, Jadakiss, 2 Chainz, and Future, the latter three appearing on the third studio album of Jeezy (who had removed the "Young" from his name) Thug Motivation 103: Hustlerz Ambition. The first single was the mixtape's title track.[50] Music videos were filmed for the songs "Quiet", "Face Card", "In Love With a White Girl" featuring Yo Gotti, "Chicken Room" featuring Rocko, the title track, and "Sometimes" featuring Future.[51][52][53][54][55][56] Trap Back was met with positive reviews, scoring a 7.8 from Pitchfork Media, a 7.5 from AllHipHop, and an "L" from XXL.[57][58][59]
    • On May 25, 2012, Gucci Mane released another mixtape, I'm Up. Music videos were released for the songs "Supa Cocky", "Kansas" featuring Jim Jones, "Wish You Would" featuring Verse Simmonds, and "Too Damn Sexy" featuring Jeremih. Gucci Mane released yet another mixtape, Trap God, on October 17, 2012. The mixtape included features from Brick Squad affiliate Waka Flocka Flame and frequent collaborators Rick Ross, Future, Meek Mill and Birdman, among others. On September 13, 2012, he appeared on Waka Flocka Flame's mixtape Salute Me Or Shoot Me 4 on two tracks.
    • 2013: Trap House III and The State vs. Radric Davis II: The Caged Bird Sings On February 12, 2013, Gucci Mane released his mixtape Trap God 2. By the end of March, Gucci Mane released three more mixtapes '' Free Bricks 2 with Young Scooter, Trap Back 2 and EastAtlantaMemphis with Young Dolph. Gucci Mane announced in February 2013 that he was releasing a new studio album entitled Trap House III, the third installment of his Trap House series.[60] It was released on May 21, 2013. On May 31, 2013, Gucci Mane also announced he was releasing a new album entitled Mr. GuWop later that year, featuring appearances by personal friend and industrial rock performer Marilyn Manson, who also helped him to give shape to the album's sound and musical direction.[61] On June 5, 2013, Gucci Mane announced that 1017 Brick Squad would release their first group compilation album, Big Money Talk, in 2013.[62]
    • On September 7, 2013, various members of 1017 Brick Squad and Brick Squad Monopoly traded shots back and forth on Twitter, including Gucci Mane, Waka Flocka Flame, Frenchie, Wooh Da Kid, and OJ da Juiceman. Gucci Mane would go on to say "fuck brick squad" and accuse his former manager, Waka Flocka Flame's mother Debra Antney, of stealing money from OJ da Juiceman and French Montana. Frenchie also accused Gucci Mane of paying for Young Vito's lawyer, the accused murderer of former 1017 Brick Squad artist Slim Dunkin, which Gucci Mane denied. Frenchie would release a diss record towards Gucci Mane the following day.[63] During the following days, it was revealed that OJ da Juiceman, Young Dolph, Frenchie and Wooh da Kid were no longer, or in some cases had never been, signed to 1017 Brick Squad Records.[citation needed ][64] It was also revealed that 1017 Brick Squad had lost their distribution deal with Atlantic Records, and the label might be disbanded.[65][66]
    • On September 9, 2013, Gucci Mane advertised on Twitter that he sold the recording contracts of what he considered his main artists: Waka Flocka Flame, Young Scooter, and Young Thug.[66] During his Twitter tirade he dissed many rappers and producers such as Nicki Minaj, Plies, Drake, Rocko, Polow da Don, 2 Chainz, Rick Ross, Jeezy, T.I., Yo Gotti, Frenchie, 808 Mafia, Waka Flocka Flame and Tyga among others.[67] The following day he released a new single, "Stealing", featuring OJ da Juiceman, produced by Zaytoven. On the song he disses T.I., Jeezy, and Yo Gotti. That night he also released a new mixtape Diary of a Trap God.[68] Following the mixtape's release his barrage of tweets stopped, and he claimed his Twitter account was hacked by his former manager Coach K for $5,000.[69] Subsequently, he deleted all the controversial tweets and hours later deleted his Twitter account.[70]
    • On September 22, 2013, Gucci Mane admitted to making the tweets, and claimed he was binging on codeine and promethazine during the time. He went on to apologize to the fans, his family, and the music industry members he offended. Gucci Mane also said that he would be going to rehab while incarcerated on his gun charge.[71] Plans to release his album Mr. GuWop were scrapped indefinitely, and Gucci Mane would go on to release his tenth studio album, The State vs. Radric Davis II: The Caged Bird Sings, on Christmas Day 2013.
    • 2014''2016: Incarceration; multiple project releases from prison Gucci Mane released his first music of 2014 on April 20, a free collaborative mixtape with Young Thug called Young Thugga Mane La Flare. He later released another collaborative project with 1017 BrickSquad artists, Brick Factory Vol. 1, on May 24. Then, he released three digital albums on the same day, The Purple Album (with Young Thug), The Green Album (with Migos) and The White Album (with Peewee Longway), collectively known as World War 3D. His eighth digital album, Trap House 4, was released on July 4, 2014. The album features guest appearances from Chief Keef, Young Scooter, K Camp and Fredo Santana.[72]
    • On July 17, 2014, he released a collaborative album with Young Dolph and PeeWee Longway (labeled as Felix Brothers) called Felix Brothers. On July 22, 2014, Gucci Mane announced that he would release a new album, titled The Oddfather, on the day he would go back to court, July 28, 2014.[73] On August 15, 2014, Gucci Mane released his tenth digital album, Gucci Vs Guwop.[74] Gucci Mane released the follow-up digital album to the mixtape Brick Factory Vol. 1, Brick Factory Vol. 2,[75] on September 3. On September 13, Gucci Mane released a free mixtape called The Return of Mr. Perfect, the follow-up to his mixtape Mr. Perfect. Following his September releases he started promoting Trap God 3, which was released on October 17, 2014,[76] and became the highest charting release during his prison sentence. On October 31, 2014, Gucci Mane and Chief Keef released a collaborative mixtape titled Big Gucci Sosa.[77]
    • On Christmas Day, Gucci Mane released his 13th mixtape, East Atlanta Santa, featuring artists such as Raury, Shawty Lo and OJ da Juiceman. He capped off the year by teaming up with producer Honorable C Note for a Christmas mixtape release titled C-Note Vs. Gucci, a compilation of old collaborations between the two and new records.[78][79] In total, he released over twelve projects in 2014 and made over $1,300,000 from prison.[80]
    • Gucci Mane released his 14th mixtape on January 3, 2015, 1017 Mafia: Incarcerated.[81] On his birthday, February 12, 2015, he released the third installment of his Brick Factory series, Brick Factory 3.[82] Soon after, on February 18, 2015, Gucci Mane released a surprise EP titled Views From Zone 6. The title is a play on words on the upcoming album from Drake Views From The 6.[83] Gucci Mane released a triple digital album for the third time on March 20, 2015: Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner. It includes guest features from iLoveMakonnen, Waka Flocka Flame, Chief Keef, Rich The Kid, Andy Milonakis and others. Four days later, Gucci Mane released a follow-up EP entitled Dessert, containing production from Mike Will Made It and Honorable C-Note.[84]
    • On April 6, 2015, Gucci Mane released the final installment of his Trap House series, Trap House 5 (The Last Chapter), the first installment in the series to be released as a mixtape. Production was handled by Mike Will Made It, Zaytoven and Honorable C-Note, and it had guest features from Young Thug, Peewee Longway and Chief Keef.[85] On May 20, 2015, La Flare released his tenth project of the year, King Gucci, with appearances from Fetty Wap, Migos, PeeWee Longway and RiFF RAFF and production from Chief Keef, TM88, Metro Boomin, and Zaytoven.[86][87] On December 25, 2015, Gucci Mane released a mixtape titled East Atlanta Santa 2.[88]
    • On April 26, 2016, Gucci Mane released a 36-track compilation album on iTunes consisting of his Breakfast, Lunch, Dinner, and Dessert projects called Meal Ticket.[89]
    • 2016''2018: Release, Everybody Looking, The Return of East Atlanta Santa, Mr. Davis & Evil Genius On May 26, 2016, Gucci Mane was released from prison five months early: it was ruled that the five months he had spent in prison waiting for his trial had not yet been deducted from his sentence when they should have been. The next day, Gucci Mane released the first single under his new deal with Atlantic Records, "First Day Out Tha Feds".[90][91][92] On June 3, 2016, Gucci Mane appeared on "Champions", the first single off of GOOD Music's Cruel Winter album.[93] On June 17, 2016, Gucci Mane made his first performance since being released from prison at the Elan Mansion, an Atlanta club.[94] On June 25, 2016, he announced his ninth studio album and first since his release from prison, Everybody Looking, which was released on July 22, 2016.[95] One day later he headlined the "Gucci & Friends" concert at the Fox Theatre in Atlanta; the show featured Fetty Wap, 2 Chainz, Future and Drake.[96]
    • Following his release from prison, Gucci Mane became the subject of an internet conspiracy theory that stated he was a clone of the "real" Gucci Mane, citing the rapper's new slim physique, a slight change in his voice and his shift towards a healthier lifestyle as supposed proof. Gucci Mane denied that he was a clone and poked fun at the theory in an Instagram post.[97]
    • In September 2016, Gucci Mane collaborated with Rae Sremmurd on the single "Black Beatles", which in November 2016 reached number one on the Billboard Hot 100, Gucci Mane's first number-one single as a featured artist.[98] The song was described by Billboard as the "unexpected commercial high point for Gucci"[99] as it topped the Billboard Hot 100 for 7 non-consecutive weeks between November 2016 and January 2017.
    • He released Woptober on October 14, 2016, and released a side project called Free Bricks 2 with Future.[100]
    • On November 23, 2016, Gucci Mane and Lil Uzi Vert released a collaborative 7-track EP, ''1017 vs. The World''.
    • His tenth studio album, "The Return of East Atlanta Santa", was released on December 16, 2016.[101]
    • On May 26, 2017, Gucci Mane released Droptopwop, a collaborative mixtape with Metro Boomin. The 10-track mixtape features Rick Ross, Offset of Migos, Young Dolph and 2 Chainz.[102][103]
    • In August 2017, Gucci Mane announced his eleventh studio album, Mr. Davis.[104] The album was released on October 13, 2017.[105] It includes "I Get the Bag" featuring Migos, which peaked at number 11 on the Billboard Hot 100, his most successful single as a solo artist to date.[106]
    • Two months later, Gucci Mane released his twelfth studio album El Gato: The Human Glacier, produced entirely by Southside. A week after its release, in similar fashion to the announcements of previous projects, Gucci Mane announced his thirteenth album, Evil Genius, released on December 7, 2018.[107][108][109]
    • 2019''present: East Atlanta Santa, So Icy Summer and So Icy Gang Vol. 1 On July 3, 2020, Gucci Mane released the 24-track So Icy Summer compilation album, marking his first project of 2020, following East Atlanta Santa 3 in 2019.[110] On July 30, he collaborated with rapper Mulatto for the single "Muwop", a play on his moniker "Guwop".[111]
    • On October 16, 2020, a day before 10/17, Gucci Mane released another compilation album with his label 1017 Records, titled So Icy Gang Vol. 1, and credited as Gucci Mane & The New 1017, indicating that new members of the label are featured.[112]
    • Other ventures Acting career Gucci Mane made his acting debut in the 2012 film Birds of a Feather, co-starring with Producer Zaytoven. The same year, he was featured in Spring Breakers which also featured James Franco, Selena Gomez, Vanessa Hudgens, Ashley Benson and Rachel Korine.[113]
    • Delantic Clothing In May 2016, Gucci Mane began teasing images of his upcoming clothing line called Delantic, which will feature a range of apparel, from T-shirts and hoodies to underwear.[114]
    • Autobiography In September 2017, Davis published his autobiography, The Autobiography of Gucci Mane.[115][116][117] The book was written during Davis's time in prison and was authored with Neil Martinez-Belkin, a former XXL Magazine editor.[118] In the weeks before the publication, Davis released a trailer for the book consisting of a short montage directed by videographer Cam Kirk.[119] The Autobiography of Gucci Mane went on to become a New York Times bestseller.[120][121][122] The New Yorker said the book "reads like a set of liner notes that try to impose a central order on his life story."[123]
    • Gucci Collaboration In 2019 Davis started working with Italian fashion house Gucci.[124] The brand had previously not associated itself with the rapper due to his criminal record and image. After a few years of personal development that included Davis getting married and improving his fitness[125] Gucci announced he would be the face of their Gucci Cruise 2020 Campaign.[126][127]
    • Personal life Davis married Keyshia Ka'oir in Miami on October 17, 2017.[128][129] She is the founder and owner of Ka'oir Cosmetics and Ka'oir Fitness. The wedding was paid for by BET which produced an accompanying 10-segment TV series, The Mane Event, depicting wedding preparations and the ceremony.[130] Davis had proposed to Ka'oir after performing at an Atlanta Hawks basketball game.[131]
    • Davis disclosed in his autobiography that he has a son born in 2007 whom he had not known about until the child was 10 months old.[132]
    • Legal issues 2001''2008 In April 2001, Davis was arrested on cocaine charges and sentenced to 90 days in county jail.[133]
    • On May 10, 2005, Davis was attacked by a group of men at a house in Decatur, Georgia. Davis and his companions shot at the group, killing one. The corpse of that attacker, Pookie Loc, was found later behind a nearby middle school. Davis turned himself in to police investigators on May 19, 2005, and was subsequently charged with murder. Davis claimed that the shots fired by him and his party were in self-defense.[133] The DeKalb County district attorney's office dropped the murder charge in January 2006 due to insufficient evidence. The previous October, in an unrelated matter, Davis had pleaded no contest to a charge of aggravated assault for assaulting a nightclub promoter the previous June; at the time the murder charge was dropped, he was serving a six-month county jail sentence for this.[134] Davis was released from jail in late January 2006.[2]
    • In September 2008, Davis was arrested for a probation violation for completing only 25 out of 600 community service hours following his 2005 arrest for aggravated assault. He was sentenced to a year in the county jail but was released after six months.[135] He was incarcerated in the Fulton County jail for probation violation[136] and released on May 12, 2010.[137]
    • 2010''2011 2011 mugshot of Gucci Mane
    • On November 2, 2010, Gucci Mane was arrested for driving on the wrong side of the road, running a red light or stop sign, damage to government property, obstruction, no license, no proof of insurance and other traffic charges. He was taken to Grady Memorial Hospital.[138]
    • On January 4, 2011, a judge in the Superior Court of Georgia's Fulton County ordered Davis to a psychiatric hospital, according to court documents. The documents reveal that his lawyers filed a Special Plea of Mental Incompetency on December 27, arguing that he was unable "to go forward and/or intelligently participate in the probation revocation hearing."[139]
    • Davis was arrested twice in April 2011 in Dekalb County, on April 13 on one charge of battery,[140] and on April 20 on two charges of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.[141]
    • On September 13, 2011, Davis was given a six-month county jail sentence after pleading guilty to two counts of battery, two counts of reckless conduct and one count of disorderly conduct.[142] He was released on December 11, 2011.[143]
    • 2013''2014 On March 22, 2013, the Atlanta Police Department issued a warrant for the arrest of Davis after he allegedly attacked a fan who was trying to take a photo with him. A soldier, "James," claimed that Gucci Mane hit him with a bottle in the head while he was talking to a security guard about getting a photo with the rapper. He was treated at Grady Memorial Hospital and received 10 stitches.[144] Four days later, a second man going by the initials T.J. claimed Gucci Mane punched him in the face when T. J. tried to shake his hand after a concert performance at Club Onyx in Philadelphia.[145] In the early morning of March 27, Davis turned himself in on the aggravated assault charges. He was denied bond and was incarcerated at Fulton County Jail. His lawyer said that witnesses claim Gucci Mane had nothing to do with the assault. He appeared in court on April 10, 2013, and was indicted on one count of aggravated assault.[146][147][148] Two days later he posted $75,000 bail, and the following day, April 14, he was arrested again for a parole violation.[149] He was released three weeks later, on May 2, 2013.[150]
    • On September 13, 2013, Gucci Mane was hanging out with a friend and was behaving "erratically." The friend decided to call the police to help him out. When the police arrived, Gucci Mane began cursing and threatening them. Authorities took him into custody at 12:05 a.m., and found marijuana and a handgun on him. He was booked on charges of carrying a concealed weapon, possession of marijuana, and disorderly conduct. He was reportedly hospitalized following the arrest.[151] On September 30, 2013, it was revealed that Gucci Mane would serve 183 days in jail on charges of firearm possession by a convicted felon, disorderly conduct, carrying a concealed weapon, and marijuana possession, among others.[152]
    • On December 3, 2013, Gucci Mane was charged in federal court with two counts of possessing a firearm as a felon. According to the federal prosecutor, Gucci Mane was in possession of two different loaded guns between September 12 and 14, 2013, and could be sentenced to up to 20 years in prison.[153]
    • On May 13, 2014, Gucci Mane pleaded guilty to possession of a firearm by a convicted felon. He agreed to a plea deal that would result in him being in prison until late 2016.[154] According to the Federal Bureau of Prisons, his release date would be September 20, 2016.[155] He served his sentence in the United States Penitentiary in Terre Haute, Indiana.[156][157] On May 26, 2016, Gucci Mane was released from prison ahead of his scheduled September date; this was due to Gucci Mane not initially being credited for the time he served while waiting for his court date.[158]
    • Controversies Young Jeezy In May 2005, Gucci Mane released his first single "Icy", which featured Young Jeezy, at the time an upcoming artist as well. Tensions grew when "Icy" was believed to be put on Young Jeezy's debut album Let's Get It: Thug Motivation 101, although it never was. It was put on Gucci Mane's debut album Trap House. Young Jeezy claimed he was never paid his royalties for the song.[159] On May 9, 2005, Young Jeezy released the controversial song "Stay Strapped," placing a $10,000 bounty on Gucci Mane's chain. Gucci Mane responded by stating, "That nigga Young Jeezy, man. That nigga fake."[160][161]
    • On May 19, 2005, tensions were soaring between Gucci Mane and Young Jeezy when four men set up Gucci Mane at a stripper's home and attempted to rob him. Gucci Mane grabbed his pistol and shot one of the assailants. The assailant, Pookie Loc, a CTE affiliate of Young Jeezy, was later found buried behind Columbia Middle School in Decatur, Georgia. An official warrant was put out for Gucci Mane's arrest. Days later he turned himself in to police after hearing about the warrant.[162]
    • During a phone conversation, Gucci Mane stated, "I just want to let everyone know I'm not a murderer. I was upset. I was scared a little bit, but I had to do what I had to do. You gotta be a man about it. I'm not a bad person. I have remorse for everything that happened." Young Jeezy responded to Gucci Mane and the allegations of hiring Pookie Loc to rob Gucci Mane by saying that Gucci Mane was "trying to turn a bad situation into good publicity and sell his record."[163]
    • On January 17, 2006, prosecutors dropped the murder charge against Gucci Mane as he maintained he was acting out of self-defense.[164] On June 15, 2006, after tensions had cooled, Gucci Mane came at Young Jeezy on the song "745" rapping, "Do I smell pussy? Nah, that's Jeezy. You ain't a snowman, you more like a snowflake, cupcake, corn flake. Nigga, you too fake."[165]
    • On June 15, 2009, Young Jeezy came at Gucci Mane on the song "24, 23," rapping, "I'm on some Louie shit today, fuck some Gucci, man. These niggas still on my dick, they like some groupies, man. Can't keep they lips closed, they worse than 'Coochies Mane'."[166] In light of the renewed tensions with the Crip-affiliated Young Jeezy, Gucci Mane started associating himself with the Bloods street gang, known rivals of the Crips, with Gucci Mane going on to use Blood imagery in his music videos as well as associating himself with known Blood figures in hip-hop, such as The Game.[167][168] On December 4, 2009, during a radio interview with DJ Drama and Jeezy, Gucci Mane called in to finally announce a truce between the two, saying, "I'd just like to say, it's way bigger than all of us. I feel like the way the city's been supporting all three of us, they deserve this. It's about that time, man. We're getting older, growing, so let's do it for the city."[169]
    • On March 24, 2010, members of Gucci Mane's crew 1017 Brick Squad and members of Jeezy's crew Corporate Thugz got into an altercation outside an Atlanta clothing store. Neither Gucci Mane nor Jeezy were present during the altercation.[170] On December 2, 2011, Jeezy explained how the beef originated, stating that Gucci Mane got mad at him because he would not perform "Icy" together; Jeezy said he could not perform the song because he was going through major throat surgery.[171]
    • On October 10, 2012, during a radio interview, Gucci Mane announced he had no more love for Jeezy due to his controversial fight with rapper Rick Ross. During a radio interview, Jeezy responded by stating, "Man everybody knows that boy is retarded. Ain't nobody taking him seriously. He has an ice cream cone on his face, let's be for real. Given that said, I'm not going back, I'm going forward."[172][173] On October 15, 2012, Gucci Mane came at Jeezy and other artists on the song "Truth" by rapping, "A ten thousand dollar bounty put on my neck. I hope you didn't pay them cause they didn't have no success" and, "Go dig your partner up, nigga, bet he can't say shit," referring to Pookie Loc.[174]
    • Over 15 years after their feud had begun, Jeezy and Gucci Mane both appeared in a Verzuz Battle on November 19, 2020. Despite a tense atmosphere, the battle ended with the two performing "Icy" together for the first time since 2005, followed Gucci Mane telling Jeezy "it's all love" and that he "respected him" for proposing the idea.[175]
    • Keyshia Cole On March 16, 2012, R&B singer Keyshia Cole came at Gucci Mane for the controversial song "Truth" on which he had rapped, "I did a song with Keyshia Cole and I know you still miss her. But Puff was fucking her while you was falling in love wit her," implying that, during the time of her rumored relationship with Young Jeezy, Cole was cheating on him with her "Last Night" collaborator P. Diddy. Cole stated on the radio, "Putting all ya trust in some of these 'Hood Rappers'... How you gonna be a G, and you spreading lies, to sell mix tapes! Where ya talent at. Dude ain't have to lie though! Could've kept me out of it."[176]
    • Yung Joc Gucci Mane attracted controversy when his song "Fuck The World" had a controversial line that was directed to fellow Atlanta rapper Yung Joc, when he rapped "I got all eyes on me like Pac did, but I ain't tryin' to go broke like Joc did." During a radio conversation, Joc reacted to the song by stating "Gucci is a master at getting his name in other people's mouths, I ain't trippin', I know what my financial situation is."[177]
    • Waka Flocka Flame On March 15, 2013, Gucci Mane announced that frequent collaborator and close friend Waka Flocka Flame was "dropped" from 1017 Brick Squad Records. The two rappers proceeded to throw insults back and forth on Twitter.[178] [179] On March 27, 2013, during an MTV Jams interview with Sway, Waka Flocka Flame explained that he would never do music nor business with Gucci Mane ever again. Neither of the rappers have explained where the controversy originated from. Waka Flocka Flame has stated, "I guess we both be at the finish line we just going our own routes. That's all I can say. What's the reason? Sometimes it's none of your fuckin' business what's the reason. Just understand two men went they own ways but it's no problem."[180]
    • On November 19, 2013, it was revealed that Gucci Mane had filed a lawsuit against Waka Flocka Flame, Waka Flocka Flame's mother Debra Antney, OJ da Juiceman, rapper Khia Stone and producer Zaytoven. The lawsuit accuses the parties of fraud, racketeering, and breach of contract. According to Gucci Mane, Antney took control of 1017 Brick Squad Records, LLC., without permission, and used it to create three separate offshoot labels. "Gucci is also accusing the parties in the lawsuit of withholding royalties and inflating the cost of label expenditures" and claimed that Antney seized his assets and stole a ring and a necklace.[181] In his lawsuit, Gucci Mane also says that Antney took more than the typical 20% management fee. Gucci Mane also alleged that Antney's actions led to his having money and tax problems.[182]
    • In early 2017, issues between the two resurfaced when Waka Flocka Flame released the song "Was My Dawg", which many believed referred to Gucci Mane.[183]
    • Twitter In September 2013, Gucci Mane sent a series of derogatory tweets to various figures in the hip-hop industry. In the tweets he claimed to have sexual relations with rappers' girlfriends. A couple of days later, Gucci Mane stated that his Twitter account had been hacked.[184] However, he later admitted in his autobiography that he did author the tweets.[185]
    • Discography Studio albums
    • Trap House (2005)Hard to Kill (2006)Trap-A-Thon (2007)Back to the Trap House (2007)Murder Was the Case (2009)The State vs. Radric Davis (2009)The Appeal: Georgia's Most Wanted (2010)The Return of Mr. Zone 6 (2011)Everybody Looking (2016)The Return of East Atlanta Santa (2016)Mr. Davis (2017)El Gato: The Human Glacier (2017)Evil Genius (2018)Delusions of Grandeur (2019)Woptober II (2019)[186]East Atlanta Santa 3 (2019)So Icy Summer (2020)Collaborative albums
    • Ferrari Boyz (2011) (with Waka Flocka Flame)BAYTL (2011) (with V-Nasty)DropTopWop (2017) (with Metro Boomin)Filmography YearFilmRoleNotes2007No Pad No PencilHimselfGucci Mane '' Glockumentary DVD[187]2008Gucci Mane '' Who Framed Radric Davis (DVD) Hood Affairs '' Trap-A-Holic: (Gucci Mane Edition)[188]2009Hood Affairs '' Gucci Mane '' Trap-A-Holic 2 DVD[189]The Come Up DVD 20 (Gucci Mane Edition)Money Mafia: Gucci Mane (Street Classic Edition)[190]2010Hood Affairs: Gucci Mane '' 1017 Brick Squad aka Trap-A-Holic 3 DVD[191]The Raw Report Presents: Gucci Mane "King of Diamonds DVD"[192]Gucci Mane x Raw Report '' Documentary Gucci Gone Bonkers DVD[193]Gucci 3D DVD2011Gucci Mane In Wonderland[194]2012My Come UpBirds of a Feather[195]Spring BreakersArchie "Big Arch"2013Gucci Mane '' The Lost Footage[196]Himself2015The SpotAwards and nominations BET Awards BET Hip Hop Awards Grammy Awards MTV Video Music Awards References ^ "Gucci Mane - Paradigm Talent Agency". www.paradigmagency.com. 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    • Gang War: Bangin' In Little RockDVD cover
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    • CountryUnited StatesLanguageEnglishGang War: Bangin' in Little Rock often referred to as Gang Bangin' in Little Rock is a 1994 HBO documentary about street gangs in Little Rock, Arkansas.[1] It was released as part of the series America Undercover.
    • Synopsis [ edit ] The documentary painted a hopeless and pessimistic view of the violence in the city. At the time Little Rock was one of the most dangerous cities in the country. Sitting at the intersection of two major interstates from Los Angeles and New York, Little Rock had become a haven for drug trafficking. There were prominent gang presences of Bloods, Crips and Hoover's Folk Nation.
    • Post release [ edit ] The documentary brought much attention to the crime problems in Little Rock. Following documentary, the Little Rock Police force was quadrupled. As a result, the street gang problem was nearly eradicated.
    • Steve Nawojczyk was the county coroner during the Gang War years, and was featured in the documentary. He continues to work in the intervention and prevention of youth gangs. While Gang War: Bangin' in Little Rock followed Nawojczyk while he did his grim work as the county's chief coroner, it also showed his attempts at reducing the record-high homicide rate in Arkansas' capital city.
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  • What is Trap Music and Where Did It Come From? | The Music Origins Project
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    • Trap music is a music genre that originated in the early 1990s in the Southern United States. It is typified by its aggressive lyrical content and sound, where the instrumentals are propelled by 808 kick drums or heavy extended sub-bass lines, double-time, triple-time and other faster time division hi-hats, layered synthesizers, and ''cinematic'' strings.
    • The term ''trap'' was literally used to refer to the place where drugs are hidden in a car, where deals are made and how it is difficult to escape the lifestyle. The term originated in Atlanta, Georgia where rappers Cool Breeze, Dungeon Family, Outkast, Goodie Mob and Ghetto Mafia were some of the first to use the term in their music. Fans and critics started to refer to rappers whose primary lyrical topic was drug dealing, as ''trap rappers.'' David Drake of Complex wrote that ''the trap in the early 2000s wasn't a genre, it was a real place'', and the term was later adopted to describe the ''music made about that place.''
    • The trap sound first emerged in the early 2000s as an enclosed scene in rough-edged neighborhoods in America's Southern region. Across Texas, Alabama, Tennessee, Virginia and of course Atlanta, Georgia where local rappers like T.I., Gucci Mane, Young Jeezy, Triple 6 Mafia and Tity Boi (now known as 2 Chainz) all started branching out from what was then the sound of the hood: Crunk.
    • Along with producers like Shawty Redd, Drumma Boy, Mannie Fresh and Mike WiLL Made It, trap brought rap music to a new sonic dimension: with dark energy, a gothic feel, street culture (guns, drug houses, strippers) and an allover gigantic sound. Trap records dominated mixtapes and local radio, and blew up in nightclubs and strip clubs across the South.
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    • In the early 1990s, rappers UGK, 8Ball & MJG, Three 6 Mafia, Cool Breeze, Kilo Ali, Master P, and Ghetto Mafia were among the first rappers to introduce trap music. In 1992, UGK's ''Pocket Full of Stones'' was one of the earliest trap records to be released from their major-label debut album Too Hard to Swallow. It was also featured in the 1993 film Menace II Society. In 1996, Master P released his single ''Mr. Ice Cream Man'' off of his fifth studio album Ice Cream Man. The lyrics covered topics about life in ''the trap'', drug dealing and the struggle for success. Local Southern rappers, such as Young Jeezy, Gucci Mane, Yo Gotti and T.I., as well as his rap group P$C, helped expand the popularity of the genre and trap records started to appear on local mixtapes and radio stations.
    • Due in part to the massive success of Outkast, Southern hip-hop gets more attention from mainstream American audience. The bounce-influenced New Orleans sound takes off with hits from the Cash Money Records crew, along with Houston's chopped-and-screwed stuff and Tennessee's Crunk music.
    • During the 2000s, trap began to emerge after the success of a number of albums and singles released at the time. In 2003, the first wave of trap music broke into mainstream with the release of T.I.'s second studio album Trap Muzik. It achieved major commercial success, selling over 2.1 million copies. The album's lead single, ''24's'', was featured on EA's popular video game Need for Speed: Underground. T.I. explained that ''It's informative for people who don't know nothing about that side of life and wonder why somebody they know that live on that side of life act the way they do or do the things they do.'' In 2005, the first wave continued with the success of Young Jeezy's Let's Get It: Thug Motivation 101. The album debuted at number two on the US Billboard 200, with 172,000 copies sold in its first week of release and was later certified platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) for shipment of over 1 million copies. The album also popularized producer Shawty Redd after creating the original signature trap sound. Some of the first wave of trap producers include DJ Toomp, Drumma Boy, Shawty Redd, Zaytoven and D. Rich.
    • In 2012, a new movement of electronic music producers and DJs emerged who began incorporating elements of trap music into their works. This helped expand its popularity among electronic music fans. A number of stylistic offshoots of trap developed, which in 2013 rose in viral popularity and made a noticeable impact on electronic dance music.
    • In the case of the 808-heavy, epic-feeling rap sound of trap music, it may seem like the genre popped up out of thin air in 2012. But its vast history spans back over a decade, coming from a very different place than its current buzzword status in electronic music.
    • Crunk and trap music travelled to hyped dancefloors in Europe within electronic music's underbelly from the very beginning, through the likes of rap-heavy DJs such as Hollertronix (Diplo and Low Bee), Hudson Mohawke, Rustie, Jackmaster, Sinden, and more recently Lunice, Jacques Greene and MPC whiz Araabmuzik. But over the last year, trap gained a much-hyped interest in the electronic music world and blogosphere. It's since evolved into a different beast, one that has a few opposed faces.
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    • When asked what is Trap music by DJ Mag, Drumma Boy, a multi-platinum Grammy-nominated producer, said:
    • ''Trap is just a culture that we created in the South,'' he tells. Growing up in Memphis and launching a production career in Atlanta as a teenager in the early 2000s, Drumma went from working with Southern heroes like Yo Gotti, Jeezy and UGK's Bun B, to working with international stars such as Busta Rhymes, Kanye West and Lil Wayne. ''New York had its sound, the West Coast had its sound, and we didn't really have anything to stand for other than gospel, R&B and blues. Coming out of my city [Memphis], the biggest music influence is blues. And back in the Marvin Gaye days, we were known for Stax and the funk. Coming out of Nashville, the biggest influence is country. As far as Alabama goes, we're a music state but we weren't known for hip-hop. So for trap to come, it was a whole new movement.''
    • As for the music itself, he continues, ''The trap just feels dirty; it's that dirty, grimey 808 snare clap. There are only eight or nine instruments that make the trap sound, and then the music comes in with this gangsta, club feel. And the music hypnotizes. Trap is a lot like trance music, but it's Southern trance music. And most trap has scary music or some type of ambience. Sometimes it makes me think of The Twilight Zone.'' He sings the eerie four-note melody. ''It makes you feel like you're in a dark dungeon, like you're in the trap itself.''
    • The evolving EDM trap has seen incorporation and stylistic influences from dubstep, in which trap has been hailed as the superseding phase of dubstep during the mid 2010's. The new phase typically plays at 140 BPM with strong bass drops, which has been growing in popularity since 2013.
    • In 2013, a fan-made video of electronic trap producer Baauer's track ''Harlem Shake'' became an internet meme, propelling the track to become the first trap song to hit #1 on the Billboard Hot 100. Five popular EDM trap producers performed at the 2013 Ultra Music Festival in the United States '' Carnage, ƱZ, DJ Craze, Baauer and Flosstradamus. The 2013 Tomorrowland festival featured a ''Trap Stage''.
    • For lack of a definitive home of Trap music, 11th Street Studios stands as a de facto home for Trap music in Atlanta, having hosted recording sessions with old school Trap artist like Young Jeezy, to new school european artist's like Hudson Mohawk.
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    • a term used to describe validation
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    • Helping are TV, print, in-store and digital marketing forZzzQuil led by Publicis, New York,and the continued absence of Tylenol PM.
    • "Our research tells us that 25% of consumers suffer occasionalsleeplessness, but only 15% buy within the category today," aP&G spokeswoman said. "Vicks feels strongly that we have aright to play and win in the category long-term."
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  • Purple Drank: Myths, Effects, Risks, and How to Get Help
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    • Purple drank is the moniker given to the recreational drug that is created by mixing large doses of prescription cough syrup (most commonly promethazine-codeine products, which are classically a deep purple color) with a carbonated soft drink and hard candy.>> >>
    • Today, cough medicines with codeine are classified as Schedule V drugs, making them legal only with a prescription. With the emergence of dangerous drug cocktails like purple drank in the 1990s, however, the potential for misuse was brought into the spotlight.
    • Also Known As: Purple drank is also known as sizzurp, purple stuff, lean, drank, barre, Texas tea, Tsikuni, purple jelly, Memphis mud, and purple Sprite.
    • Drug Class: The primary drug ingredient in purple drank is codeine, which is classified as an opioid, whereas promethazine, another drug in the cocktail, is an antihistamine.
    • Common Side Effects: Purple drank is known to cause euphoria, nausea, dizziness, impaired vision, memory loss, hallucinations, and seizures.
    • How to Recognize Purple DrankThis potential "killer" cough syrup is cut with soda and sometimes candy or even alcohol'--giving it a signature saccharine taste and purple color. It is typically served in a styrofoam cup.
    • What Does Purple Drank Do? People typically sip purple drank to experience the reported euphoria and dissociation from one's body. It's often called a ''swooning euphoria'''--promethazine acts as a sedative and codeine creates a feeling of euphoria'--and these effects last between three to six hours.
    • Purple drank also goes by the name "lean" because similar to being very drunk, people often literally have to lean on something to stand up once the effects take place.>> >>
    • What the Experts Say Purple drank become popular partly due to the glamorization of sizzurp and its euphoric effects among many celebrities and in numerous hip hop songs and videos.
    • Purple drank has been responsible for the hospitalization and death of many people, including several celebrity singers, rappers, and professional athletes.>> >> For example, the singer and rapper Mac Miller, who later died of a drug overdose, had spoken about his own addiction to purple drank.
    • Compared to other recreational drugs, the ease of obtaining the ingredients and the drug's relatively low cost to make it more accessible than other recreational drugs.
    • While it's unclear how many people misuse prescription cough syrups in the form of drug cocktails like purple drank, we do know that many teens turn to cough and cold medication to get high, including 2.8% of 8th graders, 3.3% of 10th graders, and 3.4% of 12th graders, according to the 2018 Monitoring the Future Report.>> >>
    • Preventative Measures In 2014, pharmaceutical company Actavis decided to stop producing and selling its prescription-only promethazine-codeine syrup product (nicknamed "Prometh") due to the rise in recreational use.
    • Unfortunately, this move did not deter its use. In fact, people have reportedly stockpiled the promethazine-codeine cough syrup and it remains to be seen whether people seeking a similar high will come up with another way to concoct a cocktail replete with promethazine and opioids.
    • For instance, drank can be brewed from over-the-counter cough syrups containing dextromethorphan (DXM), which is similar to the dissociative anesthetics ketamine (Special K) and phencyclidine (PCP).
    • Like its chemical brethren, when taken in excess, dextromethorphan can cause hallucinations and out-of-body (dissociative) experiences; it also causes adverse effects like increased heart rate, hypertension, and diaphoresis (profuse sweating).>> >>
    • Common Side Effects Because there is really no way to know the soda-to-syrup ratio in any given serving, overdose risk is high with drug cocktails like purple drank. Each ingredient is associated with various side effects.
    • Promethazine When used as prescribed, promethazine acts as an antihistamine, antiemetic (anti-vomiting), and sedative.>> >> Alone, promethazine doesn't usually cause euphoria unless mixed with other depressants like codeine and alcohol as in mixtures like purple drank.
    • When taken in large doses, promethazine can cause:>> >>
    • Abnormal heart rhythmChanges in blood pressureDry skin and mucous membranesHallucinationsSeizuresSevere breathing problems Codeine Codeine is a drug that is metabolized by the body into morphine. In prescription cough syrup, codeine works to suppress a cough. Morphine and other opioids can also cause feelings of elation, analgesia, and euphoria as well as dangerous side effects, including:>> >>
    • Brain damageDizzinessRedness of the arms, face, neck, and upper chestShortness of breathStopping of the heart Depressants Purple drank is composed of multiple depressants which can synergize to cause:
    • ComaHypotension (dangerously low blood pressure)Respiratory depressionSomnolence (sleepiness)StuporSudden death>> >>Furthermore, when other central nervous depressants are thrown into the mix'--like barbiturates, narcotics, and tricyclic antidepressants'--repercussions are particularly grim.
    • From a scientific perspective, it's difficult to pinpoint exactly how much purple drank it takes to kill someone. From a medical perspective, it's safe to say that imbibing any amount of purple drank is dangerous.
    • Signs of Use Beyond finding empty bottles of cough syrup, styrofoam cups, soda, and candy among your loved one's belongings, it's important to watch out for any changes in personality and behavior. Changes might include being irritable, changes in sleep patterns, a loss of interest in school or social activities, or a sudden change in friends.
    • Spotting the Signs of OverdoseIf you suspect someone has overdosed on sizzurp, call 911 immediately or the national toll-free Poison Help hotline (800-222-1222).
    • Bluish-colored fingernails and lipsBreathing problems (slow and labored breathing, shallow breathing, no breathing)Cold, clammy skinComaConfusionDizzinessDrowsinessFatigueLightheadednessLoss of consciousnessHigh or low blood pressureMuscle twitchesTiny pupilsSpasms of the stomach and intestinesWeaknessWeak pulse Myths & Common Questions Many people have a false perception that something is "cool" because celebrities are involved (or it is part of the lyrics of a favorite song), but there is nothing cool about the potentially life-threatening dangers of purple drank.
    • What's more, just because the ingredients involved are "legal" or sold over-the-counter in a pharmacy, it does not make it safe to drink. When not used as directed on the label or exactly prescribed, cough medicine (and other over-the-counter) drugs can be harmful to your health.
    • Commercial Products A number of commercial products have emerged that are inspired by purple drank and include herbal ingredients such as melatonin, rose hips, and valerian. These products are often marketed as relaxation aids and sometimes use similar-sounding names such as "Lean" or "Purple Stuff." Such products have been criticized for serving as a potential "gateway" to illicit drug use.>> >>
    • It can be difficult to know what these products actually contain and the potential effects these substances may have. Always talk to your doctor before using such products, since herbal ingredients can lead to potentially serious interactions and side effects.
    • Tolerance, Dependence, and Withdrawal Codeine is a habit-forming opioid pain reliever, which means taking more than prescribed can easily lead to dependence and potentially addiction.>> >> It is possible to build a tolerance to this potent cough syrup cocktail, which puts you at a greater risk for overdose as well.
    • How Long Does Purple Drank Stay in Your System? How long promethazine with codeine cough syrup will remain in your body depends on several factors, including dosage, how often you use the medication, your age, weight, and metabolism, as well as your hydration and activity levels.
    • While there is no exact drug test or timeline for purple drank, here is an estimated detection window for codeine according to drug test type:
    • Urine: 2 to 3 daysBlood: Up to 24 hoursSaliva: 1 to 4 daysHair follicle: Up to 2 to 3 months (but will not register until 2 to 3 weeks after use) Addiction Developing an addiction to purple drank is possible'--but it won't happen overnight. Factors like genetics, environment, underlying mental health as well as the frequency of use all play a role in whether or not someone develops an addiction.
    • Withdrawal If someone you care about builds a tolerance to sizzurp'--and then suddenly stops taking the potent cocktail, they may experience symptoms of withdrawal, including:>> >>
    • AnxietyChills or goosebumpsDiarrheaFaster heartbeatIrritabilityLoss of appetiteMuscle achesNausea and vomitingRunny noseSleep problemsSweatingTeary eyesYawningWithdrawal from purple drank use can be very uncomfortable, but it is not life-threatening. Although complications can occur that pose a potential danger. For example, vomiting and diarrhea can cause dehydration as well as chemical and mineral disturbances in your body.
    • Overdose is also possible if you quit and then take the same dose of the drug again. Your body will no longer be able to tolerate the amount you used to take.
    • How to Get Help If you or a loved one is misusing cough syrup, please seek help and consult with a primary care physician, nurse practitioner, or mental health professional who can refer you to an addiction specialist.
    • You may need long-term recovery support or addiction treatment following withdrawal to stay off this drug cocktail, including:
    • Inpatient treatmentIntensive outpatient treatmentLife skills trainingMaintenance medicationOutpatient therapyRelapse preventionSupport groups (Narcotics Anonymous or SMART Recovery)Remember: There's no shame in getting help; it's one of the bravest things you can do.
  • What Is Lean? | NIDA for Teens
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    • Home Teens Teachers Parents Drugs & Health Blog National Drug & Alcohol Facts Week® We've described the risks of misusing cough and cold medicines to get high. Prescription cough medicines that contain promethazine (an antihistamine) or codeine are sometimes combined with soda and candy in a drink called ''lean'' or ''sizzurp.''
    • Lean is sometimes used at electronic dance music (EDM) parties, and a recent study found that half of the references to codeine use on Instagram were about lean.
    • Plus, last year in NIDA's Chat Day during National Drug and Alcohol Facts Week®, teens had questions about lean. So, let's look at the facts about it.
    • Some of lean's effects come from misusing promethazine-codeine cough medicine in any form (syrup, gels, or capsules):
    • Codeine is an opioid (like morphine, oxycodone, and heroin). Misusing codeine'--and that includes using lean'--can cause a person's heart rate and breathing to slow down.High doses of codeine can lead to a deadly overdose, by stopping the heart and lungs from working completely.Mixing codeine with alcohol or other drugs significantly increases that risk.Other effects can include nausea, dizziness, impaired vision, memory loss, hallucinations, and seizures. And misusing codeine over and over can lead to tolerance and addiction.
    • Does your family know the risks of misusing opioids? NIDA's free booklet can help.
  • Snow on tha Bluff - Wikipedia
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    • Snow on tha BluffDirected byDamon RussellProduced byChris KnittelStarringCurtis SnowEdited byTakashi DoscherProductioncompany
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    • June 19, 2012CountryUnited StatesLanguageEnglishSnow on tha Bluff is a 2012 reality-drama film directed by Damon Russell. It is the story of Curtis Snow, a real Atlanta "robbery boy" and "crack dealer" whose livelihood revolves around armed robbery and drug pushing who sought out [director] Damon Russell to make a film about his life. The film's title refers to protagonist Curtis Snow and to Atlanta's neighborhood The Bluff, which is infamous for crime and drug dealing.
    • Synopsis [ edit ] Three college students drive to the Bluff, a westside Atlanta neighborhood, intending to buy some drugs from a dealer. Clearly naive, they joke about flirting in hopes of getting free drugs, and reassure one another that they have nothing to fear. One of the students holds a camera with the hope of filming the encounter. They find a dealer named Curtis Snow, who asks them to drive him to his house in order to fulfill their order.
    • Once they arrive, Curtis pulls out a gun, robs them of their purses and camera, and makes a hasty escape. Recognizing the quality of the camera, he hands it to one of his friends, telling him to continue filming no matter what in order to capture their day-to-day life as it occurs.
    • Curtis soon learns that another group of drug dealers have encroached on his territory, selling drugs not far from his street. He recruits his friends and robs the rivals of their drug supply. When a friend tips him off to another gang selling drugs nearby, he invades their house with the help of his friend and robs them of their supply as well.
    • While playing at a pool hall, Curtis recognizes a rival drug dealer with his familiar white hat, who likewise takes note of Curtis. The man in the white hat follows Curtis into his territory, asking the locals about him, but the surface threat doesn't faze Curtis and he continues to hustle. On his way back home after cutting the latest stolen product with his crew, Curtis is ambushed in a backyard alleyway by a gunman seconds after looking "white hat" in the eye. Luckily the bullet wounds are not fatal and the ambusher's gun jams right as he comes close to Curtis, allowing him to flee. He collapses in the street nearby, where he is found by a police patrol and subsequently arrested in connection with a prior robbery, and spends four months in jail.
    • After his release from jail, Curtis is enthusiastically welcomed back by his neighborhood, and is clearly anxious to get right back into the drug dealing game. He attempts to get revenge by ambushing "white hat's" girlfriend, but in retaliation, they kill his girlfriend and mother of his child. Her death causes Curtis to sink into depression, as he now has to take care of his young son while continuing to deal drugs. In one scene, as he cuts and bags up crack to sell, he explains how he watched his uncle do exactly the same thing when he was a kid, and comments that his son is the same age he was and watching him engage in the same behavior.
    • Soon after, however, Curtis meets a friend to discuss up-to-date information on a mark. En route to shake down this dealer, the car that they're in is once again ambushed by rival gang members. Curtis and his crew return fire then give chase only to be intercepted by the police, causing everyone to bail on foot. Returning home after losing the police, Curtis is enraged by the turn of events and wrecks a room, then quietly smokes pot and watches his son play in the debris.
    • The movie ends with Curtis calling a number from an ad he found about movie editing. He tells them he has a movie for them and makes a meeting. It's obvious that his movie idea is for "Snow on tha Bluff."
    • Cast and crew [ edit ] The film was directed by Darius Cross and stars Curtis Snow (playing himself). The film was produced by Chris Knittel.
    • Exhibition at festivals and awards [ edit ] Snow on tha Bluff has been shown at film festivals:
    • The film premiered at the 2011 Slamdance Film Festival, a showcase for the discovery of new and emerging talent in the film industry[1]2011 Atlanta Film Festival2011 Certificate of Outstanding Achievement to Takashi Doscher for editing[2]'--Brooklyn Film Festival[3]2011 Best Feature Film Award at Atlanta Underground Film Festival2011 Best Feature Film at Chicago Underground Film Festival2011 Filmmaker Magazine's: 25 New Faces of Independent Film 2011Sound On Sight rated the Snow On Tha Bluff poster a Grade A. It was described as, "Raw, and poetic, the skin is the story, beautiful and shocking, its scars, its warpaint, its sorrow." [4]Distribution [ edit ] In early 2012, Screen Media Films purchased Snow on tha Bluff for a 2012 release.[5] The release date was June 19, 2012.
    • UK distributor, Showbox Media Group announced that Snow on tha Bluff would be released on Blu-ray November 12, 2012.[6][7]
    • Impact [ edit ] Producer Chris Knittel utilized a series of unorthodox guerrilla marketing techniques. He revealed to Filmmaker magazine, "I would buy a couple hundred blank VHS tapes, copy a scene from the movie on it, throw the tape in the dirt, put some blood on it and seal it in a manilla envelope. From there, I would send out the tapes with no return address to politicians, conservative groups, police stations and various factions in the media. Operation 'stir up shit,' was now in progress." [8]
    • An attempt on Curtis Snow's life occurred in December 2011. He survived a grisly box-cutter knife attack.[9]
    • A melee broke out at the film's showing at the Atlanta Film Festival, as some audience members were unsure of the authenticity of a scene in which a child puts his hands into a pile of crack cocaine with a razor blade in it.
    • As a result of officers seeing part of the film, the Atlanta Police Department contacted the filmmakers in connection with an investigation into a string of home invasions.[10]
    • On May 16, 2012, actor Michael K. Williams revealed that he is an Executive Producer on Snow On Tha Bluff. Michael K. Williams is best known for his portrayal of Omar from The Wire and Chalky White on Boardwalk Empire. Snow on tha Bluff is Williams first executive produced film under his company, Freedome Productions. On the Breakfast Club program on New York radio station Power 105.1, Williams described the movie's truthful portrayal of the hood. He followed with, "everything that is wrong with the hood, is in this movie".[11]
    • It was announced on October 17, 2012 that producer Chris Knittel and Director Damon Russell were casting for a new film that revolves around military veterans returning home. This follow-up to Snow On Tha Bluff deals with the lasting effects of war on an American soldier.[12]
    • Music Artist B.O.B announced that his Mixtape "Fuck Em We Ball" was inspired by the film "Snow On Tha Bluff". B.O.B states, "I got it from a line in Snow On The Bluff. It's a movie based in Atlanta, and it's about these college kids who go to the hood, looking for some ecstasy and they're taping the whole thing then they get robbed. I put it up there with movies like Slumdog Millionaire, City of God, and Shottas. You don't know what's real and what's fake. One of the characters [in Snow On Tha Bluff] says 'Fuck em, we ball' and it really just stuck with me. That's where I'm at right now in my career, 'Fuck em, I'm doing what I wanna do.' I'm not conforming."[13]
    • Rapper T.I. put Curtis Snow in his music video for "Trap Back Jumpin".
    • Rapper Killer Mike released a song inspired by the movie called, "Snowin In The Bluff".[14]
    • Rapper Gucci Mane makes a reference to Curtis Snow in the song called "Dope Show" and "Dead Man".[15]
    • Rapper Kevin Gates mentions the film "Snow On Tha Bluff" in a song called "Mexico".[16]
    • Snoop Dogg and his company Trapflix were sued in Federal Court by the production company behind Snow On Tha Bluff. After Snoop Dogg and his company created a "knock-off" sequel, Fuzzy Logic filed a lawsuit for multiple counts of copyright infringement.[17]
    • A California federal judge on July 11 awarded Fuzzy Logic that asserted causes of action for copyright infringement and violation of California's unfair competition law (UCL) damages and entered a permanent injunction ordering another entity and its owner from ever using the company's movie trademark again. Fuzzy Logic settled with Snoop Dogg for contributory copyright infringement after their lawyers came to a mutual agreement for closure.[18]
    • Curtis Snow was arrested after a three hour long stand off with a SWAT team in an Atlanta funeral home in May 2016. After locking himself inside the women's bathroom, police extracted him using tear gas. He was arrested on an unrelated Aggravated Assault warrant.[19]
    • See also [ edit ] List of hood filmsReferences [ edit ] ^ "2011 Slamdance Film Festival (2011)". Slamdance.bside.com. Archived from the original on 2013-01-18 . Retrieved 2012-11-16 . ^ " " 2011 Winners", Brooklyn Film Festival". Brooklynfilmfestival.org. 2012-06-13 . Retrieved 2012-11-16 . ^ "Brooklyn Film Festival". Brooklyn Film Festival. 2012-06-11 . Retrieved 2012-11-16 . ^ " " Sound on Sight", Grade A". Soundonsight.org. 2011-10-26 . Retrieved 2012-11-16 . ^ Movies (January 18, 2012). "Screen Media Sets 2012 Slate". TheWrap . Retrieved 2012-11-16 . ^ "Snow on tha Bluff Gets Blu-ray". Blu-ray.com. 2012-08-29 . Retrieved 2012-11-16 . ^ " ' Snow On Tha Bluff' To Be Released In The U.K. On Blu-Ray". Shadow and Act . Retrieved 2020-06-22 . ^ Knittel, Chris (26 July 2013). "Irregular Warfare: Marketing Snow On Tha Bluff". Filmmaker Magazine . Retrieved 22 June 2020 . ^ "Worldstarhiphop, "ATL, ''Worldstarhiphop'', December 9th 2011". Worldstarhiphop.com. 2011-12-09 . Retrieved 2012-11-16 . ^ Wardell, Gabe (2011-01-21). "Gabe Wardell, "ATL @ Slamdance II: Snow on Tha Bluff", ''Creative Loafing'', January 21, 2011". Clatl.com. Archived from the original on March 19, 2011 . Retrieved 2012-11-16 . ^ " ' 'The Breakfast Club'', May 16, 2012". Youtube.com . Retrieved 2012-11-16 . ^ "Snow On Tha Bluff Filmmakers Casting for New Film Project". Shadow and Act. October 17, 2012 . Retrieved 2012-11-16 . ^ "Vibe, "B.o.B. Talks 'Hip-Hop Dance Experience,' New Mixtape, Working With Taylor Swift'', November 15th 2012". Vibe.com . Retrieved 2012-11-16 . ^ "Killer Mike - "Snowin In The Bluff " ". hiphopwired.com . Retrieved 2012-03-22 . ^ "World War 3 Lean". WW3 . Retrieved 2012-03-22 . ^ "mexico". kevin gates . Retrieved 2016-01-03 . ^ "Filmmaker Sues Snoop Dogg for Knock Off Sequel". Court House News . Retrieved 2015-08-22 . ^ "Judge Awards Production Company $1.8 Million For Improper Use Of Movie Name". LexisLegalNews . Retrieved 2016-07-13 . ^ http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/08/entertainment/curtis-snow-arrest/ External links [ edit ] Official website Snow on tha Bluff on IMDbSnow on tha Bluff (2011) at AllMovieDaniel Gold, "Up Close and Very Personal: The Crimes That Pay a Man's Way: 'Snow on tha Bluff,' About the Drug Scene in Atlanta", New York Times, April 19, 2012Gabe Wardell, "ATL @ Slamdance II: Snow on Tha Bluff", Creative Loafing, January 21, 2011Interview with Filmmakers, Damon Russell, Curtis Snow, and Chris Knittel "The Regular Guys", Rock 100.5 radio (Atlanta), April 27, 2011 [permanent dead link ] "'Snow On Tha Bluff' Provides Eye-Opening Look at a Crime-Riddled Area in Atlanta", Rolling Out magazine, May 7, 2011"25 New Faces of Independent Film 2011", Filmmaker magazine"Notorious Atlanta neighborhood subject of feature film", WXIA-TV Atlanta, 11 Alive News
  • Trap music - Wikipedia
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    • Trap is a subgenre of hip hop music that originated in the Southern United States during the early 1990s. The genre gets its name from the Atlanta slang word "trap," which refers to a place in which drugs are sold illegally.[2] Trap music uses synthesized drums and is characterized by complicated hi-hat patterns, tuned kick drums with a long decay (originally from the Roland TR-808 drum machine), atmospheric synths, and lyrical content that often focuses on drug use and urban violence.[3][4][5][6] It utilizes very few instruments and focuses almost exclusively on snare drums and double- or triple-timed hi-hats. This is the signature sound of trap music.[7][8]
    • Pioneers of the genre include producers Kurtis Mantronik, Mannie Fresh, Shawty Redd, Zaytoven, and Toomp, along with rappers Young Jeezy, Drama, Gucci Mane and T.I. (who coined the term with his 2003 album Trap Muzik). However, the modern trap sound was popularized by producer Lex Luger, who produced the influential Waka Flocka Flame album Flockaveli in 2010, and cofounded the prolific hip-hop production team 808 Mafia.[2]
    • Since crossing over into the mainstream in the 2010s, trap has become one of the most popular forms of American music, consistently dominating the Billboard Hot 100 throughout the decade, with artists such as Drake, Cardi B, Migos, Future, Lil Uzi Vert, 2 Chainz, Post Malone, XXXTentacion, and Travis Scott (among many others) all achieving No. 1s on the chart with songs that belong to the trap subgenre.[9][10][11][12] It has influenced the music of many pop artists, such as Ariana Grande, Beyonc(C), Miley Cyrus, Demi Lovato, Rihanna, Taylor Swift and Selena Gomez.[2][13] Its influence can also be heard in reggaet"n and K-pop.[13] In 2018, hip-hop became the most popular form of music for the first time ever (according to Nielsen Data), coinciding with trap's continued rise in popularity.[14] In 2019, the trap-inspired country/rap crossover "Old Town Road" by Lil Nas X (featuring Billy Ray Cyrus) broke the record for spending the most weeks (19 weeks) at No. 1 on the Billboard Hot 100 chart, as well as becoming the fastest song to reach a Diamond Certification.[15][16]
    • Characteristics [ edit ] An instrumental sample of
    • Young Jeezy's song "U Know What It Is", from his 2006 album
    • The Inspiration, showcases an example of
    • Shawty Redd's signature trap sound that was prominent during the mid-to-late 2000s.
    • In trap music, lyrical themes must revolve around the general life and culture in the "trap" or in the actual southern "trap house" where narcotics are being sold. The term "trap" refers to places where drug deals take place. Other topics also include street life, acquiring wealth, violence, American vehicles, and life experiences that artists have faced in their southern American surroundings. By definition, if the "trap" is not discussed in the song, it is not "trap" music.
    • Trap music employs multilayered thin- or thick-textured monophonic drones with sometimes a melodic accompaniment expressed with synthesizers; crisp, grimy, and rhythmic snares, deep 808 kick drums, double-time, triple-time, and similarly divided hi-hats, and a cinematic and symphonic use of string, brass, woodwind, and keyboard instruments to create an energetic, hard-hitting, deep, and variant atmosphere.[5][6][17][18] These primary characteristics, the signature sound of trap music, originated from producer Shawty Redd. Trap may use a range of tempos, from 50 BPM (programmed at 100 BPM to achieve finer hi-hat subdivision) to 88 (176) BPM, but the tempo of a typical trap beat is around 70 (140) BPM.[19]
    • History [ edit ] 1990s''2003: Origins [ edit ] Early producers creating trap music included Lil Jon from Atlanta, Georgia, where the term originated as a reference to places where drug deals are made, who along with Mannie Fresh from New Orleans and DJ Paul from Memphis, Tennessee worked with local acts in Atlanta including Dungeon Family, Outkast, Goodie Mob, and Ghetto Mafia.[20] In 1992, one of the earliest records to release was UGK's "Cocaine In The Back of the Ride" from their debut EP, "The Southern Way". Later in 1992, they released the popular "Pocket Full of Stones" from their major-label debut album Too Hard to Swallow. It was also featured in the 1993 film Menace II Society. In 1996, Master P released his single "Mr. Ice Cream Man" from his fifth studio album Ice Cream Man. Fans and critics started to refer to rappers whose primary lyrical topic was drug dealing as "trap rappers".[5] David Drake of Complex wrote that "the trap in the early 2000s wasn't a genre, it was a real place", and the term was later adopted to describe the "music made about that place".[21]
    • 2003''2015: Rise in mainstream popularity [ edit ] During the early- to mid-2000s, trap music began to emerge as a recognized genre after the mainstream success of a number of albums and singles with lyrics that covered life in "the trap", drug dealing and the struggle for success.[6] Several Southern rappers with drug dealer personas such as T.I., Young Jeezy, Gucci Mane, Boosie Badazz, Yo Gotti, Lil Wayne, and Rick Ross produced crossover hits and helped expand the popularity of the genre, with trap records beginning to appear more heavily on mixtapes and radio stations outside of the South.[8] Though trap artists were somewhat diverse in their production styles, the signature and quintessential trap sound (typically based around synth, orchestra, and string swells with tight, bass-heavy 808 kick drums) that would come to be associated with the genre developed in Atlanta during trap's mid-2000s breakthrough. Some of the notable trap producers during the mid to late 2000s include DJ Toomp, Fatboi, Drumma Boy, Shawty Redd, D. Rich, and Zaytoven. The first wave of the trap sound was influenced by earlier Southern producers such as Lil Jon, Mannie Fresh, and DJ Paul.
    • With the exception of Outkast, let me think, Goodie Mob... with the exception of that, before I came in the game, it was Lil Jon, Outkast, Goodie Mob, okay so you had crunk music and you had Organized Noize. There was no such thing as trap music, I created that, I created that. I coined the term, it was my second album, Trap Muzik it dropped in 2003. After that, there was an entire new genre of music created. An open lane for each of you to do what you do, and live your lives, on T.V., and be accepted by the masses. The masses have accepted you 'cause I opened the door and you walked through it. Don't forget who opened that door, cuz.
    • '--'‰
    • Atlanta-based rapper T.I., in a December 2012 interview[22]By the end of the decade, a second wave of trap artists gained momentum and frequently topped the Billboard hip hop charts.[8] Trap producer Lex Luger gained huge popularity, and produced more than 200 songs in 2010 and 2011, including a number of singles for mainstream rap artists such as Rick Ross' "B.M.F. (Blowin' Money Fast)". Since Luger's rise, his signature trap sound has been the heavy use of 808s, crisp snares, fast hihats, synth keys, and orchestration of brass, strings, woodwind, and keyboards.[18] Many of his sounds have been adopted by other hip hop producers trying to replicate his success. As such, Luger is often credited with popularizing the modern trap sound.[23] Since the 2010s, an array of modern trap producers have gained industry popularity, most notably 808 Mafia's Southside and TM88, Sonny Digital, Young Chop, DJ Spinz, Tay Keith and Metro Boomin. Some producers expanded their range to other genres, such as contemporary R&B (Mike WiLL Made It) and electronic music (AraabMuzik).[3]
    • Throughout 2011 and 2012, trap music maintained a strong presence on the mainstream Billboard music charts with a number of records released by rappers such as Young Jeezy, Chief Keef and Future.[8] Jeezy's single "Ballin" reached number 57 on the Billboard charts and was considered one of Jeezy's best tracks in some time.[24] Future's single, "Turn On the Lights", was certified gold and entered at number 50 on the Billboard Hot 100 and Keef's "I Don't Like" and "Love Sosa" generated over 30 million views on YouTube, spawning a new subgenre within trap called drill. Music critics called drill production style the "sonic cousin to skittish footwork, southern-fried hip-hop and the 808 trigger-finger of trap". Young Chop is frequently identified by critics as the genre's most characteristic producer.[25][26][27] The sound of trap producer Lex Luger's music is a major influence on drill,[26][28] and Young Chop identified Shawty Redd, Drumma Boy and Zaytoven as important precursors to the drill movement.[27] "I Don't Like" inspired fellow Chicago native, notable hip hop producer and rapper Kanye West to create a remix of the song, which was included on his label GOOD Music's compilation album Cruel Summer. Stelios Phili of GQ called trap music "the sound of hip hop in 2012".[29]
    • Since maintaining a strong presence on the mainstream music charts, trap music has been influential to non-hip hop artists. R&B singer Beyonc(C)'s songs "Drunk in Love", "Flawless" and "7/11", all from her 2013 album Beyonc(C), also contained trap influences. American dance-pop singer Lady Gaga recorded a trap-inspired song titled "Jewels 'n Drugs" for her 2013 album Artpop, featuring rappers T.I., Too Short and Twista. The combination of pop and trap music was met with mixed responses from critics.[30][31] In September 2013, American pop singer Katy Perry released a song titled "Dark Horse" featuring rapper Juicy J, from her 2013 album Prism, that incorporated trap elements.[32][33] The song reached number one on the Billboard Hot 100 by the end of January 2014.[34]
    • 2015''present: Expansion and mainstream ubiquity [ edit ] In May 2015, trap music once again surfaced the top of mainstream music charts as New Jersey rapper Fetty Wap's hit single "Trap Queen" peaked at number two on the US Billboard Hot 100 chart.[35] Fetty Wap's subsequent singles, "My Way" and "679", also reached the top 10 of the Billboard Hot 100 chart.[36] Brooklyn-based rapper Desiigner gained major recognition in 2016 upon the release of "Panda" as his debut mixtape single which topped the US Billboard Hot 100 chart.[37] The commercial success of trap songs also began to be assisted by Internet memes, as was the case with Rae Sremmurd and Gucci Mane's "Black Beatles" which reached number-one on the Billboard Hot 100 chart after exposure through the 'Mannequin Challenge' internet phenomenon.[38] Similarly, in 2017 the collaboration between Migos and Lil Uzi Vert "Bad and Boujee", with the now popularly spread lyrics "Raindrop (Drip), Drop top (Drop Top)"[39] reached number-one after internet meme exposure.[40][41] 2 Chainz released his fourth studio album Pretty Girls Like Trap Music in June 2017. Rapper Cardi B became extremely popular with her song "Bodak Yellow", which went to number one on the Billboard Hot 100 in 2017.[42][43]
    • In 2015, a new fusion of trap music named as "Latin Trap" began to emerge.[45] Also known as trapet"n, Latin trap is similar to mainstream trap which details " 'la calle', or the streets'--hustling, sex, and drugs with a mixture of reggaeton rhythms".[46] Prominent artists of Latin trap include Bryant Myers, Anuel AA, Miky Woodz, and Bad Bunny.[47] In July 2017, The Fader wrote "Reggaetoneros from Puerto Rico have taken elements of trap'--the lurching bass lines, jittering 808s and the eyes-half-closed vibe'--and infused them into banger after banger."[47] In an August 2017 article for Billboard ' s series, "A Brief History Of", they enlisted some of the key artists of Latin trap'--including Ozuna, De La Ghetto, Bad Bunny, Farruko and Arcangel'--to narrate a brief history on the genre.[45][48] Elias Leight of Rolling Stone noted "[Jorge] Fonseca featured Puerto Rican artists like Anuel AA, Bryant Myers and Noriel on the compilation Trap Capos: Season 1, which became the first "Latin trap" LP to reach number one on Billboard ' s Latin Rhythm Albums chart."[49] A remixed version of Cardi B's single "Bodak Yellow" (which had previously reached number one on the US Billboard Hot 100 chart), dubbed the "Latin Trap Remix", was officially released on August 18, 2017 and features Cardi B rapping in Spanish with Dominican hip hop recording artist Messiah contributing a guest verse.[50][51] In November 2017, Rolling Stone wrote that "a surging Latin trap sound is responding to more recent developments as it fuses with Reggaeton, embracing the slow-rolling rhythms and gooey vocal delivery popularized by Southern hip-hop".[49]
    • "Bubblegum rap" consists of a "booming, trap-laden" beat with "flavorful" elements and mumble rap.[52] It is also described as "ushering in a new wave of Internet-born music stars".[53]
    • On 5 May 2018, rapper and musician Childish Gambino released "This Is America", which is "built on the sharp contrast between jolly, syncretic melodies and menacing trap cadences".[54] It debuted at number 1 on the Billboard Charts and was streamed over 65 million times in the first week of its release.[55]
    • In 2018, in promotion for his album Dime Trap, T.I. opened a pop-up TrapMusic Museum in Atlanta:[56] "We curated it from conception. The purpose of it was to acknowledge the most significant contributors to the culture. Secondly, inform those who may be least knowledgeable about the genre. And inspire those who are in the environment that inspires the genre."[57] The museum also includes an escape room entitled 'Escape the Trap'.[58][59]
    • In 2018, Lil Nas X's "Old Town Road" crossed trap with Western and country music.[60] In March 2019, the song debuted at number 19 on the Hot Country Songs before being removed from the chart a week later.[61] A remix with Billy Ray Cyrus was released on April 5, 2019 and later became the longest-running number one hip-hop single of all time and the overall longest number one single of all time on the Billboard Hot 100, at 19 weeks, surpassing the record set by Mariah Carey and Boyz II Men's "One Sweet Day" and Luis Fonsi and Daddy Yankee's "Despacito" featuring Justin Bieber.[62]
    • Pop-R&B singer Ariana Grande's 2019 album Thank U, Next experiments with trap music on multiple songs, such as "7 Rings", "Break Up with Your Girlfriend, I'm Bored", "Bad Idea", and "In My Head".
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  • All the Verzuz Instagram Live Battles & Winners
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    • Throughout quarantine, Swizz Beatz and Timbaland's Verzuz battle series has grown from a novel event bridging hip-hop's past and present into uplifting excitement in our indoor spring and summer, joining DJ sessions by D-Nice, Questlove, and others (as well as Tory Lanez's unpredictable, short-lived Quarantine Radio series) as the must-see remote-but-live viewing for rap and R&B fans while live shows and festivals are sidelined by COVID-19. Verzuz reimagines the DJ battles of hip-hop's early days for the ''one gotta go'' set. The premise is simple: Two prominent producers (or singers or songwriters) pair up live on Instagram and compete to decide who has the better catalog. The rules came together on the fly through trial and error. As it stands, each battle goes 20 rounds, with each contestant playing a hit and hearing a rebuttal.
    • Verzuz is fun, simple, and wide open '-- maybe a little too wide open. The audience is mostly in charge of the scoring, and there's rarely a consensus on points. Regional bias and generational schisms creep up. Playing a deep cut almost categorically loses you the point, even if it's one of the greatest songs of all time. There's nothing wrong with a slugfest, but it's draining hearing people trash timeless classics. You can be a legend with decades of hits and lose the crowd trailing too far away from radio. You can be a veteran who changed the game forever and get smoked in the court of public opinion because someone else's music is fresher in everyone's shared memory. You can score points with records mostly made by someone else. If you've cultivated a relationship with an A-list artist, you're almost guaranteed the win.
    • In spite of these minor issues, Verzuz is making drab weekends and weeknights feel fun again and restoring a spirit of friendly competition to the game. It's also teaching fans how many heads it can take to make a hit record. You might hear the same song at three different battles: once from a producer, again from a co-producer, and then again from a songwriter who helped fine-tune melodies or flesh out lyrics. That said, hits being repeated also highlights a need for greater variety in the cast of contestants, a concern Swizz and Timbaland seem to be addressing in the lineup going forward. Still, Verzuz needs more talent from different regions and different eras, and it desperately needs more women. While we wait to find out what happens next, particularly after partnering with Apple Music in late July, let's go over what we've seen so far, ranked from best to worst to absolutely doomed.
    • What's the rundown? The outrageous showdown between Atlanta-based hitmakers The-Dream and Sean Garrett is the reason Verzuz now has ground rules. Dream '-- who has helped craft scores of hits, including Beyonc(C)s ''Single Ladies (Put a Ring on It)'' and Mariah Carey's ''Touch My Body,'' and made memorable songs of his own in ''Falsetto'' and ''Rockin' That Shit'' '-- was cordial and timely in his Sunday night scrap. Garrett is best known to people who don't read liner notes as the guest on Nicki Minaj's ''Massive Attack'' but renowned to those in the know as the co-writer and/or co-producer of singles like Usher's ''Yeah!,'' Ciara's ''Goodies,'' and Yonce bangers like ''Ring the Alarm.'' That said, he showed up late mugging lasciviously at the camera and letting records rock too long. (This is why contestants are only allowed to play a song up to the first chorus now.) Antics ate up most of the first hour, where Dream let loose a steady stream of solid tunes, and Garrett played songs at random, digging up Blueprint 3''era Jay-Z songs and premiering unreleased solo cuts. But the scales tipped, and the fight got good when Garrett pulled it together and started to match Dream song for song.
    • Who won? The crowd swore Garrett smoked Dream, but what really happened is that he pulled a Rocky. He ate shots through the early rounds and came out swinging near the end when his opponent wound down. But this isn't boxing. There aren't knockouts. It matters that Sean blew the first hour. It also matters that Dream let a comfortable lead slip, giving up too many points by leaving too much heat on the table. Sean won '... but it was close.
    • Highlights: The-Dream playing mini-golf on camera as Garrett came in seemingly sloshed and delivered impromptu opening remarks, Dream showing off the demo version of Jay-Z's ''Holy Grail'' with himself on the hook instead of Justin Timberlake, Garrett spooking the crowd with love faces, famous spectators like Fat Joe, Kelly Rowland, and Rick Ross getting fed up and acting out in the comments.
    • What's the rundown? The battle between R&B groups 112 and Jagged Edge was a perfect matchup, at least on paper. Both hail from Atlanta and rose to prominence in the late-'90s run on male singing groups in the wake of Jodeci going on a long hiatus in 1996. 112 was discovered by Diddy as Bad Boy Records took flight on memorable albums from Faith Hill and Biggie. Jagged Edge, a quartet fronted by identical twins, found Georgia producer Jermaine Dupri. Both groups benefited from having a world class producer and label owner with a solid roster in their corner. Both groups charted strongly through the early 2000s, often in competition. You'd hear Jagged Edge's ''Where the Party At'' in the same urban radio block as 112's ''Peaches and Cream.'' But the Memorial Day battle illuminated the differences between two groups with very similar career trajectories.
    • Who won? Too many yearning, midtempo Jagged Edge songs in a row made the group's catalog seem formulaic. 112 brought in songs with Mase, B.I.G., Mobb Deep, Puff, and Faith to balance out the syrupy album cuts. The range won.
    • Highlights: 112 randomly bringing out new jack swing legend Keith Sweat, Jagged Edge playing ''Nasty Girl'' (their song off the posthumous Frankenstein job Biggie Duets) and getting hit with ''Sky's the Limit'' off Life After Death, Jagged Edge catching jokes into the night about bad sound quality and shaky WiFi.
    • What's the rundown? New York rhymer French Montana is a trap artist whose true gift is hooks; the catalog of hits he's featured on is surprisingly deep. Depending on the song, Tory Lanez is either an R&B singer employing rap cadences or a rapper with a keen ear for melody. (Lanez's Quarantine Radio pairs the raunchy humor of a radio shock jock with a steady stream of famous guests like Megan Thee Stallion and Drake and a long line of fans ready to twerk on camera. It's the breakout hit of the spring, drawing an average quarter million heads every time.) This sounds like an offbeat matchup until you play a lot of their songs back to back and see the common threads.
    • Who won? Tory Lanez has chops, but French has connections. On a field where the biggest hit always takes the point, songs like ''Stay Schemin''' and ''Pop That'' are always going to demolish ''Ferris Wheel'' and ''K Lo K,'' even if they're all good songs that share aesthetics. French won by a mile.
    • Highlights: Lanez playing ''Kika'' from Tekashi 6ix9ine's Day69 but refusing to acknowledge whose song it was, French nonchalantly smoking hookah, Lanez being a good sport about losing.
    • What's the rundown? Mannie Fresh is a Southern rap hero best known as the architect of the Cash Money sound. In the '90s, he produced the early Lil Wayne, Juvenile, Big Tymers, B.G., and Hot Boys albums in full, making beats essentially from scratch. The streak continued in the next decade with T.I.'s ''Front Back'' and ''Big Things Poppin'.'' Scott Storch started out as a member of the Roots and grew into one of the go-to beatmakers and session players of the aughts, working with everyone from 50 Cent and Chris Brown to Paris Hilton and Brooke Hogan. Storch's story is complicated in a way that Mannie Fresh's isn't '-- by 2010, Storch's career had become a cautionary tale about addiction and overspending '-- but repeat customers like Brown and newer stars like 6ix9ine and Russ sought him out in recent years, as Fresh's relationship with Lil Wayne led to good placements on Tha Carter V and this year's Funeral. In the battle, both producers played classics alongside a few newer songs, but the age gap in the crowd was palpable. Verzuz caters largely to aughts nostalgia; hits from '99 and 2000 don't always do so well.
    • Who won? People swear this was a blowout in Storch's favor, accusing Mannie Fresh of having a sound too specific to its era and area. This is a riot, since Storch's flair for quirky synth sounds, handclaps, and Americanized ragas screams 2000s as much as ''Back That Azz Up'' does 1999. But Storch did take this one in the end.
    • Highlights: Storch smoking fat blunts the whole hour and lighting them with a portable torch, Jadakiss laughing in the comments when his Mariah Carey collaboration ''U Make Me Wanna'' came on, Storch sneaking Justin Timberlake's ''Cry Me a River'' into the mix on the technicality that he's credited as the song's clavinet player in the Justified album liner notes.
    • What's the rundown? The second Verzuz event paired two hitmakers who've impacted the last ten years. Best known for drums that pop like bombs, West Coast rapper and producer Hit-Boy has scored songs by Jay, Kanye West, Bey, Drake, Kendrick Lamar, and Nicki Minaj. Toronto's Boi-1da has worked with Drake since his 2007 debut mixtape, Room for Improvement. ''Miss Me,'' ''Headlines,'' ''0-100/The Catch-Up,'' and ''Over'' '-- all him. The catalog also includes Eminem's Hot 100 topper ''Not Afraid'' and scorchers with everyone from Rick Ross to Rihanna. This seemed like an even matchup until everyone realized just how endless Boi-1da's stash of Drake classics is. Hit-Boy applied pressure with big radio records like Bey and Nicki's ''Feeling Myself'' and Kendrick's ''Backseat Freestyle,'' but Boi-1da had an answer for almost every one of them.
    • Who won? Trying to push Boi-1da out of his comfort zone was a solid strategy that kinda backfired on Hit-Boy in the end. He pulled a few too many of his biggest hits too early, and that cost him in the back half of the battle, when Boi-1da locked in, playing ten years' worth of Drake hits. It was a lot like people who spam fireballs in Street Fighter: It's rude, but if you can't beat it, you can't beat it.
    • Highlights: Hit pulling his Rihanna card with the Anti banger ''Woo'' but then catching ''Work,'' Boi-1da showing up with a drop of Drake saying, ''I should prolly sign to Hit-Boy 'cause I got all the hits, boy,'' on ''0-100,'' both producers previewing unreleased music by Nipsey Hussle, Nas, Drake, and Roddy Ricch.
    • What's the rundown? The third Verzuz battle restored order as successful R&B singer-songwriters Ne-Yo and Johnta Austin matched wares. Both artists are masters of tasteful love songs with hot streaks lasting through the mid- to late aughts. Ne-Yo's hits like ''So Sick,'' ''Because of You,'' ''Miss Independent,'' Bey's ''Irreplaceable,'' Rihanna's ''Take a Bow'' are smooth R&B classics. Johnt's catalog '-- see: Bow Wow and Ciara's ''Like Mine,'' Chris Brown's ''Run It!,'' Trey Songz's ''Can't Help But Wait,'' and Mariah's ''We Belong Together'' and ''Shake It Off'' '-- fills out the picture of a bygone era of wholesome 106 & Park countdowns and carefree rhythmic contemporary radio fare.
    • Who won? Both songwriters cherrypicked their best material, for the most part, although Johnt could've applied pressure with a few more platinum Mariah joints. Ne-Yo edged out the victory in the end, although this one is better appreciated as a two-and-a-half-hour 2000s nostalgia playlist than a formal beat battle.
    • Highlights: Johnt sipping wine in a suit and looking peacefully unbothered, Ne-Yo offering gentlemanly trash talk, The-Dream popping up in the comments wondering why he couldn't have a battle this civilized.
    • What's the rundown? Fabolous and Jadakiss are both New York City hip-hop veterans, the former, a mixtape killer turned certified hitmaker from Brooklyn, and the latter, a Yonkers-born alumnus of the Bad Boy and Ruff Ryder Records cliques and one third of the LOX with Styles P and Sheek Louch. The matchup makes a certain sense on paper; both rappers had radio hits and formidable mixtape freestyles during the early aughts run on New York rap. But it was never going to go well for Fab, since Jadakiss was five years deep in the game by the time the BK rhymer's 2001 debut Ghetto Fabolous dropped and continues to command a respect as a guest feature that his friend can't match. The battle was the first Verzuz night to carry an official sponsor, thanks to Diddy and Ciroc, at once a logical conclusion for the series and a puzzlingly bad idea, because the last few times Fab's name made national news, it was for a video of him publicly threatening his girlfriend and her father, an arrest for domestic violence, and a rumored plea deal for the case.
    • Verzuz attaching its first branded night to that guy in a summer where women from all over hip-hop media are coming forward with experiences of mistreatment by male coworkers and superiors isn't just tone deaf. It's business as usual for a community where the slightest talk of accountability is quite often met with grumbling indifference. Verzuz needs more tact and more women. Everyone who couldn't miss a night of internet engagement for cheering a guy with a grisly DV case has something to work on. This was an easy test. Everyone failed.
    • Who won? Jadakiss ran off with it because he has written no less than a dozen songs better than the best Fabolous song. (Do you ever imagine what could have been if Jay-Z got the ''Breathe'' beat? I do.)
    • Highlights: Jadakiss getting methodically shitfaced since it was clear this would be a blowout, Jadakiss continuing to take every opportunity to jab at Puff for fumbling the relationship between Bad Boy and the LOX in the mid-'90s, Jadakiss saying ''corporately,'' Jadakiss taking credit for writing Puff's ''Victory'' verse, Fab's DJ Boof tweeting the ROFL emoji after the battle.
    • What's the rundown? Babyface writes stately, masterful love songs for a long list of clientele that's included Whitney Houston, Toni Braxton, Bobby Brown, Boyz II Men, and Ariana Grande. His solo albums Tender Lover, For the Cool in You, and The Day rank among R&B's finest in any era. Teddy Riley, along with producers like Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, brought new jack swing to the masses in the '80s and '90s, melding hip-hop drums and R&B melodicism for famous collaborators like Bobby, Whitney, Jay-Z, Lady Gaga, and Michael Jackson. Riley's singing groups Guy and Blackstreet scored classics in ''Piece of My Love,'' ''Groove Me,'' and ''No Diggity.'' Saturday night's main event drew the pregame excitement of a Tyson fight for the grown and sexy crowd. Unfortunately, the battle ran about as long as an Iron Mike match, descending into chaos early on as tech issues surfaced on Teddy's end and sabotaged the whole first hour. He was trying to perform for his website while streaming the battle on IG Live, with a room full of staff in tow, while Babyface ran his end of the stream alone in headphones. We heard about six songs in the first hour and a quarter, after which point Riley asked for 20 more minutes to work out sound and Babyface quietly escaped and promised to reschedule the already rescheduled battle.
    • Saving this battle from the bottom ranking is the Monday night rematch, which went down without many technical difficulties or really any Teddy Riley razzle dazzle. After a hilarious couple minutes of trying to figure out how to pin a comment on IG Live, the duo settled in, played a bunch of classic records, talked trash, threw shade, and reminded everyone why we consider them to be R&B greats.
    • Who won? You could argue that Babyface won the first night after coming in hot with two Bobby Brown classics and remaining a good sport while Teddy's full band, hype man, staff, and camera crew fumbled around with microphones and speakers, trying to livestream on two separate platforms and drown out a deadly echo Riley swore at one point was coming from the other guy. The rematch went to Babyface, and it wasn't close, although Teddy landed a few good rebuttals, reminding us that Keith Sweat's new jack swing classic ''I Want Her'' is (almost) just as good as Bobby Brown's ''Every Little Step.''
    • Highlights: Toni Braxton on the warpath on Twitter, Mariah Carey and Adele getting jokes off, Babyface playing ''Change the World'' on acoustic guitar while Teddy figured out sound on Monday, Raekwon in the comments talking about robbing people to Babyface songs, Riley's team trying to sort out mic problems by bringing in even more mics, Babyface getting a little dig in about social distancing while Riley streamed from a room with what looked to be ten heads present but no masks in sight, the MEMES.
    • What's the rundown? 2 Chainz and Rick Ross are both southern rappers who toiled hard toward much deserved breakthroughs in the back portion of the aughts: Chainz with his group Playaz Circle's ''Duffle Bag Boy,'' and Ross with his hit ''Hustlin'.'' Both artists found their musical footing years after attending college on sports scholarships and have since made a mint by threading engaging street narratives with borderline cartoonish moguldom, some of which you could see on display during the duo's battle. Ross was accompanied by twerking dancers and got a shirtless massage '-- both Verzuz firsts. Fans who were expecting iconic banter and performances after the prior installment's entertaining meetup between DMX and Snoop Dogg saw a more subdued evening that picked up steam the more Ross stunted. Chainz later explained he was feeling out the energy in the room because he didn't want to come on too strong. Either way, it's the Verzuz that feels most like a promotional music-industry event. If you know, you know.
    • Who won? Ross, but it shouldn't have cut his way as easily as it did. Both rappers have gigantic back catalogues and more than a few bright spots as guest features, but Chainz mostly stuck to the big singles from his solo albums, which run a little too mainstream-y sometimes, while Ross pulled ahead digging into a treasure trove of lush deep cuts.
    • Highlights: Ross playing a spot on Kanye West's ''Famous'' that didn't make the final cut, the pile of cash that lingered on the floor at 2 Chainz's feet all night after Ross's antics.
    • What's the rundown? Ludacris and Nelly rose to prominence in 2000, when gifted southern and midwestern rappers like Eminem and Juvenile built on the success of pioneers like Bone Thugs-N-Harmony, UGK, and Three 6 Mafia, breaking the Northeast and West Coast's stranglehold on mainstream hip-hop once and for all. Nelly's ''Country Grammar (Hot Shit)'' landed like a bomb that summer, masking coarse street talk in playground melodies. Luda's porn-rap anthem ''What's Your Fantasy?'' completed his pivot from Atlanta-area radio host to airplay mainstay. Both artists enjoyed a string of blockbuster albums and singles that slowed on the other end of the aughts, when Ludacris followed minor roles in Crash and Hustle and Flow into a career in action films, and Nelly took sporadic roles in television. A battle between the two made perfect sense, and once technical difficulties on Nelly's end subsided, the night took off.
    • Who won? Luda was always going to win because Nelly's hot streak ended effectively when he took four years to follow up 2004's Sweat/Suit double, a stretch where Luda was on a tear making hits with Pharrell (''Money Maker''), Jamie Foxx (''Unpredictable''), Mary J. Blige ("Runaway Love''), Ciara ("Oh''), and Fergie ("Glamorous''). Nelly put points on the board, bafflingly avoiding his platinum-selling Tim McGraw collab ''Over and Over,'' but it wasn't enough.
    • Highlights: Luda bringing back the Afro he wore in the Chicken and Beer era, Luda's barely masked frustration at Nelly's abysmal internet connection turning into a meme, Luda revealing a version of ''Money Maker'' with Nelly on the hook instead of Pharrell.
    • What's the rundown? Lil Jon and Teddy Paindergrass are the yin and yang of mid-'00s hip-hop radio. (Peace to the Ying Yang Twins, though.) T-Pain made Auto-Tune the wave in rap almost single-handedly off the strength of records like ''Buy U a Drank (Shawty Snappin')'' and ''Can't Believe It'' and produced most of them himself. (Some other time, let's talk about the towering synths on ''Drank'' and ''Chopped N Skrewed'' being every bit as instrumental to the massive sound of '05-'08 hip-hop as DJ Toomp jams like T.I.'s ''What You Know'' and Jeezy's ''I Luv It'' or Drumma Boy on Tip's ''What Up, What's Haapnin''' and Jeezy and Kanye's ''Put On.'') Jon brought rowdy Atlanta crunk music to the masses and produced for everyone from Usher and Ciara to Pitbull and, yes, T-Pain.
    • Who won? Back to back bangers and lively banter from these two made this battle less of a war and more of a club night. It was too close to call. The winner this time was us.
    • Highlights: Lil Jon reminding T-Pain that ''Buy U a Drank'' borrowed its hook from ''Snap Yo Fingers,'' T-Pain dancing and singing along with live renditions of his hits until Swizz said, ''What you think we at, Essence Fest?,'' Jon spooking the crowd with anti-vax conspiracy theories, all hell breaking loose when T-Pain played the remix to R. Kelly's ''I'm a Flirt.''
    • What's the rundown? As a singer-songwriter and multi-instrumentalist for the groups Commissioned and Radical for Christ, and later as a solo artist and a producer, gospel music giant Fred Hammond helped to push the form beyond the traditional sounds of early 20th century black church music, advancing on the gains made by R&B/gospel hybridists like the Winans and the Clark Sisters in the '80s and embracing contemporary R&B across '90s albums including Deliverance and Pages of Life - Chapters I & II. Texas songwriter, performer, producer, and choir director Kirk Franklin followed Hammond's lead in the '90s with his choirs God's Property and the Family, adding funk and hip-hop into the mix and crossing over with unlikely R&B radio hits like 1997's Funkadelic-sampling ''Stomp.'' Franklin and Hammond's Verzuz meet wasn't a battle so much as a necessary moment of calm led by intergenerational talents. As Kirk said at the beginning of the night, ''He's the goat, and I'm the alpaca.'' The duo played two and a half hours worth of inspirational music to cool tensions in the early days of the protests in the wake of the death of George Floyd, chatting and duetting and calling on special guests for what was billed as a night of healing.
    • Who won: Millennials who grew up with the God's Property from Kirk Franklin's Nu Nation album in lieu of secular hip-hop, who are now old enough to appreciate a show that starts at 5 p.m. and lets out before 8.
    • Highlights: Kirk Franklin owning up to the fact he looks like the rapper Plies, powerful words of comfort from Bishop T.D. Jakes at the start of the night, commissioned member and gospel legend in his own right Marvin Sapp dropping by to sing his classic ''Never Would Have Made It,'' former Family member Tamela Mann's surprise rendition of her standard, the triumphant, Franklin-penned ''Take Me to the King.''
    • What's the rundown? Alicia Keys and John Legend are both singer-songwriters who blew up in the early aughts on arresting piano ballads, Keys on the rocky 2001 relationship anthem ''Fallin','' and Legend with the 2004 breakup jam ''Used to Love U.'' Both made incredible music with Kanye; West produced Keys's ''Unbreakable'' and ''You Don't Know My Name'' and worked with G.O.O.D. Music signee Legend over the years on songs including ''Blame Game'' and ''They Say.'' Both performers have worked in other mediums. Legend is the youngest performer to EGOT, joining the likes of Rita Moreno, Mel Brooks, and Audrey Hepburn. Keys's memoir, More Myself: A Journey, was released this spring. At the special Juneteenth edition of Verzuz, both artists sat at pianos rattling off hit after hit, performing some and letting others ride out on nearby stereos. Legend proved the more gifted singer with the more versatile catalog but met stiff competition in Keys and her trove of Billboard chart toppers.
    • Who won? John Legend charged ahead out of the gate and played a wide-ranging list of hits, deep cuts, and features, but Alicia Keys came armed to the teeth with hits and wisely avoidant of latter-day songs that didn't chart well. Legend outsang her in the room, but she walked away with more points.
    • Highlights: Legend starting with Lauryn Hill's ''Everything Is Everything'' and revealing that he played piano on the Miseducation hit before he blew up, the duo having an impromptu Ciroc toast in the middle of Legend and Rick Ross's ''Magnificent'' (a harbinger of brand partnerships to come), Keys doing the phone call from ''You Don't Know My Name'' as Legend recreated the sample using his voice and piano.
    • What's the rundown? Beenie Man and Bounty Killer are dancehall legends with a complicated history stretching across over 25 years of clashes, feuds, and reunions. Beenie Man began as a ten-year-old DJ making shockingly sexual music in the early '80s, then grew into one of the most well known dancehall artists on a global scale as '90s hits like ''Who Am I (Sim Simma)'' led to cross-genre collaborations like the 2000s Neptunes and M½a classic ''Girls Dem Sugar.'' Bounty Killer got into music on a lark around the same time Beenie took off and developed a pliable style that's a little bit wise, a little bit raunchy, and a little bit hard, the kind of presence equally at home on a song with Mobb Deep as on one with No Doubt. The battle between the Doctor and the Warlord proved both to be gifted performers, hitmakers, and guest features on other artists songs. The duo's longstanding frenemy status (and the fact that both parties were present in the same room) made the night electric, especially in the middle of the battle when the cops paid a visit.
    • Who won? It was a little too close to call. We lose, though, because, as Shaggy pointed out on Instagram over the weekend, neither artist is allowed in the U.S. since the government restricted access for Beenie, Bounty, Sizzla, and others in 2010.
    • Highlights: Every dance move, Beenie getting the Jamaican Constabulary Force to leave by asking an officer if he ''really wanted to be that guy'' and ruin the night for over 400,000 viewers, Beenie and Bounty freestyling over ''Astronomia'' (better known to savvy internet citizens as the Ghanian pallbearers' song), intercontinental luminaries in the black diaspora like Usain Bolt, Rihanna, Skepta, and Popcaan paying homage in the comments.
    • What's the rundown? The first Verzuz battle after a recently announced partnership with Apple Music was also the first to offer a landscape-mode option, breaking up the off-the-cuff feel of the early Instagram Live meets (though it was simulcast on IG, so you could still watch if you're not an Apple Music subscriber). The shift in view was all for the best in a competition involving Snoop Dogg and DMX, two of the most animated characters in the history of rap. Snoop is best known for having one of the greatest voices in modern music of any genre, for his unflappable stoner cool, and for his impeccable dance moves. The cornerstone of DMX's mammoth five-album reign in the late '90s and early aughts was the leashed-pit-bull intensity of hits like ''Get at Me Dog'' and ''Party Up.'' At first, this seemed like a questionable matchup: the brash electronics and coarse vocal tones of DMX's heyday and the impossibly smooth G-funk of Snoop's rich back catalogue felt like perpendicular vibes. But the duo synced up as energetic performers and '-- let's be honest '-- purveyors of problematic rap. The battle was a trip back to a raunchier, more reckless time, as X played faves like ''Money, Cash, Hoes'' and Snoop responded with villainous career highlights like ''Ain't No Fun (If the Homies Can't Have None).'' When the duo later freestyled back and forth, Snoop reminded us that he's just as good at rhyming off the top of his head as he is at writing songs, and X barked out a litany of threats and trash talk, forgetting what decade we were in at one point and dropping an F-bomb (the other one). Otherwise, mess was thankfully at a minimum.
    • Who won? It was a lock for Snoop the minute they announced his sparring partner. DMX put on a good show, but his well of hits dried up in the mid-aughts, while Snoop caught a second wind thanks to a string of gold- and platinum-certified Neptunes collaborations. The battle wasn't the blowout fans might've expected, but the West Coast legend ran off with it. (Dear Timbaland and Swizz Beatz, as long as we're relitigating East Coast vs. West Coast, deliver us Dr. Dre vs. Puff, please and thanks.)
    • Highlights: Snoop's Doggystyle album-cover shirt, DMX playing capable hype man on Snoop's classics, X joking about putting on weight and Snoop quipping that if they took their shirts off they would look like the number 10.
    • What's the rundown? Swizz was a 17-year-old from the Bronx when he started making beats for DMX and the Ruff Ryder clique in the late '90s. Virginia innovator Timbaland was the era's other go-to. If you didn't have Swizz or Tim or the Neptunes involved with your major label album, you were slouching. This was true from Jay-Z's Vol. 2: Hard Knock Life to Drake's Thank Me Later and beyond. The depth of the catalog made this battle a war of attrition; these are guys who can go song for song, artist for artist. The two squared off on records by Jay, Drake, Missy Elliott, Kanye West, Aaliyah, Justin Timberlake, and dozens more. The inaugural Verzuz battle is the longest and hardest to call. Timbaland is the more compelling musician; there's wilder stuff going on in a measure of a Timbo beat than a Swizz one seven times out of ten. But Swizz is a wild card willing to play parts no one with better chops would dare. Run back Jay-Z's ''Jigga My Nigga.'' The melody doesn't make sense. It's hard as nails!
    • Who won? I'm giving the edge to Timbo for baiting Swizz into playing R&B and standing strong when his opponent's (killer) stash of 2006 Beyonc(C) classics ran out, revealing his opponent's shortcomings while showcasing his own strengths.
    • Highlights: The six-song Jay-Z war where we got to hear classic cuts from the In My Lifetime albums, every time Swizz played DMX and Timbo quipped, ''You playing your artist.'' Trash talk is key.
    • What's the rundown? Gucci Mane and Jeezy are Atlanta rap figureheads who fell out early in their respective careers over a misunderstanding involving their 2005 collaboration ''Icy'' that spun out of control when affiliates of Jeezy's attempted to rob Gucci, and Gucci fatally shot one of the men on the scene. Relations between the pair have been frosty at best ever since, such that when T.I. dropped out of a planned Verzuz battle with Jeezy at the last minute, and Gucci stepped in as a replacement, everyone who knew the history couldn't help but wonder if the series hadn't just scheduled its first fistfight. At the famous Atlanta strip club Magic City, the match between the 1017 Records and CTE World label heads went every way you could possibly imagine and more. Gucci seemingly showed up for the express purpose of disrespecting his longtime enemy, blending hits and mixtape favorites with diss tracks like ''Round 1,'' ''745,'' ''Benchwarmers,'' and ''The Truth,'' where he famously invited his foe to ''go dig your partner up.'' Jeezy played it cool, sticking largely to cuts from his debut album, Let's Get It: Thug Motivation 101, and ignoring the taunts until Gucci said, ''We smoking on Pookie Loc tonight,'' insulting Jeezy's deceased affiliate by name. It was the tensest moment in Verzuz history, but cool heads prevailed as Jeezy urged Gucci to consider the youth that look up to them and the many rappers we've lost over the last few years. The night ended with an impromptu performance of ''Icy,'' the duet that started it all and, for now, appears to have put one of hip-hop's coldest wars on hold. But it's tough to say that common sense truly won the day, as masks were scarce at Magic, and by all accounts, the after-party was a clusterfuck. It's disorienting watching Verzuz pivot from safe, remote entertainment to hosting the kinds of parties we started streaming the series to avoid, and making appointment viewing out of a beef with an actual body count was irresponsible. Two months after the joyous, peaceful meeting between Patti LaBelle and Gladys Knight, it's clear how Verzuz has as much potential for edifying good as for risk and danger.
    • Who won? You could argue that Jeezy sticking to his foundational classics and mid-career hits was marginally more successful than Gucci blowing points on spite and flexing the depth of his catalogue by playing (not quite universally beloved) pop-star collabs like ''Wake Up in the Sky'' with Bruno Mars and ''Both'' with Drake. Or you could argue that letting the worst jab of the night go unanswered is a kind of loss. Or you could simply marvel at the fact that, somehow, finally, we got to see ''Go Crazy,'' ''Steady Mobbin,'' ''Lose My Mind,'' and ''Bricks'' performed in the same room without a brawl breaking out.
    • Highlights: Gucci asking former Georgia congressional representative and gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams to wipe his criminal record when she called in to urge voters to participate in the state's crucial Senate runoffs in January. Gucci opening round one dissing Jeezy on ''Round 1.'' Adult star Teanna Trump using the comments section to schedule dick appointments. Juicy J flipping PS5s. Wendy's hawking lemonade during ''Lemonade.'' Def Jam flaming Atlantic.
    • What's the rundown? Brandy and Monica got their start as teen singing sensations in the mid-'90s, as Brandy parlayed the success of ''I Wanna Be Down'' and ''Baby'' into lucrative sitcom and Disney acting gigs, and Monica built a career on the honest lyrics and effortless vocals of songs like ''Before You Walk Out of My Life'' and ''Don't Take It Personal.'' Their famous chart-topping duet, ''The Boy Is Mine,'' popped thanks to a peculiar chemistry between the two, which sometimes appeared to the outside observer as something of a rivalry '-- egged on by shady moments like Brandy changing the hook to sing, ''The song is mine,'' at a live performance a few years back because she'd pitched in with writing and Monica hadn't. Their Verzuz battle was a master class in old friends with unresolved business. It seemed as if they hadn't spoken in years before sitting down in front of the cameras. You could tell they like each other and the music they've made together and apart; you could also understand how they would get on each other's nerves.
    • Who won? Brandy took it, but Monica held her own, even if she started to run out of hits toward the end.
    • Highlights: Brandy hearing a new Monica song and asking if it was the intermission music, Brandy telling the story of the time she geeked out and yelled ''West side!'' at 2pac, Monica refusing to give the audience live vocals on ''The Boy Is Mine'' while Brandy sang hers, the debate over whether Monica was wearing waist-high boots or leather pants obscuring high heels that culminated in Solange creating a Twitter poll in which pants won by a narrow margin.
    • What's the rundown? When Babyface first delayed his battle with Teddy Riley this month (as the R&B icon born Kenneth Edmonds took time to get back to good health after testing positive for the coronavirus), fans wondered who'd fill those shoes over Easter weekend. Wu-Tang mastermind RZA and Gang Starr's DJ Premier stepped up. The New York native built his legend on gritty sonics and brash funk and kung fu samples, shoveling a heap of dirt from the underground onto mainstream hip-hop's doorstep in the early '90s with classics like Enter the 36 Chambers, Liquid Swords, and Only Built 4 Cuban Linx. Premier, a New York hip-hop hall of famer by way of Houston and Boston, is a turntable wizard capable of creating new melodic lines out of preexisting records. While RZA made noise in Staten Island, Preemo made magic with Nas, Biggie, Jay-Z, Mobb Deep, and more. Their competition was a clash of rap titans that'll go down in history. The duo played cat and mouse across 20 rounds of legendary street rap and then blessed us with a lengthy bonus round full of hits they forgot to get to in the main battle.
    • Who won? Preemo was the favorite in the days leading up to the battle, but RZA showed up armed with great records by Method Man, GZA, Ol' Dirty Bastard, and Raekwon. This one was too close to get hung up on scoring. The winner is anyone tuned in to hear the story of New York hip-hop song by iconic song. (That said, I'm siding with RZA.)
    • Highlights: Decades of hip-hop royalty camped out in the comments, RZA arriving in a sleeveless vest and gloves with Afro Samurai playing in the background, Premier calling the reviled Wu-Tang hit ''Gravel Pit'' a pop song and following with Christina Aguilera's ''Ain't No Other Man,'' RZA chasing the scorching Biggie diss track ''Kick In the Door,'' off 1996's Life After Death, with ''The Long Kiss Goodnight,'' another diss track off the same album.
    • What's the rundown? Erykah Badu and Jill Scott rose out of the neo-soul wave of the mid- to late-'90s as much needed rejoinders to the masculine perspective of singers like D'angelo and Maxwell. Each has walked her own path, Jill mixing frank, soulful songwriting and spoken-word poetry in her catalog while Erykah blended funk, soul, and hip-hop into her own strange brew. Both singers have made movies. Jill was a wonder in BET's The Clark Sisters: First Ladies of Gospel; Erykah was memorable in Cider House Rules and a riot in What Men Want. Their meet was more a reunion and a Mother's Day celebration than a proper battle. Throughout the night, the singers shared memories and matched vibes with their musical selections. Fans who've held onto the idea that there was smoke between the two were met with a night full of mutual admiration and soothing music. You came away feeling uplifted, which is the mark of top-tier entertainment in quar.
    • Who won? Earth, chakras, angels, babies.
    • Highlights: Scene-setting poetry from Nikki Giovanni before the battle, Jill revealing that the hook for the Roots' ''You Got Me'' (which she wrote and Erykah sang) was the first piece of music she ever wrote, the comforting lighting, that split second where both singers made a scrunch-face and it turned into a meme.
    • What's the rundown? Gladys Knight and Patti LaBelle are soul-music institutions celebrated as much for their grace as for possessing two of the greatest singing voices in recorded-music history '-- Gladys for her rich contralto and Patti as a soprano with a shocking range for whom no note seems too high. Gladys scored Motown classics with her family band, the Pips, including ''If I Were Your Woman'' and ''Neither One of Us (Wants to Be the First to Say Goodbye),'' and persevered long enough to have hits in the '80s like ''Love Overboard,'' ''That's What Friends Are For,'' and the Bond theme ''License to Kill.'' Patti's Blue Belles evolved from a '60s girl group into the successful funk group Labelle, but her biggest hits would happen in her solo career with staples like ''New Attitude'' and the Michael McDonald duet ''On My Own.'' For Verzuz, the longtime friends and collaborators celebrated each other, sang as beautifully as they did at their peak, and offered words of encouragement for the generations coming up behind them. Although a few hiccups with Patti's sound stood as a reminder of how quickly and off the cuff this series came together in just six months, the night's overall excellence suggests it'll be here as long as there's a captive audience.
    • Who won? Blackness won. Women won. Singers who sound better than their records 50 years later won.
    • Highlights: Both sounding incredible in their late 70s; mic control; Patti kicking the night off with a dance routine to ''All Right Now'' that gave Mary J. Blige a run for her money; Gladys singing ''Midnight Train to Georgia'' twice and no one caring about the repetition; Patti kicking her shoes off during ''Somewhere Over the Rainbow'' and having backup footwear options on her desk; every celebrity that got roasted for projecting in the comment section; Dionne Warwick joining the pair for ''Superwoman'' and ''That's What Friends Are For,'' reuniting the lineup from the trio's iconic 1986 HBO special, Sisters in the Name of Love, which, if you're anything like me, you've already watched this month. If you have not done this, you have your homework.
    • All the Verzuz Battles, Ranked

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  • more facts with Adam Curry for December 7 2020. This is episode number 55. I'm Adam Curry in Austin, Texas. from somewhere in Northern Virginia. fresh new member of the 40 Club Ladies and gentlemen, give it up for Mo.
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  • Mo man 40 a baby.
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  • Can't believe
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  • you made it. You made it. I did make it. And as I teach her on the hill, I'm not over yet. I'm teetering for this year, and then I'll be over the hill. But I'm 14 I feel great. And yeah, give a nice celebration at home, you've family come over, hang out.
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  • Have this one, two people for one second.
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  • From the last for the 28th October instead of January 1 is like one big blur. Because I have my two daughters birthdays they have Halloween Thanksgiving. My dad's birthday was the 27th of November. Their mom's the fourth? My brother's the ninth. So it's just been one big for Nope, no pun intended celebration. Um, and, man, we turned up my wife and the kids you know, thinking about that you maybe you should just gather the whole family and go on a cruise for six weeks and do it all in one go just party every night.
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  • We might just do that from now on because it's it's a wild time. I mean, it's a great time. But it is a wild time. And around here in the brown effects house. So very good. I'm happy you're I'm happy you're happy and good health. And man, I'm glad that we're back on the microphones because I've been jonesing to talk to you. It's been it's been just a tad over two weeks. So I'm excited. It's in August a highlight I've been chosen to and this topic that we're going to cover so we jump right in it because I have a pretty cool bag.
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  • The Wheel of topics, I've noticed in the parlance that the term bag can be used very universally. So we have we got the bag with the money we got the bag with the money when you're getting caught. And you got the bag which is I don't know mo facts dr kit of goodies. So bag is pretty darn universal. And then it's another one where when you're in your bag, that's like when you're in the zone or you're doing you're doing your thing. So let's get in our bag here Ladies and gentlemen, find out what the topics going to be for. Adam Curry Episode Number 55 nobody knows that we'll have topics will close. Except mo Of course he knows exactly what is the topic for Episode 55 is how do you know when a mindset has become a mind trap?
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  • Ooh, lots of mind stuff in their mind. So mind trap mind control. I'm all over it. So you might need to get your passport for this Adam cuz I'm gonna take you on a trip to the trap.
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  • All right. I'm good to go. So there was a cultural event that happened maybe two three weeks ago, probably unbeknownst to you. But it was on Instagram. And it was the verses battle between Young Jeezy and gucci mane. I heard of it. Of course. I had no idea where to look for it. Twitter did not bleed it into my feed. So I completely missed it. It was to 2 million live viewers almost to me. I think it did clip 2 million live viewers viewers on Instagram. Wow. And then you got to factor in all the other subsidiary streams, people streaming it. Is this a is this an annual event? This comes back every year? No, actually, this is one of the great things that came out of the whole COVID situation. So let me let me explain. Let me explain versus first so we can get an SVR. Right versus That's correct.
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  • Yeah, it was put together by Swiss beats and Timberland. What they do is they take two celebrities, they're somewhat equally matched or have
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  • somewhat similar catalogs. Mm hmm. I think it's 20 songs per p apiece are played. And, you know, it's kind of like a friendly battle. Yeah, but this one was a different.
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  • This one had a totally different concept. It wasn't like a like
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  • A rap battle like the old kiss FM Los Angeles days if we throw down against each other, or is it something else? You say that again? You were breaking the ball. I said, is it? Is it like one of the old rap battles from the late 80s? You know, kiss FM, Los Angeles, or is this something else? Is this just pure? DJing? No, no, no, no, no, you actually have the two celebrities there. Yeah.
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  • For instance, they had I think, Patti LaBelle, and, um, Gladys Knight, I think those Oh, wow. Okay, so that's, that's a match and where and what do they do then? So they play one song from Patty. One song from Gladys or I mean, you had Timberland. I forget all the ones that we had the one the biggest one I paid attention to, was the reserve versus DJ Premier. Right, right. I mean, the production. What do you do? How do you win?
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  • The people decide? And how did they decide? I'm just drilling down? No.
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  • No, no, I'm assuming that you This is why we do this.
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  • Okay, it's like American Idol. Where you got a text and call vote. Are people yelling screaming on the floor? No. is strictly social media fault. There's no score kept. Everybody has their own scorecard. Okay, I get it. Oh, this that's even better that way. I like it. It is because it creates a bunch of who actually won. And it's people score. It's like Boston. I mean, the best was like now it's like, Well, how about it could be boxing or politics. It's the same thing. Everyone? Yeah.
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  • Depends on how you're counting. Yeah.
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  • Exactly. Was this done in the pilot politician voting way? Or was this done in the boxing way? Yeah, it was done in the boxing way where everybody has their own card. Got it? And you might score it.
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  • Let's see. 11. Nine, or, you know, because it's like I said, me, excuse me? Uh,
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  • yeah. 11 cuz twin is 20 songs. And they run them down one back one against the other. And this is amazing that you never heard me cuz this is big. This was like the biggest
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  • a celebrity event.
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  • quote unquote, flat. You can see, are you confused with Adam from 20 years ago? Who was supposed to show up and see that? No.
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  • lead over it? No, not at all. Man. It did not you're gonna be sir. Once we get into, you will see how big it was. So I don't want her. So to give background, we have Young Jeezy and Gucci Mane they are to trap rappers. And some may say they are the king of trap. And this is what this was gonna decide. But they also have a bad blood between them. So that's what we're going to explore. And then also we'll explore the the political implications and the social implications and all of that. So I didn't think I don't think anybody covered it from the point that we're gonna cover it from. So
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  • but I guess we need to warn people. This is a popcorn wrap. So I guess we need to put one people at this point, some viewers may find the following disturbing. Viewer discretion is advised.
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  • So we always try to keep it family friendly. We get a lot of comments. I certainly try hard. I know you mo you barely cuss. But this may be a little, a little more on the edge because of the content because of the clips. And that's just a fair warning for those who want maybe want to screen it before you let your kids hear. Correct. But I will say this is very pertinent to a lot of people's kids because as you know they're watching trap rap is the most
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  • widespread form or genre rap right now. So it's not like your kids are not exposed to this type of music. So
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  • we're actually this warning is for you parents as a trigger warning when you find out what your kids are actually doing when you're not looking. Got it. Correct. So what we want to do is get into a little background about the trap itself. And this is Atlanta 1.1
  • 9:18
  • is Thomas Welcome to Atlanta, the city to visit to hate and drug trafficking hub for the East Coast and the homeless.
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  • Trap Music. I cried
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  • when Robert rabbit used to be able to smell the dope
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  • you should be able to see the fucking dough cookie. You should be able to visualize and see that shit.
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  • Lana's history is intimately tied up in transportation. When it started, it was at the end of all the railroad lines in America, then Sherman came in burnt those onto the ground and they just kind of replaced them with highways, and plop the biggest airport in the world on top of everything. So that's basically where every road in the East Coast comes through, which makes it an ideal spot for drunk travel. Ah, hey, off the bat, we're getting to the good stuff.
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  • So we're back in Atlanta. Yes, exactly.
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  • Ah, that was Curtis snow. And he's famous for making, I think the Netflix movie, snow on the bluff. And if anybody wants a visual representation or a
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  • account of what the trap is, you may want to check that movie out. And of course, it's the adult content. So just be aware. But as he said, it's very chaotic. The music is it's very gritty. And it was birthed out of the trap house. So the trap house is similar to what they used to call the crack house.
  • 11:29
  • And the trap itself is basically the drug drug subculture, and Atlanta and other southern states. And I want to juxtapose that because I'm from the south. So we didn't really have the project building is like in New York and those things, you have more
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  • neighborhoods and houses and that kind of thing. So that's what became the trap in the drug trade.
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  • And that's
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  • those city blocks or those those streets. They were just it was all drug trafficking. So that whole area was the drug track for everything that was going on there. Yeah, and it's not the whole neighborhood you might have one or two trap houses in the neighborhood but we're gonna get a further explanation but I want to set people up to see where we're going here and that's like they said at LACMA is one of the main hoes because you have all the major
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  • interstates right? Run through Atlanta, right? So that and then you have the you know, the largest airport airport in Atlanta. So all of these things play into creating the trap. So what would you give a
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  • little background on
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  • the environment and how it birthed the music and then how the music birth these to an artist, and then their conflict is going to be a microcosm of what goes on in these communities. Okay, so good. This is decoding the quote unquote, urban CNN.
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  • Alright, so I guess we can get into Atlanta. 2.1 man's Give me one point to keep hearing about the trap. What is the trap?
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  • Is what it is? trap. So you can count up in
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  • one way in one way? Yeah.
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  • Yeah.
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  • That would be a trap going. be just what it is.
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  • Yeah, it's a trap. It's just a trap. That's why it's trap music. Exactly.
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  • Studio. Is he going to get his hand in hand? You can't have one without the other candidates. Without the studio without the dope. The dope
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  • rap.
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  • Now know what happened when the guys from Detroit came in like BMF. Do you remember?
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  • parties everywhere?
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  • No, everybody had
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  • everybody. See what the move was with the money.
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  • And with the money
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  • all you had to do was go gold. And he had you know, put someone in.
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  • Okay, I have a question. Because I'm a big fan of associating music with drugs. And so you know, 6070s marijuana, we had disco cocaine. We certainly have a rave culture with MDMA, Molly, ecstasy, etc. In tramp watch the dope of choice. Well, the dope that sale is crack and pills. Do you have the drug to use and the trap became prescription drugs Danny bars, lane which is the cough medicine. They pour with soda read of course.
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  • in Mali, Mali is a large part of trap of trap as well.
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  • So I'm please ask a lot of questions because I don't want to make any assumptions because I don't I want to I want you to bounce off from me. Right? Well that way the audience is not are the producers are not lost. I don't make any assumptions. Sure.
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  • So just so you said something interesting. The drug to sell versus the drug that's used so is that to markets people are coming in to buy and they're just coming into the the trap neighborhoods the trap house to buy and they're going away? That's different than not selling to the to themselves.
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  • Yeah, me. Yeah, of course. But then you have, you won't have a
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  • trapper
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  • using crack. I mean, they, they will. I mean, it's the thing called a table habit. So, when, when you're tasting to make sure the potency is there, you may pick up a habit. Mm hmm. But it's not like they're actively smoking crack. Okay, so they have a different appetite than what they sell. Okay, so now I'll ask I'll ask to you simply just because just for my own edification,
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  • what is the drug of choice when producing the music? clean, and weed? Lean and weed and lean was the the cough medicine you mix with soda? The purple and that's what you heard purple? Mm hmm. This is when I saw. Okay, a little. A little sidebar here. Sure. So lean lean came out of Texas. Way back. We're talking about UGK, early 90s. But it didn't really explode into what it is now. Um, until maybe the early 2000s. Sorry. UGK. Yeah, underground kings. Thank you. That's a bunbee and the late Pepsi, the late great Pepsi Lin put some respect on Pepsi name. Um, so these are the godfathers of Trap Music named Scarface from ghetto boys.
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  • They're the godfathers of trap music but it wasn't trapped in.
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  • But the see kebab is very reasonable.
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  • And the down south or artists look to other down south artists for influences. God, they don't really mess with New York artists like they're
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  • so okay. And that's why I say UGK and Scarface loop to some
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  • to some extent from to LA crew. Those are the godfathers of trap Muse Oh, let me not forget three six mafia. You see what's good. I want to get on with mafiosi interesting is that
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  • and and I say this, because the,
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  • the whole rave culture, and you know, DJs, making millions of dollars a year is interesting. Because the DJs as far as the ones I know, are clean as a whistle. They're nerds, they're, you know, they used to study mathematics and crap like that. So they make this music, as far as I know, completely sober. But it's consumed it often in large settings, raves, arenas, etc. and ecstasy and MDMA and Molly. They're really designed for that kind of music. So it's interesting when you have perhaps a different drug being consumed while producing it, versus the people who are listening. But is that also leaning weed for people who are just in who are enjoying trap house trap music? Yes, yes. It is. I mean, like I said, I gotta try some of this lien then. I mean, I
  • 18:46
  • know for sure because I'm experimental mode. I'll do something. And Okay. Well, for one they took it took the the purple off the I think it was activists. Um,
  • 18:58
  • it was the purple when they took it off the market due to Justin Bieber. So when he started, he got to that height of celebrity. Uh huh. And so they pulled it off the market. And I think it was activist if I'm not mistaken. But anyways, basically cops start recoding in little ways known for you. This is when you saw the Styrofoam cups. cups. Yeah, okay. Yes.
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  • These things you probably seen them pop up, but you didn't understand what was. Now Trayvon Martin case was surrounded around lean real and that's why he has iced tea and the Skittles. That thing? Yeah, that mean that popped up? Because that's what they do. They pour it pour up with yourself. You put the I never I've never used lean. So this is third party.
  • 19:50
  • You're reliably informed. Yes. Right. So basically, you have ice you have your cough syrup. You pour up with some soda
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  • sprite is usually the top choice soda and us put a candy in the bottom of it to make it sweet
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  • so that's what that was all about holy crap yeah that's why I want to do this show cuz this is why in wheat excuse me lean got so widespread all across Africa bleen epidemic and the power of hip hop Yes Wait Yes.
  • 20:27
  • This show you the power of hip hop as a vehicle to take a message globally
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  • and this is part of the reason why I want to do this episode and do this show and I have to do it with care. I just don't want to talk about the the battle and we're not going to talk about the battle very much it's just like pre post battle
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  • and the implication so yes, that's that's where ln popped up it is there. Yes. Is or is another Yeah. Okay. Cool. I put in this is drank I think any other names
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  • purple was the big like, that was the most popular one. And you couldn't see I'm
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  • I'm a little after that when trap hit. I was maybe early to mid 20s. So I was still consuming the music. But I had already my tastes had been defined. So track wasn't really my thing. Um, but when you're listening to mixtapes, all you started seeing on mixtape websites is purple, purple, purple, everything is
  • 21:32
  • interesting. while of course cough syrup is a is an opioid Yeah, this it can be addictive.
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  • It's no doubt.
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  • And cough syrup is not new. Because even though I mentioned I mentioned before today, rose up in the 90s. In the 70s. They were drinking it because my dad would tell me about it and it had a different name to it. I'm trying to think the main he used to refer to it. He was like, Oh, no, we were doing that back in the 70s.
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  • Yeah, I think they put some ink off certain to make you sick now if you drink too much. Yeah, well, they also made it harder to buy. And I want to show you another thing. This isn't just me my perception. I have no proof to make the statement. But I noticed NyQuil came out with a product. That was not cough, sir. That was called. Sleepy girl. Yeah, what color was Adam purple.
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  • Thank you. Wow. I remember. I remember my daughter saying oh, I want some is quill. Like what? She's Oh, yeah, she was. Yeah. She said, Give me some give me some z quilon solo cups dad. I'm like, okay, whatever. I'm just kidding.
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  • But that's but this is really interesting, because this is an epidemic that is not spoken of at all. Everyone's talking about weed and heroin. And this is, I mean, I thought this was honestly, the cough syrup thing. Honestly, I'm always honest with you. The cough syrup thing, in my mind was like a, and I'll just use the terms. Okay, white trash, cooking it to make a really poor man's white trash meth. That is my
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  • that's the only real thing I associate cough syrup with in an in an abusive way. Yeah, that was I forgot what it's called. But they put it behind the counter and you can only buy like two boxes at a time. Exactly. No, this is actual prescription and the other thing is, it was prescription. You had to have a prescription to get to it. Got it. Um, but obviously, I mean it made it to the streets in large quantities and nobody asked any questions about it so that lets you know how these farmers some pharmaceutical companies really get down. Oh
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  • you're gonna say something? No, no, no, no, that was just me going.
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  • In the other thing I've learned enough for today. I don't need to know any more 24 minutes a show. Perfect.
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  • All right, so let's not be late with the lane point. But that that's that was a good question about the drug of choice. I guess we're getting right into a 2.3. And what better guide to take us through Atlanta's underworld and the devil.
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  • Double.
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  • Seriously though, the double have spent the last decade working with rappers from some of the city's seamless neighborhoods and documenting life in the traps that gave Atlanta scene and that scene. His name.
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  • is pink city pink city is going up with pink city was on how your street edge wouldn't own Auburn and that was like the last of the Mohicans for like a really rural rolling is Atlanta trout like pulled other shows like
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  • fucking zombie movie
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  • no wait a minute he did discussing certain trap houses just areas in Atlanta that would that would traps I mean that were real trap so I played that clip just to show you that
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  • there's levels to it the rappers that you see that actually make trap music a lot of them don't even go to the real trap sure of course they don't they don't have good passes.
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  • Passes now that's not that's the real thing.
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  • And that means but let me explain what I mean.
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  • Go for 100 passes basically for like artists. So when artists come to town
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  • doing shows because when you do shows you're not doing the big arenas you're doing clubs and those kind of things calls have to be made could taxes have to be paid to get your hood pass so you don't get to see you don't get shot?
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  • Well so you don't get a cost it and your taxes are collected by force got it and what kind of tax Could I expect for who would pass
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  • that would be negotiated by the size of star like I said like I said they had they had what I'm thinking that term they use but basically you had to make calls before arranging visits to that town while everybody know hey it's just like the mob
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  • it is well of course it is. Yeah, let me see drugs payoffs
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  • sounds like organized crime Yeah, and and in that previous clip I think at 1.2 BMF a black mafia family was mentioned which is the the crew of all crews in popular culture but we'll we'll get to them later on in the show. I guess the question I have is a trap house now.
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  • This is where people also so I mean with a trap House have 10 people 100 people I mean how big are these are these mansions? Are these rundown slums? Just give me a Okay, picture. Okay, so what you have normally is, you know, the smaller houses and low income communities. And you don't have that many people. And I can say this own good account? Because I mean, let me say I could say this. I had a very, very, very, very close family member that had a trap house. Okay, and usually what goes on in there is a lot of NBA touquet, where at the time it was NBA Live, when I was frequenting will displace a lot of weed smoke, um, and you do your transactions out of the house, right? And you do the processing? But then you have a
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  • a does the house. Does the house take a piece of the transaction? No, the house is ran by the lover whoever's transacting got it. Right. And then you have several different trap house, one guy might have several different trap houses. And the reason why I say this,
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  • even though I grew up in a middle class, lower middle class,
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  • pride above lower middle class, my mom, my dad was a teacher, my mom and social workers today make a lot of money, but they made enough not for us to have to live and you know,
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  • urban hoods, quote unquote pips, good.
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  • But so but with family and those kind of things, you would go to neighborhoods and be like, Oh, that's a trap house not in Atlanta, there was a specific type of trap house called a bandeau and abandoned house was short for abandoned. So they would go in to abandoned house.
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  • Hook up power water, you know, turn the water back on, with it with the right with the key to the city with the college
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  • and get things poppin so the the my version of this, and then when I was young, is someone would have weed. And then we'd go to that someone's house whose parents weren't there and it could easily be 10 guys, that never girls 10 guys, we sit around we smoke weed, and then we watch the faces of death video or maybe Diana Ross in the round. I don't know why just remember that for some reason. And you know, we see like, oh man, and this is teenager stuff. But what it wasn't organized, but the guy who who had it would also sell to you. So it was I guess a version of that.
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  • And they're really professional because they level the trap houses. I mean, everybody calls it a trap.
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  • If you are a low level dealer you're not going to have your house set up in a way that a real trap star right we'll have it set up. And that's what the bars on the window windows and impenetrable Yeah. safe room in the back. He's got the ladies processing the cash. Um, this is my movie. Right this right that's that's but that's the image of you know, this payment. And it was painted by movies cuz sure the cooking up with women with no clothes on that.
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  • I'm thinking of. Exactly. Yeah, one of those rooms. Because I plan to and then you know, you have. Okay, so you have new jack city ministers Sati showed you how to cook crap.
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  • Yeah, those are not movie videos, basically.
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  • Exactly. So just just to lay it out what's going on here and we're heading somewhere. But let's go. Let's go ahead and get into 2.4 crackheads and Shin Shin another Street. Like it was like an extended stay motel. Maybe 17 or 18 rooms. And only motherfuckers or new adult boys are smokers. So like, when you went in there was like, that was a real trap. Like your enemy. They're not openly gay unless they know who you are. Know what you're doing know what you want. Like around the world, like people are using the word trap. They don't even know what the fuck that means. You just get trapped in it. I don't know. How do you?
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  • Is this a white girl? Yes.
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  • It's an Atlanta concept because Atlanta was developed around railroads there's a lot of one ways and dead ends. So when you pull into a one way or a dead end, you go down to the end of the street where there's some dope it.
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  • That's a fucking shrub.
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  • Because if they draw down on the street, your fucking stone thinks that he may have been paved under to make way for lofts and brunch spots. That Atlanta has no shortage of other traps resisting the crush of gentrification.
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  • No, okay. Got it. So, so the,
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  • the layout of the city, and how the neighborhoods are configured one way is those kind of things. Maybe we
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  • are, yeah, made it perfect for this. Right.
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  • And there was one hotel in Derm. While I'm, while I'm originally from it was right behind the police department, and it was one of those kind of hotels where you pay by the day. And you know, it's kind of that CD thing.
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  • Yeah, but it was allowed to happen. And it's not the city of Durham. I can't I can't remember the name of now, but people from Durban know what I'm talking about. Um, and it was allowed to be. And it was, I mean, cuz like, you can set up a trap anywhere, to be honest, but I don't want to get go down that rabbit hole. But now we have to get into poo and vinit trap music. And there's a lot of argument about this. Let's play the clip and then we're coming back out to see who actually invented trap music in 2017. rap and r&b surpass rock as the biggest genre in the US based on album sales and string. And trap is arguably raps most popular sub genre. That means millions of Americans of every shape right now are listening to music that invokes the cultural legacy and ongoing struggles of segregation, structural racism, and urban violence. When you think about somebody like a TI, right, he talks about the consequences of what it means to be a trapper, and he uses the music to kind of work through that this is really interesting to me how everything is all strapped everything and I'm like, I mean I dealt with my students so it's like you have trap yoga trap and paying trap karaoke trap water. And I'm like, I mean, I am a trap purist, I really need to get a shirt it's just basically me sitting on the porch so to speak and being like shaking my fist like no this isn't this
  • 34:05
  • but I'm slowly but surely coming to you know grips with the fact that trap music is now trap aesthetics because it does have that kind of distinct print that can be used to update or remix other genres that are already in place. But I also wish that folks would also you know, basically give receipts and credit where credit is due just just didn't come out of nowhere attracting just come out of nowhere. You know what I'm saying?
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  • Man, I got to open a trap karaoke bar in Austin
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  • that's just perfect because it's been monetized so much they have a sheet a trap water trap yoga, right when I hear commercials now have trapped me Yeah, when I hear someone say the systemic racism I'm thinking okay, traps been hijacked. Probably.
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  • Yes.
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  • very very long time ago and it started with these two gentlemen in the verses. But so let's just have a quick conversation on who started trap. So some people say to started trap because he had an album his I think his first album is called trap music. But who brings to mind the first Trapper I remember seeing was cool breeze. He used to be an outcast. And he kind of set that model for you know, like the the Atlanta trap trap. Trap boy. So
  • 35:35
  • yeah, so I mean, he is who and then people some people say well Gucci man started and other people say well, Jeezy made it popular and this is where the crooks comes in of who birth trap music.
  • 35:50
  • Also, I want to make one more point and then we can move on.
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  • It always troubled me that it was called a trap. I'm like, Hello, is the Ernie loss. Don't use it. It's called a trap. Right? Your plan with your life one way and one way out. Like the master or Dan, or dead end. Right. So I've never that's why I was it's weird because me coming up. I was Listen, I listen to podcasts and Goodie Mob. And there were from Atlanta. And they looked at the trap as a negative. So when especially the outcome, it wasn't the outcast wasn't their whole vibe to be positive and upbeat. Yeah, but what about but while being realistic? I mean, they didn't sugarcoat it, right? They were like, yeah, we know, these are the things but it's, um, we got to do better, like when they're famous songs would get up, get out and do something, right. So there were always positive. So when I started to hear this, quote, unquote, Trap Music come in.
  • 36:59
  • I had mixed feelings about it, because I'm like, I grew up thinking this. But at some point, crack was made cool. And I think that really gained popularity with JC there was a lot of drug dealer rappers before him. I'm not saying that. But he laid down the blueprint of sell drugs. get famous. Take that money.
  • 37:25
  • Yeah, sell drugs, take that money, get famous. Yeah, flip it and flip it into your music career. Right? And that's how you get out. I mean, it's like get in get your money started label, and then you can be successful. And that's what Curtis snover referring to, you know, the money like drug dealers with fun rappers. They were looking for rappers to fun like, Oh, you can rap. You can claim our set. You can claim our crew we put our chain on you and a chain. It's very important. The chains are people think these chains are just jury. No, no, no, no.
  • 38:03
  • They are very important. You're going to hear why later on.
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  • But that's kind of how this whole thing started.
  • 38:12
  • happening because you had a Goswell bunch of money that will look in the laundry. So it's like, let's start a label who who was really that? You know, I understand the content I understand
  • 38:25
  • the lyrics but really the beats really the music which is very distinct. And who would you say was the beat master that started that intro you had to you had the ADA way come from Miami sub base. And then you had the you know, the high hats the triple high hats.
  • 38:44
  • who started it? Well, you got DJ temp, he gave us the TR flavor trap music. But zaytoven
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  • I want to say
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  • it's a book. You got to get me killed because I don't want to give credit on your credit. That's okay. Well, yeah, it was it was several different producers that that had artists they work with that they've stylized their type of trap. Okay, but I will say zeto there Okay, let me explain this. The trap music that we hear popular now was birth by zaytoven and gucci mane. There was a another trap like shorty red and Gz which was probably the most commercial successful trap music. There is. But it didn't take hold like Gucci man's trap means and they all this is important, but I know people like why are we talked about ranking? Is it too early for me to talk about crunk because that's that I do know. Well, crunk crunk was pre dated. Trap. Ah, okay, which
  • 40:00
  • That was Littlejohn in a Star Wars.
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  • That energy
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  • that was Crump. So but when the lead comes in that doesn't really mix with, with, with the crusher, that's when you get the slow down with the double high hats. Really chopping screw plays a lot into this too. That's from Houston, where they would slow the music down really slow. And this is like the effect of drugs having on the music and the taste. But yeah, so Okay, I don't want to get caught too much into the weeds of it. But that's the history of trap. Now I want to Oh, well, we got one more clip, and we're gonna explain how historical decisions actually created the geographical trap in Atlanta. We talked to Kevin Cruz today about his article and his book white flight to see if we could find any solutions to Atlanta traffic problem. The rise of the modern expressway movement, the interstate highways in the 50s. Really obviously a postwar transformation that hit American cities at the same time. A lot of them are wrestling with issues of segregation. Cruz says there are two ways constructing highways played into segregation making the highway so that it destroys poor black neighborhoods, or make a highway that separates them from white neighborhoods. Local officials have a say in where these roads get placed. And it shouldn't be a surprise that as they're thinking about where they're going to drop highways and destroy neighborhoods, they invariably single out what they see is the worst neighborhoods in their communities. And these are overwhelmingly poor communities. And most places these are overwhelmingly African American or in some places Latino neighborhoods. This split is most noticeable along I 20. A report from the Georgia historical society says that while deciding the route of i 20, the Atlanta bureau of planning said it would be the boundary between white and African American communities with that logic in mind, is how you get the kind of the contorted and
  • 41:57
  • in weird ways in which the highways in Atlanta and other cities take place. It only makes sense if you're thinking about, well, just from a pure traffic facilitation standpoint, we would put them this way. Yeah, Austin, Texas is a great example of that. Where we have I 35. Sorry, no good. Yeah, we have I 35 going right through town and east side is always been poor pips black, that's where I live. And to be honest, we have a bit of a trap problem here. But not so not so much trap houses. But we got a lot of people who got high powered stereos in their cars. And they like to congregate at night. And the bass rattles my windows. That's the traps the trap. That's that's the eight. Oh, wait, wait, that's that's the drum machine. That is the not only the drum machine, but that bass. Mm hmm. That is the signature sound that and a triplet. Haha, that is a signature sound of trap music that thump. Yeah, and you got to have big speakers in your car to play the thump. Yeah, and that's a southern thing, because in New York, he didn't have cars. So you will listen to your music in like, on boombox, our, our headphones.
  • 43:09
  • down south, we we had cars because you had to have a car to get around. You have public transportation, right? Like you do in the north. So the first thing you did was get
  • 43:20
  • a speaker's I don't care how raggedy car, the car or some speakers, right? You had to get some speakers and get across loud. Yeah, you got to have the app. But you know, the crossover, the tape deck, CD deck. Just as an aside, there were I forget, it was in the Netherlands. And it was at the height of my television career there. And somehow I was paid to do an appearance at a car show that was specifically for audio. Now I'm talking.
  • 43:52
  • I'm talking 80s
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  • when it was just starting with the crazy ass amps. And I remember, there was a contest and some for some reason I participated sit in the car for I think it was two minutes at full blast. And I think it actually did something. I mean, here I am with hearing problems. But it was unbeliev it wasn't so much the sound. It was just how how your body vibrated.
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  • And that's part of the sense that cars, and that's so for some people that's desired. My brother, he had a Cherokee, and he had like 215 and it was like 1000 watt amp. And it would it would basically take your breath. Yeah, it was hit so hard. Oh, yeah. So that mean that is a real stupid shit we do as humans, I'm never never cease to be amazed. Well, it's a mating ritual. Sure. That's exactly what it is. You can pull up your
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  • attention. Yep.
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  • attention seeking mating. That's a mating ritual. Irrespective of color. Yeah. So I just want I mean, all these things have subtext.
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  • to it, it's just not I mean a lot of things. A lot of times people just look at the surface and make judgment and don't really want to get into the weeds but that's what we're gonna do. That's what we do here. We were on a week to week basis, show the show basis but specifically this show because there's a lot to get to it. So Atlanta was the mecca of the South.
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  • We you lived in the south, you didn't say I'm gonna go to New York and make it. It was I want to go to Atlanta what is the Atlanta doing? That was the sister city to like Charlotte, North Carolina and Garmin. The same things you saw there how they said the highways destroyed Atlanta, dirt freeway destroyed hayti in turn, it ran right down the middle. So in these next set of clips, we have where the Atlanta and trap
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  • effect is spilling over into small towns.
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  • You may remember the story about four Lagrange teenagers who say they were approached by a gang member those teenagers said no and in turn us the CEO the housing authority for jobs several times and they never gave up. Please say gangs are no longer just an inner city problem and it exists in small towns to the Lagrange gang unit took Fox wives Nathalie pozo through some of the violence street gang areas, and athlete detectives tell you that gangs have always had a place in small towns in a tom the gang unit with Lagrange to tell me the structure for gangs in the city have always existed. A few guys getting together and vowing to protect their neighborhood. Investigators say when known gangs like the Bloods or the Crips and larger cities like New York and Chicago find out about the structure. They offer their support becoming more widespread.
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  • It's a place where children play an innocent scene. It's also a place where innocence is lost.
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  • Police a places like these basketball courts can be a recruiting base for violent street gangs. I will play a basketball and
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  • soccer sound a lot to her house. I do want to be in a gang. 14 year old demand and D on wood art and 13 year old Jaylen Parr Hammond, Dileep Smith say they were approached by a gang member at the Lagrange housing authorities basketball court.
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  • Yeah.
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  • So, so these gangs Well, it started from the north, right when you had all this supply.
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  • And, and it was a saturated market. It's like,
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  • where do we go? So it was a term called going down south in New York and other places, they will go to DC and DC and New York has a rival that mean that still got a robbery that goes on to this day.
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  • Even in Derm we don't really care for New York people. Because the people you came encounter with from New York not all but some wanted to come in, set up shop. Yeah, take over, like a franchise. It was a well wasn't me take over business. It was a drug franchise, right? I mean, have your mom and pops thing going? It's like I want to bring a McDonald's name because I have this all just inventory so I can drop the price down. It's a good one. No, just a thought that crossed my head is that the somewhere along the lines in this episode, people are going to realize how important the corrupt banking system is. This is exactly why you be
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  • UBS.
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  • HSBC, the bank existed, they were laundering billions of dollars. Billions. I've always said the 2008.
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  • The great what the Great Recession.
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  • If we didn't have a drug trade, you and I would not be talking right now. This country, most countries need drugs to run weeks, the system doesn't work without it. And we're talking about, you know, the on the street level, but this goes way up the chain. And it's funny that you say that because that was the height of trap music. Or that was when Trap Music
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  • took his place as the King of rap. right in that very same time. And I was just like, I will love to go back and explore. You know that the correlation between those two happening. There's so much so much more happening than we probably realized that would be a great documentary and probably a life a lifetime work to to figure that out. Yeah. So you can see here now they're recruiting. I mean, just like when a McDonald's or Starbucks comes to town, you have to have employees. So we
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  • are now Yep, go to the basketball court and a housing project. Yeah. And that was the ideal place to recruit.
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  • We can hear more with small town too. And they can't ask No, we can't say no. Because I don't want to is a lot of people getting killed, you still fall gang and gone to so I want to do so they very persistently asked the CEO at the Lagrange housing authorities jaja heard for a job heard says when she realized why they wanted work, she hired them on the spot. We've got to find them something to do. We have to do it. There's just no way I can just send them back out and potentially be on again.
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  • Sergeant Mark cavinder with the Lagrange gang unit knows the streets of Lagrange,
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  • pointing out the graffiti and high profile gang areas.
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  • Sergeant cavinder says rural communities are a breeding ground for well organized criminal street gangs associated with larger cities in search of existing structure in small towns. Okay, you've already got the structure in the foundation. We're going to give you the back end and the support of the rolling 60. Crips or the power rule blood. Sergeant cavinder says they also look out for gang members who migrate from other areas into Georgia and Lagrange they do have their local leaders. But we do have evidence that suggests that there's funding as well as reporting back to and even taking orders from other nationally known gang sets such as the Gangster Disciples, eight, two bishops. I guess at this point, I'm curious. The gangs that trap gangs all black or they're Latinos, are they separate gangs? Are they intermingle? It's I mean, I know it's a lot of questions. But no, no, no, no, it's great. It's well, the gangs themselves are neighborhood based. And I want to point that out because when I graduated in 1999,
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  • I barely knew any people that were in the gangs that we know Bloods and Crips, it was more neighborhoods. You had Brad town, wall town, pew gardens, MacDougal terrorist, all these neighborhoods. But in a year of me going off and coming back to Durham when I went to college for a year came back. Gangs were everywhere to the point where Durham little Durham, North Carolina has two gang documentaries.
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  • That's how fast people come in. And I think this was spread through the federal prison system. Because when you would get locked up and you get recruited, whatnot, they would send you all over the place all over the country. And then you might get locked up in North Carolina and you go to Oklahoma, and you might meet a guy from California there and he might have a Connect but he liked what you got to know claim this or that it's all franchise and you know, bring the franchise back. You hire Are you employees This is how it works. It's no different than any other business demonizing now it's very important business.
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  • Yeah, so you bring your franchise back. say here's your uniforms, you change your chain. Here's your chain and you set up shop and I think that the federal prison system I
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  • I'm pretty sure spread a lot of gang activity one being because in button on North Carolina, which is like 20 minutes outside of Durham is a huge federal penitentiary.
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  • penitentiary Yes. And I think a lot of the gang activity and Derm came from there so
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  • so yeah, so we ablaze over there small a small town so I'm just I'm showing that how these things happen in major cities. I've never owned a shop up I've never understood towns I've never understood why
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  • prisoners go you know, you can be arrested arraigned, etc. sentence in North Carolina, but you gotta go serve in a whole nother state. I've never really known what the purpose of that was. Besides that you don't have a federal prison in every state. I understand that. If you want to be nefarious is a great way to go across.
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  • Exactly. This seems like a huge failure on recidivism. Just that one simple fact putting people in different places where they meet new new criminal gang members and might decide to set up shop elsewhere. And I'm going to foreshadow here because one of the popular documentaries of the early 1990s was a banging in Little Rock HPL Yeah, I remember that. And in Little Rock, it was nothing but Bloods and Crips, right and to myself I was baking powder down. Bloods and Crips get into small little,
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  • little rock. How'd that happen? But we
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  • See later? How I think it happened. Okay. Okay. Yeah, cuz that was a California gang. I mean New York, they had Bloods and that kind of thing. But just to see these kind of things spread it spread through music and I think the federal penitentiary system, that's just my, my, my perspective, my perspective. So I guess we can go wrap up with the final clip from our small town. Investigators say the best recruiting tools are fear, intimidation, and the chance for fatherless boys to feel a sense of belonging to kids who have little to no involved family involvement at home.
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  • You know, these gangs will, will give them that they'll give them that family feeling that you belong to us as soon as belonging, Sergeant cavinder says arresting people will not solve the gang problem. The only way to change the problem is to change the thinking sports activities and people taking time with them other than the gangs or the crime side and mentor them along the way and helping them
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  • help is what these teams got. They keep up the garden, clean the chicken coop and more stable out Trey Hurd knows there are other kids out there who need help. And as hard as it is she's had to turn children away, because they simply do not have the space we lose them. So that's concerning. Because I've heard the teacher say these were really three good kids, but we lost them heard believes there's a lack of programs in the community and feels that they were more community engagement, mentoring and education programs in elementary schools, children would have an alternative but we're hoping to catch up capture them now at five, six and seven. So when they become a teenager that desire to be in a gang is not even there to wrap up on the small town. I like to make a couple of points, one, so I
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  • I was born in Springdale, North Carolina now I moved to Durham when I was like nine years old. But I will always go back to spend every summer to stay at my grandparents and my my all my family center, their uncles still kind of thing. So I would go back. And I remember when someone when I went back
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  • there was this guy named I just call him s right. So s ki lived down the street from my art and my living in a low income neighborhood. And he was like the first in hindsight, the first drug dealer. I saw up close because him and my brother went to school, um, when my brother went to school back in spindle which is a very small town in North Carolina. So when
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  • he like he had a gun and
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  • he I mean, cuz I mean, you don't see my handgun. I never forget, it was a blue nine millimeter. And that was like the most fascinating thing to me a blue gun, right? So, um, and he had a CD player and a Mustang and he always bought food for everybody and everybody loved him. And it's not this. People want to make it like all they're oppressing the communities. El Chapo is loved in his community also was john Gotti I mean, the same thing they these guys were handing out cash to people who needed it, of course, that that's how you run a successful criminal organization as syndicated Sure. And I'm gonna take the alliott handing out cash and I'm going to open on home with the wrapping up the story. So there was another guy that, um, you know, participated in the illegal pharmaceutical trade. And what he would do is so we had this gym that will open and we miss Mr. Monroe god bless Mr. Brimmer. Oh breastpiece um, he would open the gym up and that gave kids something to do our parents were at work or whatever, you couldn't afford a daycare at his summer camp. Now, you will go to the gym, play basketball, uno those kind of things for square, but it was this guy will ride around the whole summer.
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  • He would drop dollars out of his car. And it was like a game. He would come by drop a handful of dollars out and kids was scrambled like wildfire like trying to get the dollars. Sure. And then he'll come back around with the music stuffing. I mean, just to give you the imagery I just like the ice cream man. Just a different tune.
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  • And it's funny that you say ice cream man because that is what Gucci is known for is the ice
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  • cream.
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  • But that was if I didn't have a father like they said in the previous clip that strong masculine energy being a boy. Yeah, yeah, draw me horse. You get it from the gang? Sure. Cuz I'm a 40 year old man and that's still etched into my memory. Like, how cool is that to be able to ride around and throw cash out your window and to poor kids. And I'm sure he was like I'm giving back and I'm looking out and I'm sure he got some kind of ego boost out of it too. To see kids scramble like that but it was like this is one of my
  • 1:00:00
  • childhood memory. So, um, so we're gonna move over now when we're in urban Atlanta, and we're going to move over to Buckhead, this is Buckhead church over in Buckhead, and this guy clay scroggins gave a sermon on mind traps, and the victim mindset. How do you stop these mindsets from becoming mind traps, no one likes feeling trapped. Can you remember the last time you were trapped? The problem is we have these thoughts and our thoughts, fortunately, and unfortunately can create feelings, feelings, both in the here and now. And it's not necessarily what happens to you. But it's the messages that you give yourself about what happens that determines your feelings. And not only do our thoughts create all of our feelings, but the thoughts that defeat us are almost always fraudulent, or wrong or distorted or illogical. And sometimes they can form a cycle, a mentality that becomes a trap. So how do you know how do you know when a mindset has become a mind trap?
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  • There's a ancient Greek philosopher named Epictetus who said this, that we are disturbed not by things, but by the view in which we take them. We think it's the circumstances that are depicted that are that are disturbing us. But no, it's our view of them. That's actually disturbing us. Yeah, that's pretty deep. It took me five decades to kind of figure that out.
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  • So easy to live in a mind trap. So if you say that was he's talking about inside? Yeah. Your inner thoughts. Now say you are listening to music, and your environment is a trap little trap.
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  • And you wonder why these kids and young adults get caught up in this lifestyle? Because like, there's nothing better and this is what politicians sell to them. Oh, there's no hope out there. You know, Unless Unless we help you there's no hope. Sure.
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  • So I would play that clip cuz I was like, and he's from Buckhead Atlanta. I was like, cuz I was looking at mine trap and that kind of thing. And it popped up and I'm like, Man, I'm gonna say this to people.
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  • Through this process, would I not? Do the the groundwork for the clips and everything? It's amazing.
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  • I think it's called synchronicity. Yes.
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  • Of what is the eyes of a Reverend? And Buckhead, Atlanta and Buckhead and Bankhead that knows have a connotation to it too, because Bankhead is the hood. Yeah. But my cat is rich neighborhood. Right? And it was a clip and just to give a just a mute music low a tidbit of music. There was an outcast first CD. The guy was like, Yeah, I got these off of the folks off in Buckhead. So I was like, That's amazing, man. He's preaching over in the Ritz out Atlanta, about my traps. Yeah, when you have the actual trap, right across town in Bankhead and you know, and all the zones in Atlanta, so but I just wanted I wanted to share that so I know people like I thought he was going to talk about Jeezy and Gucci. This is the by had to lay all that out.
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  • So you don't just look at them as rappers entertainers trivialize them now, just hopefully now people understand and humanize is what we like to do here. We like to humanize
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  • people and not make them in just a
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  • figureheads. So which which is exactly what almost all media does, even if they're even if you're trying to do an honest documentary just that turns it into just the nature of a documentary turns it into a dehumanizes people strangely enough All right. So now we get to Jeezy and Gucci so this is going back to an okay and what we refer to all the meat I apologize for all the
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  • Mute the music bed I know it's probably killing a lot of people and I want to strip it out but that just been too much work to try to do it.
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  • So this is going back to the vice series noisy in Atlanta and this gives us the some some background on Young Jeezy
  • 1:04:30
  • quality Sound Studios the home of QC label this amigo says label and it's run by coach Kay, who's there dancing in front of the console. He is the Migos manager he kind of discovered them. He's also a Gucci man's manager. And before that he was Young Jeezy's manager he is sort of like the traphouse impresario like the Tony Wilson.
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  • I don't think trap music was really born until we put out Jesus first mixtape
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  • Which was the street is watching and then we put out traffic. And I think after that people got Jesus running rapid man. He was like, awesome CEO shit. He wanted to be masterpiece. He was a street nigga. It's like he was respected in the streets. Yeah, think about this. If you put out some white music in the street has no respect. They're gonna be like, Oh, you want to wrap it? No, he was rude. You know, they came in a game a millionaire. I'm not gonna test it.
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  • Well, God never officially signed with BMF he ran with big Meech and his crew during their heyday in the early 2000s. Pac Man by mafia fan base with a lot of money to tell Jesus you got to start talking about this shit. Music. Once he understood how to do that shit. It was always it was the soundtrack to the streets.
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  • That Jeezy hit that Thug Motivation one on one classic album, classic album. That was what kind of brought me into respecting trap music. Because what he did with that album
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  • when you want to say okay, sonically and
  • 1:06:14
  • the level of just quality music, he killed it. I mean, this thing was
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  • I think onto itself he had the the snowman t shirts, which they ended up banning. Alright, I remember that. Yeah, that band came in he had a mixtape follow up saying can't ban this. No, man. It was so widespread. Cooper. Do you familiar
  • 1:06:40
  • with the album? Yeah, it was mostly shorty read. Um, but there was a host of other different producers on there. Well, but the biggest contributor to the atom album was a shorty shorty read, which that's why I said he had a whole different brand of trap. And this predates the Gucci man current trap that we have this really very simplistic. This was like a very lush sound bed of Samson. They had the Lowe's and it was just a very high quality product, just from the musical standpoint of it. And that's what gave trap his credibility
  • 1:07:17
  • as a legitimate genre. Inside sub genre, it's not a hip hop. So So much so that it influence Kendrick Lamar and on Kindle and Mars good see a good kid mass city. It basically it's a I want to say like a maybe like a documentary album. What he does is he highlights
  • 1:07:41
  • what they call ride and so when you're a kid and you're poor, you don't have a lot of money.
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  • You fill up the car, and you have your favorite CD or two and black and mouths maybe some weed
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  • and you ride and freestyle and and what I did was I was able to collect all the skits or some of the skits from that album, and we're just gonna listen to him and his friends interact around that the motivation one on one album
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  • pack a bag in a big city get a free sales rep.
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  • I think he is
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  • pretty good.
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  • I think we should push back to
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  • what
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  • I'm trying to be the negative
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  • to kick back as Alibaba way to roll out the commission
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  • report
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  • back at the Black Panther
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  • meetup
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  • back down
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  • I can give me a little context of what I would have been seen. So I mean, this is audio cuz it's on an album. So what you have is a group of friends
  • 1:09:32
  • and album he explains it more. So you have a group of friends and this is just an everyday conversation,
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  • conversation and actions. Like I said you get your opinion in the reason why I relate to this because this is what it was you got some blackened miles you freak them that's where you take all the tobacco out and then you take the inner lining out and then you put put the tobacco back is commonly known as blunt. No, but it's not a blunt because you put the tobacco back and this is before
  • 1:10:00
  • You might you put it this way
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  • you put it, you take it out, you put it back in, you take it out the tobacco and it has this thick inner lining paper inside of it, you take that out, and then you put the tobacco back in. pools. Daughter. Yeah. And it gives you a head rush.
  • 1:10:19
  • And you will smoke like two packs of these I mean, you can afford we like that. But this is this is the route so you riding around and you have beat CDs and, and you freestyle and we tada freestyle and you will listen to your alma choice. And at that time, like I said, I was maybe 2526 when Jesus came out so I was past my rotten days. But I could relate to this. And the reason why I played this clip was deep all the way in Compton, California, and Jeezy in Atlanta, had an influence on him and his career by this album, so much so that he, um, let it be known and this skips to this classic album, good kid Man City. So I'm just gonna I'm showing you how I got it. I got lost but right. Like I said, last time I checked, I was the man on the streets that was like a quotable. So when you get a hip hop, quotable. That's like scripture.
  • 1:11:19
  • Yeah, I mean, that that there's no other way to put that slide. You've you've provided scripture to the hip hop. Culture. Yeah, you're saying that wasn't one of the many. That was one of the many quotables from that album. And his ad libs. I mean was crazy. Like Yeah, you're saying so anyway, so I'm getting caught up so anyway.
  • 1:11:42
  • Yeah, cuz i mean it's it's nostalgic for me um, but
  • 1:11:47
  • we're gonna get to the background of Jeezy and
  • 1:11:51
  • Gucci man s'mores that was Jesus comment somewhat back I'm a bio so we're getting to a Gucci man's now. When did Gucci man start coming around to see at the same time he's at the same time I want to just record again he walks up on say you Coach K. I'm like he said I'm Gucci man.
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  • I'm the guy you've been looking for. With Jeezy at the top of his game Gucci man the up and coming era parents. Coach K decided to put the two together in the studio to work on a song a song we all know as though I see a studio that man I swear to god he sung that hook so I see
  • 1:12:26
  • a hook all day. I told you man like let's try this shit. You know I'm saying this shit might be crazy. This hook is melodic you know. So then zaytoven comes in
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  • Beethoven is one of the first of Atlanta's super producers and the principal architect of the trap music sound when I first came here when I got my first hit the so icy with Gucci man and Young Jeezy. It was very Bay influenced because I was just moving from you know, the Bay Area. So if you listen to the music if you like that don't sound like no producer that came out of Atlanta. You know, I mean, cuz I was fresh out of the Bay Area. I was cutting here at the barbershop Gucci man called me like a man as a Young Jeezy. Wanna do a song with us? I haven't made a beat. So I ran home made him at my mom's house made the beat in like five minutes. And then we went down to the studio to meet Young Jeezy. You know, I'm from the Bay steel so I don't even know if a woman like my beat. So when we play the beat, they didn't even wasn't even feeling it for you until after the doula wheels on the hook. You know, the audio good is that was used to her dad and to be going together. Then you start looking around a studio. Everybody in the studio got a pen and paper trying to write and get on the
  • 1:13:39
  • mat. So this is where Jeezy and Gucci mans up paths cross with this classic song so icy, which they had never performed live into the verses. That's why this was such a big deal. And you're probably wondering, why did they never perform this online? Yes, Mo. Why did they never perform this song? Well, so I have this next set of five clips. And this was done by this suburban kid I forget the name of his channel. I'm sorry about that. But reason why I chose him to tell the story is because this shows how street happenings make it into white suburban America. So I wanted that perspective.
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  • To explain what the real story behind Gucci man and Jeezy. It's 1998 and Roderick Davis, better known by his rap name Gucci Mane is 18 years old and he's about to graduate high school. He was selling weed and cocaine to make money and decided to go to college because he qualified for a scholarship. He continue to make money and sometimes would record songs to mess around in the studio mostly as a hobby. After going to college for about a year doing computer programming. He would get caught selling cocaine to an undercover police officer
  • 1:15:00
  • He was given 90 days and probation. He lost a lot of his money and was kicked out of school losing his scholarship. He had some time to think about if this is what he wanted to do or something else. Upon finishing his son's college, he decided he should just release a mixtape since he was already getting good at it, and he's been rapping since he was 14. To use the little money he had left to finish the tape titled Gucci Mane the flair presented by straight drop records. He slapped them on 1000 CDs and passed them all over Atlanta. This will work out extremely well for Gucci because he started gaining buzz pretty fast. He saw an opportunity and decided he wanted to start his own label where he would recruit other artists as well. Around 2001 he met a barber named Xavier because one of Gucci's homies attended the same barber class is Xavier made beats and was trying to make a name for himself as well under the names they Tobin
  • 1:15:50
  • So a couple things one
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  • zaytoven By the way, so recognizable when you hear that it's like oh shit and zaytoven to what what is the the distribution method? So you got the mixtapes and I remember this being a big deal, man, this guy's me everyone's got this mixtape.
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  • What, what is the commercial distribution method? At what point? Do you start making money with your music? Is that only when you get
  • 1:16:19
  • a distribution deal from from a label? Or does everyone try to go and start a label themselves? Or I mean, it's just
  • 1:16:27
  • I would rephrase the question. How is it consumed? Is this music mainly consumed?
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  • in the neighborhoods?
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  • On handouts, CDs, mixtapes, etc? Or is everyone running Spotify? You know, or is that or is that when it goes mainstream? And that's when the rest of the world and that's where the real money comes in? Do you understand what I'm asking? So yes, so this is pre YouTube whenever you
  • 1:16:51
  • want to understand smartphone boom, really changed things. And this is pre smartphone. So people weren't getting online and listening to YouTube or SoundCloud existed at that time, the main method of distribution was the trunk of your car, right. And that was the turn of the trunk he was saying stepping out the trunk, which was popular last by none other than the great masterpiece which we got to put some respect On masterpiece name. Because he show all these young guys, you don't need a record label. Go straight to the customer and wanted wanna come in give you hip hop quotable here. He says 15% can't even pay my mF and rent. That's what masterpiece told him. Like the little money that the record labels are trying to give you all this bull crap. This is. So two things one, beautiful, because that's exactly what we know.
  • 1:17:48
  • With our value for value model. And the other part is, it's a total call back ironically, to how the record business started. In the 50s. Commercial top 40 radio, it started with people selling records out of the trunk of their car at gigs anywhere they could do it. It's it's an interesting throwback. But it was not lost in the south because you had the chitlin circuit. Yes, they have a network of clubs. And of course the clubs changed but the influence was don't. And if you were able to get a buzz, then you can start doing shows at these clubs. And this shows the entrepreneurial spirit of these talented individuals. See everybody wants to paint them out to be at service dogs or whatever else is like no is Jeezy was. I mean, I legit millionaire
  • 1:18:43
  • before he even got into rap. coochie man was a scholarship student and a coder. Yeah.
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  • Yeah. So this, if it had other routes, there will be
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  • stars and that is just like this is the only thing you had in this. You know, this is when the CD a CD ROM came out the rewritable CD ROM first came out so that changed everything because it's like now you don't need to buy it actually prints tapes or prints albums. You know, you could buy a thing was like the one that used to print like 10 CDs at a time. Like for like $500 if you had one of those, and then you go by a computer and able to record your music and a clause I'm speaking from man, I'm telling you hotel personal experience. hotep Jesus has the right idea by getting Bitcoin into this community. He's got the right idea. Yeah.
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  • Yeah, that's exactly what it is, is whenever you give us something and I just one little small tangent,
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  • whenever you give
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  • black people quote unquote with pips
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  • Anything we turn it into something else you got to think about it spinning yarn. My brother the beat machine was not made for what it was used for the turntables was not made what it was used for. The sampler was not made what it was used for. is like we take these tools and like you know what we can flip it bounce it and create something totally different even the vocoder same auto tune as we call it now. Yes. Yeah. The auto tune Yeah. Oh, the NOAA itself was a different piece of equipment. And they showed up in you know, series
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  • around it past 20 years old or something. Next thing came up, right? Yeah. But they showed up in posh shops and we're easily affordable but that's why I became the weapon of choice for a bedroom producers. Yep, cuz it's something that the original what it was originally meant for. It was but it was a this is cheap like this. What you see in a great example was um, hustle and flow. That's, that's a perfect example of how hip hop careers was start is a couple pieces of equipment microphone. Boom. You often you often one, but we continue on with the story of the real, real Gucci man and Young Jeezy Part Two around the same time in 2001 Jay Jenkins, who was known as low j has just stepped into the GA scene and was gaining buzz as well. Much like Gucci Mane he spent the last few years trying to build a label. Though Jay was in deep in the streets selling weed and cocaine. He was said to have over a million cash before ever considering music. He had a ton of money and was always interested in music, but initially never wanted to rap. After a few run ins with the law and having a new baby. He wanted to focus more on his label and began building a studio where he could manage artists under he would sign his first few artists and start the label Young Guns entertainment. This was going good for a while but eventually their main artists would catch a murder case and get locked up leaving no real talent to lead the way. He had dropped a ton of money in his studio and into his artists so he wasn't going to let it go to waste. He changed his label name to CT and he decided to start rapping as the main artist. He dropped his first tape thuggin under the influence in 2001, which featured little john is a producer and an immediately got a small fan base. Since little Jay had drug money to fund his tapes and new people and music. He would get all his music played at every strip club in Atlanta, which back then was a massive way to get your music heard. He went around Atlanta getting his music played over the next couple months. He decided to change his name to Young Jeezy and continue to drop back to back mixtapes like Trapper die with DJ drama until solidifying himself in the Atlanta rap scene. He did this until 2004, when Def Jam signed him for a massive amount of money. With gucci mane and Jeezy leading the way in Atlanta wrap, it was only inevitable that a collab would come soon.
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  • Nice, good stories like this, I want to I want to take this, I want to take this time to point out this is the reason why atonement is needed. I know people say Oh, here he goes.
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  • These young men has to resort to a legal activity to get the starter money up for what they really want it to do.
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  • It's a bunch of young men out here that have great ideas, but don't have the capital to get it off the ground.
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  • Well, allow me to say something about that. Yes, you're right. On the other hand, having come from, well, I, I'm certainly middle class, upper middle class. But having left home and school etc. to
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  • build that starting capital yourself. Now, obviously, drugs, maybe not the best way it's a faster way the the payoff can be much higher the risk, you know, the risk reward situation. But so that I'm responding to this because you say atonement.
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  • It's a very different thing for an entrepreneur to start and scrape those first few dollars together and build and build and build and build and it it's more than just the capital that you build the you can do what you really want to do with it. It's the process and the appreciation for hard work making smart decisions, whether the activities legal or illegal doesn't matter. Right. So I would say just so we're clear from my standpoint, yeah. This is a crap way that there's no other or that apparently no are no other avenues to do that. Yes, that's the key word right horse parently. So I'm not currently I'm not saying that this should be handouts is what I'm saying. It's like just because someone has a great idea. A toman doesn't mean handout. I think we're no we agree on that. Right? What I'm saying is if they had the capital to start a business, then they wouldn't have to start. Go here. Now. Well, I want to make you a great point. That's why I run the bill. Apparently. So we're talking about people that are stuck in this mind trap. of this is the only way to do it.
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  • This is what you've been told this is the only way to dare you go. And this is this is what they say about getting it from the mud. You know, you have to get in there and get it from the ground up. And we you tell people were the only way you could, um, another quarter, we had to get a call to
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  • be honest, this show is for me today. I'm loving it. I'm loving it birthday show, this is a birthday. This is a birthday shout to myself because this is a hip hop show. Not that the hip hop show. But this the shares a lot of a lot of what makes me so because I went through that not the drug selling part because I understood the bigger implication that it was a trap. And it's like, those odds are not in my favor. No to you know, make out flawlessly. And that's why these guys are celebrated. Because we you beat the system, no matter what the system is. These kids look at you like of course. Of course. Of course you're here. Oh, sure. All right, right. So and the reason why I'm saying about capital is Mikey said you to get the producers to pay beats and studio time, it wasn't like it wasn't is now where you had to actually I mean, you couldn't, the equipment and quality of recording at home is nowhere near what it is now that the quality of music that you can get out. So and with paella, which you're familiar with, I was interested. So because I've read about it, not that I've received it. No, no, no, no.
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  • No, what I'm saying that is a root. Of course, it's a real thing. But it it just to be clear, the payola stuff is rarely as RIT was rarely ever cash maybe back in the 50s it's always perks it's
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  • if you're if the station is corrupt, and the station will get advertising buys or so called independent promoter will put on an entire show for the station in the stations name and will actually pay the artists and will only take a small cut to the station actually makes money with zero investment. Now, these are all parts of the payola scheme no pay cash. And in this industry over here, it was straight up cash. I'm not speaking on something I've heard this is something I know especially for those DJs that play like the late night window where they had a little bit more freedom what they could play. It was me I'm talking about the urban radio station is cuz I like from like 12 to like five in the morning. No, I mean, do you play what you really want to play? So w BLS Frankie Crocker price you can shake a hand and slot a couple of $100 in like get your stuff on the radio and then the other pay all the way outside when I say pale I'm not just speaking about radio stations. They alluded to strip clubs, right?
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  • You can slide the DJ you know a couple 100 567 $1,000 and he will he will play your music and then club and if the strippers dance to it and this is why the relationship between the strip club and trap music is so strong and this is why you're seeing strippers be legitimate
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  • legitimate
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  • under Trap Music air under the under the trap music era because they go hand in hand yeah got it. That's your your test market as well as your your Launchpad not even test market. Yeah, it was more of the launch pad because it's I mean, if the girls didn't dance to it, then you knew your track suck. What That's true, but then if you end up making what they call a movie, and that's the track this plan at all. Let me go find out who that was. And I'll go you know, in Are you in the parking lot, but that was my song. You know, you sell not to Trump. So I'm just I just want to point that out that this is the hurdle and I want to make it clear one time we're talking about in the mind trap. Oh, this is my only way out. Yeah. That is the that is the real crime here. Yeah, of tricking young people into believing that there's only one there's only two ways sports are this. Well, that's another quotable Notorious BIG ad you got us a slang rot or you got a wicked jump shot. Yeah.
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  • I mean, that's that's pretty much the mentality that is like sewn in and in you know, the, quote, quote, unquote, urban community, so we can move on. And now we I think we stopped at three I believe. With gucci mane and Jeezy leading the way and Atlanta rap. It was only inevitable that a collab would come soon. In 2005, Gucci Mane and Jeezy would record two songs together the first time
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  • was black teas, which was a response to disenfranchise boys hit song YT and the second song was so icy or just icy, so I see what go crazy in the streets almost immediately, and would then be featured as the main single on traphouse one. The song was such a massive hit that even high schools across the country banned the iconic snowman t that Jeezy wore in the video. As time went on. rumors surfaced that Jeezy may have been upset with how things went. Although it's still not 100% clear why Jeezy was upset, we can assume it has something to do with the fact that he wanted the song to be on his upcoming album, he quickly took to the studio to release a diss track titled stay strapped where at the end of the song he would put a $10,000 bounty on Gucci so icy chain
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  • Jeezy would start to distance himself from Gucci and cause some strain on their friendship. Gucci would also get upset at the fact they could never perform their song live, which he felt they were missing out on a huge part of promotion. Because once again, this isn't the days where live shows made a huge impact on getting your music heard. But Jeezy didn't stop and he continued to be. Over the coming weeks the petty beef would turn into something much more. One summer evening Gucci would go home with the stripper after a party. Just a month after the spicy hit dropped. Five men stormed the home where coochie was saying armed with pistols brass knuckles and duct tape. They were getting into a physical altercation pistol whipping the stripper and hitting Gucci in the face. One of the men allegedly yelled shoot him. Wow. So this was the bounty for the chain. Damn. This is where the chain comes in.
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  • Two parts murder with allegedly sitting around are centered around a chain because somebody tried to snatch his death row chain. Right. And that's the footage you see in any other closed circuit.
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  • Yeah, yeah. Yeah, cuz they'll death row chains. Like I said, Every crew had a chain. And it's kind of like Capture the Flag, if you want it to. And you even see it to this day is capture the flag and then now they go on social media and show it all aha got your chain? You know, do you have to pay a ransom to get it back? And that's like the one of the most disrespectful things like because for somebody to take your chain off of you. They had to be close to you. Yeah. And what it represents is like I can walk into anywhere I own you know what it means I own you. Yeah, I got 20 bucks to walk around with that kind of jewelry on 2030 $50,000 worth of jewelry in one chain. And like, you know, you don't have to tuck it because that's like the I mean, that's what Friday you remember Friday, when I read forgot the tuchis chain and Bebo took it from him. I mean, this is these are real, real life applications you see in movies, but yeah, getting your chain smashes by one of the most disrespectful things that can happen to you. So I don't want I don't want to belabor the point. I know we're probably running. You know, we've been very conversational. I, honestly, I really love this. I don't care how I got all Saturday and Sunday morning, brother, I can keep going this is great. Because it's it's a side of music, that while I was kind of doing other things at the time,
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  • but all of these things that you're talking about, I recall or I remember some bits and pieces of
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  • and from an MTV guy perspective.
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  • You know,
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  • there was a very different view of hip hop into this day, I would say a very different view of hip hop from the mainstream media perspective, which is probably the one I'm more more familiar with. Because it's number one single dad rapper number one single dad, that's the only way you get attention for crossover. ads. Yeah, you get a Pepsi ad and those big companies like latch on to you but nobody really. And I'll say this, then we can jump right in the four.
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  • This is pertinent because you're seeing dead rappers pop up now. mode three,
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  • King Vaughn, and a host of other names or rappers. They're being gunned down
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  • right now, and some overtrained steel. So it's not like we're doing a history lesson. This is a
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  • peek inside peek inside of what's really going on now. So with that say I guess we can go and jump into four upon realizing his life was at risk. coochie Shopback. Some people say he reached for his gun, where other stories say he may have disarmed one of the men and took his he shot the gun killing one of the men as the others ran off three days would go by until someone found the body of the deceased man in the woods behind the elementary school. When the smoke cleared, authorities identified the man as pooky lock one of Jesus prodigies under a CTE label. After nine days Gucci Mane will turn himself in claiming self defense. He released a statement saying he's not a murderer, but he was scared for his life.
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  • He had to be a man about it. The case would later be dismissed after his eyewitness confirm that Gucci acted in self defense when five men tried to rob him, going forward Jeezy was still deny any involvement with divani. Despite pooky lock being directly tied to him in a CT level, Gucci Mane would go public saying he suffered from PTSD from this event, and we'll shoot jabs about it in his raps He was later one of the most famous lines he stated was this
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  • to continue this feud for over 15 years until November 19 2020, where they were put in the same room as each other in 2020, during the World pandemic of COVID-19. Record producers, Timberland and Swizz Beatz would start a webcast series titled verses with rappers unable to perform this was a great way for hip hop fans to watch their favorite rappers go head to head showcasing their hit songs in a battle light competition after Jeezy was invited to the show. He requested to go up against Gucci Mane thinking it would bring good entertainment seeing the long time for you to go head to head. Oh, okay, now the veil is lifted. Okay, I get it. I see what's going on. What was that quotable mo I couldn't quite catch it. Which one? The one in Oh, oh, go Go. Go dig, go dig your partner. But she can't say it. So he's talking about and they do say pooky lock was Loke. It was whenever his LLC is pronounced Loke. But that was the god so Gz allegedly, let me let me make sure I don't piss nobody off. Allegedly, the story is that he sent put a bounty on Gucci chain, the ice cream chain. And these five guys who were close associates to Gz went to go.
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  • Yeah, I mean, because if you get it, then that gives you automatic credibility. And can you just translate this to translate? Can you just because I can't hear it? I can't hear what's being said here. This
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  • your partner up? And I bet he can't say it.
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  • Okay, gotcha. So basically, I killed them. And you're saying if you want to say something to go dig him up.
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  • And very nice, very gentlemanly. It's not and the crazy thing and this is why this versus now we're at the versus
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  • these two men in Magic City, which is the club in Atlanta, the strip club in Atlanta, the world famous strip club in Atlanta. Oh, what happened?
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  • No, no, no, no, it's Majesty the madness.
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  • That's
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  • right.
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  • The place to be and I heard they got great wings. I got I got
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  • good authority. That will be the only reason I go is for the wings. I mean, I'm I'm so this is the setup.
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  • And you got Jeezy on stage? You got Gucci on stage? People don't know what's gonna happen.
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  • Is Cray. I mean, this is what Bill This is why 2 million people tuned in, of course sissy. Is it gonna explode it to a brawl? or What now? Was this a completely non mainstream commercial event? Were there advertisers sponsors? Or was this completely organic? I know, every urban or hip hop related content creator had multiple videos have videos on it. Now, I don't know about commercial as far as I didn't. I mean, I don't watch very much commercial TV. I didn't see any like ads for it. But verge like I said, When versus hit when versus say they go to say a versus is a big deal. Yeah. I think the lowest when I seen maybe have like, a couple 100,000 people live, you know, that's pretty that's a pretty significant, very significant.
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  • And then you talk about, Hey, I think 2 million with the record, I think this was the record versus and who and who organized this? Swiss beats and Timberland super producer in hip hop. And it's a genius idea.
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  • So and then one of the other ones the funny one was a baby face and a teddy rally. That was hilarious. So
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  • how old are those guys at my age now, aren't they? Right?
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  • Yeah, so um, I guess let's get into five and see what happens that this versus after the show got closer shots were already being fired, mostly from Gucci Zen. days leading up to the show Gucci would post memes on his Instagram about pokey lock as well as insulting Jeezy's outfit that he wore for his upcoming album. As the show went on it we gained over 1.8 million viewers on Instagram alone. It started out slow but things would inevitably heat up as the rappers played hit songs as well as some of their old diss records. By the end of the show, they would make history when they perform
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  • Their hit song so I see together for the first time in 15 years after the song was performed, the two would have a brief but wholesome exchange of words. It led many viewers to believe this was the end of their long lasting beef since the show Jeezy has spoken out saying he feels better hoping they could put this all behind them since then, rumors have come out online about a possible collab album coming soon.
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  • Okay, so promise.
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  • At the beginning of the verses, it was very tense, because Gucci man actually did the two diss tracks. Talking about Jesus dead homie Damn.
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  • Yeah, I mean, cuz here's the thing.
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  • He says, I mean, cuz we, I guess we
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  • were at a point where we can start looking at who Jeezy and Gucci is to Gucci Jeezy was always the corporate minded person, he really didn't want to be a rapper. He wanted to be a CEO of a record company. But he bet on himself, because like because artists kept flaking on him. So he, you know, he became gotten in front of the microphone, and started recording music and he blew up there.
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  • But he always had that corporate mentality. And I think that's why record labels really embraced him. That's why Def Jam gave him a huge deal puffy, Jay Z, they all put their arm around him. And he became a fixture in the music industry. But he never had the popularity of a Gucci man who was strict like, cap trap. And what I mean by that is, he was actually from the trap. And when he became famous, he stayed in the trap. So and that's why the young artists like a Migos Young Thug. All of these guys came up on the gucci mane. So it was every talk of music wise Jeezy had the better music, and probably had the biggest Biggers
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  • was that the highest higher heights, but we talked about longevity is Gucci man because of his organic beginnings and staying true to the streets in the trap. So, but now, hopefully they do do a collab, I doubt they do a collabo. But that will be nice to see. But it started out very tense to be able to begin that versus Well, I'm excited to see how this unfolds. We're not even halfway yet or just about. Right. So speaking of collabos I think we got one of the best collabos in well in podcasting.
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  • And you want to remind people what the mo Faxon Adam Curry show is about Yeah, we'll do that with this beautiful clip from Malcolm X. First, the white man in the black man have to be able to sit down at the same table, the white man has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings are both Negro. And the so called Negro has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of the white man, then they can bring the issues that are under the rug out on top of the table and take an intelligent approach to get the problem solved. The only way to do it. And today's episode of Moe facts with Adam Curry is more an educational process than a comparative process, which is I think of paramount importance. And thank you for humanizing, as we said. And as you mentioned many times, I'm very excited about the rest of this show. And you probably realize that this kind of program, its length, the topics, the language the way Moe and I talk, which is just like two American men who want to understand stuff and learn from each other, not really compatible with canceled culture, Black Lives Matter ink or with commercials or any corporate money, which is why we've chosen for the successful format known as value for value. It's successful because the producers of the podcast are the ones who keep it running, you get value out of it, all we ask is for you to return that value. It can be in a number of ways we like to say time, talent or treasure. In this case, we have a list of producers, our executive producers and associated executive producers and other producers who put this together for us and have stuck with us regardless of time schedule. And we we published but I think it's appreciated how much work goes into this, how much time efforts, thoughtfulness and then for us to be able to discuss the way we do and keep it going. It's really a testament to these producers for helping us so with that said let's start off with thanking our executive producer for episode number 55. And we start with James Irvine, who sent us $250.99 and he has a note, just love this show. This is a white guy this gives me a wonderful insight into the true meaning of being black. It goes so much deeper than I ever knew or even ever had a clue about Thank you Moe and thank you Adam for cluing me in in the morning. He says Jeremy Jim Irvine Night of the RV and a to the MS.
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  • All right beautiful.
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  • familiar name here with $230.33 little magic sauce dipped on top from Sir David Foucault's odo mo anatomy says the education continues. Thanks for doing the work. I use the information you bring up almost daily, most of my American employees are black, we've had a lot of great enlightening conversation, some of the more interesting chats have been around the difference in skin tone. And I would have been lost if not for the education I've had from the show. Are you familiar with the term high yellow for light skinned blacks? Mo? Yes.
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  • poly high yellow. And we may talk about this one day, but I'll be quick with it. So how yellow is
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  • it's a little different than by ratio.
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  • And what I mean by that is, you see, I'm trying to think of somebody or you could refer to as high yellow or red bone.
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  • It's, it's not that light skinned that you get from like a biracial, a relationship or a child who biracial means it's more of a
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  • you have Halle Berry, she would be considered by a hot yellow. And it's pronounced yellow. I don't know why, I mean from the south. I don't know why, but it's high yellow. So that's, that's, that's what high yellow means to me. Well, David said, he said I did. He said many of them are very active in the Masons. Is that true? The high yellow?
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  • Yeah, cuz, well, you got to go back to what we talked about with the brown paper bags.
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  • Of course.
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  • That's very familiar, familiar, familiar, as well. But he wants to know if that'll be a topic in the future. Well, sounds like we will touch on that for sure. And he continues anyways, keep up the fantastically useful inform and inform informative conversations. It's been a while since I've donated So could I get a D dead beating and a refreshing of mo karma? Yes, you can, my friend.
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  • I don't know how that relates. Yeah, I mean, when we say pips it means in quotation air quotes. Can't wait till all the citizens of the United States of America are at the table again. So happy officer Drake turned in his badge and gun in this episode, especially considering how much more money in satisfaction the character will get in the occupation of private investigator IE podcaster in pips, so Bo Jaiden is our president elect Saturdays and our future moment Adam, please keep my keel even as best y'all can get to the table and you will get served especially at Thanksgiving. They're very poetic, Joseph. And all I can say is, we'll see. I think January 20. I'll know if his blow giant is our president or not. Donald rose do counting there's almost a there's still
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  • there's more than this that going on. Donald Ralf also $100 to the OFAC show. Thank you. Hello, mon Adam, love your show and enlightenment. I'm a no agenda night and learn value for value from Adam. I'm making attempts to catch up on episodes and value in return. Keep up the great work, sir. A fake Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Yes. archive.mo facts.com gives you a beautiful overview. Oh, yeah, I wanted to mention, we are podcasting two point like 2.0 compliant with this show, which means you need to get a new podcast app or at least try one out until yours gets up to speed new podcast apps.com. We now have transcripts inside of the podcast apps themselves. So if you're thinking Hey, where did Adam and Moe talk about something you can give an example go to pod friend comm use that you can even use it on the website, or just as a web app. And you can search the transcript of what we said inside each episode to find exactly what you were looking for. If you want to review something. It's pretty cool.
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  • Now we slip into our associate executive producers $50 up to 100 john Taylor double nickels and the dime $55.10 with the bbg group we say indeed by blacks guns thank you that's a good start. Aaron BG
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  • always give blacks cuz Yeah, he didn't want to be BG I don't know what how did how did that get messed up?
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  • I don't know it's this weird mandela effect where he's a Mandela, I think it's because he's not the only one that said that before they I know what it is is because of build back better is the three B's I think people are getting confused but yes it should be gbg which is give blacks guns? Well what depends on what solder University room Oh, so maybe we're just on a different side.
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  • Maybe Maybe not greetings and salutations as Aaron KEANEY. I'm a tomo convert, which means Aaron came to us via Tom Woods no agenda to mo facts note about Cynthia McKinney. Yes, we talked about her. I'm not saying there was not fraud in her 2002 primary loss. I was 11. So I was not much in the know, but we lived in her district. At the time, I can attest that there really was considerable republican crossover. As I remember, she ran unopposed for a long time and that year finally had challenger in the primary. Yes, that is true. My parents and all of their republican friends voted in the Democratic primary for her challenger in Georgia. You don't register with a specific party. So when you walk up to the vote in the primary, it's easy just ask for the Democratic ballot instead of the republican ballot or vice versa. Perhaps the Democratic Party put up a challenge because of her indiscretions, at the very least having a challenger that Republicans could vote for provided cover for any fraud that may have happened also, I hope your theory that Stacey Abrams is going to going down with the ship is correct. I know democrat establishment Schumer etc. wanted her to run for the Johnny Isaacson senate seat and were miffed that she had bigger aspirations. So there's certainly motive there. love y'all thinking of you? Stay thinking says Aaron. Yeah.
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  • You can already see a moment I you were texting. yesterday. The setup or the the alley is there for the OOP to have her holding the bag. Whoops. About that lingo.
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  • Alright, so we're coming out of the donation segment and straight into a throwback block. So this is from the show the shoot is number 48. And this is white Mike. So I want to we don't have to linger around a long conversation in between each clip. But I want to play these clips to give context for the affer mentioned trap music. And then it'll explain a little better the second half of the show. Now in this time I learned a lot of beautiful things about a lot of beautiful people. I learned a lot of ugly things about myself. And I learned a lot of dark things about the nation in which we live. But I also learned that I being white Mike specifically the white part have a lot of power.
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  • Mike has a question today. And that's this. How come when you turn on the radio in Jacksonville, or New Orleans, or Chicago for little rock? The only people on the radio that talk about how great it is to kill each other, are black.
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  • How come that exist 15 stations on a dial go up, go down. The only people on the radio bragging about getting automatic weapons gunning each other down, are black. This right here is a song. My pastoral vocabulary won't let me read the title.
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  • But I will read this catchy young black male not paying attention that the red light with your ak 47. Let me see you shoot it here a killer. You're a killer. You're a killer. You're a killer, black male? Let me see you prove it. Why does this exist? Oh, this is a great series of clips. I've often used this as an example with people so I won't spoil it. Yes, I want to
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  • play this just to show that how it's normalized.
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  • The acceptance of the behavior that went on between Jeezy and Gucci man. And not only that, that's why I chose the person that did the background of their beef as a I would assume to be a suburban white kid, a white young man. Oh, it's totally accepted. And I just, I couldn't get to the next clip, I just want to point out to people, all the terms that come out of trap rap and bleed over into everyday society like Turk and Draco and, and her ball and chopper purple lane. I mean, do you think it's just and it's and it's really, really see it show up in advertisement to show like some kind of credibility. So I just want to say that, I guess we can get into the second white mic clip. I'll take it even further. Because a lot of time racism exists in what we in what we don't know what we don't see. Where are the white killers on the radio?
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  • Where are the white ak 47 shooters? Where the white drug dealers? Where are the white people on the radio that brag about what it's like to murder witnesses before trial? The truth is they don't exist. And the question is why? Why don't they exist? Do white people not kill people? Do white people not use ak 47 to shoot each other? I mean, we know do white people not do drugs and they're not do drugs? Of course they do. But why is it that doesn't make it to our mainstream radio? Why is it that we don't hear it hundreds of times a day in hundreds of cities across the nation 1000s of plays that say the idea that a black guy would kill another black guy is something to be celebrated. Something to be romanticized. Yeah, well, that was playing since I've already heard this is a throwback to Episode 48. The only white song that comes to mind about a white guy killing a white guy is Johnny Cash.
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  • That's how long I killed a man in Reno just to watch him die. And oh, gee, Johnny K. Oh, gee, man, very Oh, gee, I got to think about if there's any more. But yeah, so weird.
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  • And it's just totally accepted. Like I say, I just want to lay this out just so people can really think about in hindsight, what we've discussed, as a whole culture, and Wise's accept it and like, and I'm guilty of it too, because I enjoy rap music. But when does it?
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  • How does it build the cage? That is the mind trap. So just think about that. And I guess we can get to the third one. And maybe that maybe it's because there's no white audience for it? Or maybe it's because it's not really marketable. Maybe because it's not good. Can't get sponsors. I don't know why it is. Or maybe it's because it's just not the white man's role. Or maybe when white people get up and talk about being drug dealers and ak 47 killers. Maybe it's even sicker than that. Maybe when white people do it, they're accused of acting black. The truth is in America, black murder is normal. Black murder is normal. The idea that a black man or a black woman would be involved in a homicide, either as a perpetrator or victim is so common, so broadly accepted that basically goes unnoticed. The truth of the matter is black families are affected by homicide rates of 10 times their white counterparts. There will be more deaf in the form of homicide involving black people this year than any other form of violence that dominates our national conversation. More than school shootings, mass shootings, mass shootings, workplace shootings, lovers twist lovers trips that turn violent and buddy even more than in war and in terrorism, no one will lose their life at greater numbers than black Americans involved in violence. You know, Blackbird in our country is not only comes not only frequent, but it's an idea that we celebrate. It's an idea that we say is is okay. We actually make heroes out of the notion he rose out of people that trivialize and romanticize it. Every time I show this information, people always say well, it's the number three cause of death for white males. What is the number one cause of death and without fail year after year, it's called unintentional injuries, accidents, falling off a four wheeler or crashing, you know, a go kart or you know, bungee jumping without paying attention to you
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  • No knots and things like that. So basically the American story is white kids are dying because they're clumsy and black kids are dying because they're gunned down
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  • so put To put this in perspective cuz you imagine carrying Justin Bieber guns down one of the Jonas Brothers
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  • progress but no I can't
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  • now let me just say this that's how
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  • either accepted and warped the trap mind is compared to the mainstream media music do you know let me just relate something I know we didn't want to talk too much in between these clips but comes to mind
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  • Ted Demi Ted Demi is the guy who really started yo MTV Raps with
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  • Ed lover Dr. Dre different Dr. Dre. And Ted, because I watched this up close and I was fascinated by it.
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  • And I always got the feeling that Ted is no longer with us. Sadly, I wish he was because man, the guy did so much for the music. But to me, it always felt a little bit like let me help these these black people get their success
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  • in it sounds kind of weird, because I know it came from a really good place. And he really wanted to expose the music but the time that then that's why I said it much earlier in the show. Yeah, we've got to get the the urban cnn people have got to hear this, we got to get that out there. So it was really encouraged. It was encouraging, discussing exactly what's happening on the streets. And of course, you know, once that's encouraged, once that becomes a hit then comes the money then it's Hey, we want that you ain't getting you know, you're not putting that record out. Not that happy sunshiny stuff we want this. So it was an industry from early on before trap really.
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  • And was weird thing about it. That's why I said that my taste was different. And I looked at the word trap, and the whole culture differently because as you say, I grew up under
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  • root, it was one thing to tell the story and not sugarcoat it, and be district descriptive. And so it has the appropriate amount of impact. What we saw with trap music was the quality go down the intelligence go down the being a caricature of
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  • basically
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  • hood culture, not even know not even hood culture. It was going back to the days of blackface,
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  • right? Oh my goodness, yes, it cuz it's, they can't even pronounce words correctly. And that kind of encouraged them to say this. And then we can get straight into the next clip. But one of the things I noticed about Charlemagne,
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  • he says straight scream.
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  • Um, which is a normal curse in the south. Because like I said, and we get roasted for it. But nobody says anything to people from the islands that says, tree for three and that kind of thing. So but what I'm saying is to be a trained broadcaster, and you can speak to this more than I can. They would normally work, excuse me, but normally work that out of your speech to say, straight Street. But he still says great his screen, which I think he holds on to as a dog whistle to be real.
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  • code switching, of course, what's not even code switching? Because he doesn't, no matter how he's when he says he always says, scrape and scream, right. But I'm saying does He say that on the radio? Or does he say that in private too? That's my question. He says, All righty, I don't think that that would be even weirder. Well, that's what it is. If you're performing in blackface, then that's what you do you do that on the radio, maybe not privately. That's I don't know the answer if he's doing it around. And I saw this crop up in the music of the mispronunciation of words. Uh,
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  • on purpose, I would say cuz and I say I say this one, I think plies Jamie Foxx called out plies for this, which prizes a popular rapper from that era of the trap when the trap music first cropped up. He thought he was gonna meet and he you know, he has a real heavy Southern accent when he's in an acting. So when Jamie Foxx said when he went to go meet him, he expected him to speak the same way. He's like, Hi, how are you doing?
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  • So it's different. I have a southern accent and I don't want to get rid of it because that's just who I am.
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  • And I also
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  • Speak somewhat different in conversation, because I want for clarity purposes. I don't want people to not understand what I'm saying. But I don't go out of my way to change the way I speak. So I'm just saying that I noticed that there's this thing of dumbing down that came in with trap music. And I'm all in on that point. Now we don't have maybe two shoes today. He can't get away with it. Nobody, nobody would put out there. But we do have black people to get on the radio every day in Why don't companies Why don't stations with white owned sponsors that play the role of hyper sexualized, hyper criminalized male? I asked these advertisers say I've gotten hundreds of songs a day that celebrate killing animals, will you put them on your station visit? No, I got hundreds of songs a day to talk about assaulting women and and abusing kids. Would you put them on your station? They said no. I said I got hundreds of songs a day to talk about murdering blacks. Would you put them on your stations? They said Well, that depends.
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  • Depends on what who is done by and who it's branded for. Because we can get black folks to sing about it. We can brand it for our youngest black audiences. I think there's money to be made. I think there's American appetites to see these people that way.
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  • Yeah, that's that's a money clip right there. So I'm gonna make one point. Just one small point. We saw this not waiting for money sake, but for voters site with booty to the poll. Yes.
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  • So I'll, I'll just leave that. If you ever seen it, go, look, go listen to our thinking about last show. But go or maybe it was 53, I believe. But go look at booty to the pole. They used that mentality or tried to communicate cake to black men on that level of depravity. Which if you're a sex worker, that's mean more power to you. I don't knock say Episode Two. Yeah, so it's 52. So with that with that podcast and 2.0 at work there, sir. No, no, that's Adam Curry, who's just has a has a photographic memory of clips. Okay. But it's like 2.0 is coming. Yeah, no, it's coming. It's coming. But you can use it for that function, when it's up and running. So I guess we'll just go and wrap up with white Mike. I said, How can you say that? They said, Well, look, it's what these artists know. It's what they black people create. It's Matter of fact, our survey say it's what they want to hear, which makes up a sickness. How do we live in a society where somebody says, You know what, I'm inspired to write a song that celebrates murdering another person. And then a person says, I'd like to put that on my station, other person, I'd like to pay for it. And then there's people out here in the audience that go, I'd love to hear it. As long as it's black guys, because even white people buy rap music, buy this type of stuff. Because we know that when we want to hear about killing each other, we know who to turn to, for that type of inspiration. We call it our music. We say we own it. White people buy more rap and black people. Yeah, but we're very careful to turn it down at the stoplight when other black people are there. Why? Because we know we're just pretending for them. It's more authentic and real. I always ask the companies What about your name? What about your brand? What about your value? And the largest radio company in the world said this, it's okay. That we only have drug dealers on our black youth stations. We only have murders on our black stations. We support black charities we give out water at the Martin Luther King parade. I think we've got it covered. We bought them off. And it is it is really black radio, isn't it? Yes. And it's all radio to be to be honest, but it's really radio it's not Music Television is not it's it's radio radio is so important. And and the reason I say three three Yes. And the reason I say this is because if there's one industry that I personally have helped kill and bring down and is the radio industry because of podcasting. And so for them to to hold on to anything that works they will promote the shit out of it for as long as they can to keep that going as long as they can. Because the culture is radio listening and they just tuning into their audience that's sadly that's also capitalism. And to go back to what I was speaking about about writing was before you could afford a CD deck in your car before ot cords and blue suit connection Yeah, the radio Sure there you had the radio and the radio is really a monopoly because they said play the same seven songs all the stations mean over every hour on our Yes. So.
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  • And I want to make one last point. When you said about white rappers. We saw post malone came out of the trap. Right?
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  • But when he made it to top 40 star, his musical content change. Yeah. Now what's about maybe clubbing love, fall in love that kind of thing. He didn't rap about Draco's and choppers and all the things that uh that he went he made his way up through the trap. So they don't that was that is not accepted. That is not accepted to have even m&m the same thing. Right. He was. He was rapping about like Munchausen syndrome and in his hate for his mother so that you don't really have a
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  • industry push. Why artists that are you know rapping about killing people.
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  • In May well killing
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  • in the way that black black artists are right, so I say all this I set all that up to say,
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  • to point out this special guests that showed up to the verses to stop by to deliver a special message. Yes, real quick. Thanks for coming to verses, we got a special color for you guys right now coming on. Hi, this is Stacey Abrams.
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  • How you doing?
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  • Thank you for letting me crash before what I know is the battle to end all battles of versus to end up versus so thank you for giving me some street cred with my nieces and nephews. That's right.
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  • Okay, you wipe my rabbit clean.
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  • Look, that's the job that the governor could do. But you know, we'll have to think about that later. But for right now we can at least make sure that everyone shows up to vote. So we have two senators to make sure we have COVID response and we've got stimulus money coming back to Georgia. They're right. That's right. We got baby, let's get a ga you know, we go stand up for you. Thank you. Well, I just wanted to say thank you to both of you, especially for the work you've done to encourage
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  • folks who are coming back returning citizens, they have the right to vote, I've got a younger brother who's been in and out of the system. And I know redemption is real. And I know that the voices that these men and women can bring to our state matter and so thank you for the work you've done. No question. Laura Stacy. Oh, boy. Well, that's that ruins the event. When I saw that, yeah, it got to be a show. Yeah, you gotta be a show what was going on right now? Do you think Stacy talks like that all the time?
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  • Maybe I wonder maybe I'm not sure. I can't I can't call that could not be I mean, I'm more street than she is. I mean, she's Council on Foreign Relations. This is crazy. Oh no, she's that that's the that's the real guys. Right? That's the real calling and just to say good works on her way to go by Kikuyu that keep them keep them keep moving.
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  • No, but that when I saw that I was like and then Gucci man. Hey, can you get my record clean? Yes. Because I don't think he was in on it. Uh, he wasn't read into what was going on? No, cuz and but I want to point out another thing.
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  • Notice how they refer to her. Gucci Mane says Miss Stacy, as more like a formal thing. She's he says, Hey Stacy, right?
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  • That's a little too familiar for me. Mm
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  • hmm. Good catch.
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  • These are the kind of things I'm like, oh, Cassie, where this is going. And it was Jeezy that was the one that was invited to be at vs and then he picked Gucci Mane to be his co star right. But when I saw that I was like all captive audience to me and people beauty shoot comes right in. Don't forget to vote now. Let me know about your record going to incarnate about cleaning that up. But
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  • yeah, go vote now. Maybe we'll see another time.
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  • Man, amazing. So and so this thing. I was like, Okay, this thing was so widespread that eaters showed up on the um, I forget her name. A lady on Sirius radio. Oh, Karen Hunter Hunter, Karen Hunter. He shows up. She covered it on her show Gucci man Gz.
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  • And
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  • is weird seeing you in the vs with Jeezy and gucci mane of the night? I just I just want to just yeah.
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  • I was like, that's the car in the exact Stacey Abrams popping into it to a strip club.
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  • She popped.
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  • What does that say about our culture that could be a sitting governor could be a sitting president could pop into a Gucci Mane versus a Gz. very tense. And what most tense versus is is
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  • what what brought you to the table?
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  • The only thing that would bring me to take would be the young people. Chair. That's not the car, the young people. That's all they were that the young voters. Let me say it for him. That's their only concern. How can we manipulate these voters to make it seem like we're there for them?
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  • Yeah. And now I'm going to go out on a limb here like this, and this is what I do.
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  • Ti is done.
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  • You know, the Democratic Party was trying to use him right. But he has so much stuff going on and he had made so many missteps, that they need a new
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  • track representative for the Democratic Party
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  • and steps Jesus
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  • He's the new representative. And that's why they were grooming him. You remember that picture with him and Joe Biden when Joe Baez?
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  • Yeah. What was the response to that? Did people say what the hell or was that? Oh, they said what the hell but it wasn't amplified, though. As if, when little Wayne went to go talk to Trump because he's talking to a Democrat. That's completely acceptable.
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  • Even though you know,
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  • okay, I won't spoil it. But yeah, so, uh, so you have this you have Gz and I feel like they're, they're there. He's now going by. I think it's a J. Jenkins, J Gz. Jenkins he's going to his kids going to do is Todd Smith face the same thing LL Cool J went through so when you start getting called by your government name, that's you're distancing yourself from your a celebrity.
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  • Or how you came into the, to the to the game. So yeah, that's what they're all about is the votes. And that's why me so much.
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  • So much for so much for this Oh, organic spur of the moment, things seems pretty, pretty premeditated, to some degree. very abrupt. Very premeditated. So now we have post Jeezy posted verses and he goes on I think is
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  • hot 97. That's what Ebro when Rosenberg, the guy that just is
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  • irks me. So he's talking to them about?
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  • versus, can I want to, I want to ask you about something that made me feel really good a few weeks ago, can you tell us about my favorite picture of the of the last month or two? Was you in conversation with Joe Biden? Can you tell us about your conversations with Joe Biden and then how you and your family took in the election as well.
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  • The conversation with Joe Biden was
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  • you know, I was I was owning, I was excellent, because I want to see if he really understood
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  • his position. He was honest, um, what I did,
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  • you know, I kind of really appreciate the fact that Kamala Harris is, you know, almost like his work wife, because I feel like close to the culture to actually understand the thing about is everybody like, how can you support them the drug laws and dessert and what they did and people and I'm just like, Yo, man, I'm not saying it's the end all be all. And I never said that. I'm more. And I'm going to ask you a question. Now, Paul, I'm I'm more I'm You mean, Peter? Getting one? So you worked at Def Jam full on
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  • my Rosenberg's? Yeah.
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  • But I'm Rosenberg's? Yep. I'm more happy to see my coaches see that. Every little bit counted. And then we made a difference together. Like we got out here and got people to vote in Georgia changed to blue. And I was just happy to see it because it was so many people. I was like, yo, we got to vote we got to vote is like my vote on count. Why would I waste my time? And just to see that, you know, it made me feel good. And then back to the Joe Biden thing. I was really just acting real courses. And I want my people to know like, sometimes you really just got to be at the table. Oh, man. Okay, meme after meme in this one. First.
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  • Rosenberg All right, nice, smelly, anti semitic reference. But also who, who posed the question.
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  • Was Rosenberg was Rosenberg correct? Yeah. Then
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  • he talked about his coaches.
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  • So that was interesting. So whoever said coaches he wanted to show the coaches what he could do. He thought he said the culture I thought he said coaches Oh, the closure. Now he said that culture now then. Culture now? Oh, yes. Well, of course he does.
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  • He and Stacy
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  • represented
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  • and Camila Jo's work wife. Oh, man. Yeah. He really had amazed that. I mean, it's that's not acceptable. What he said, no one. No one buys that crap.
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  • Not at all. And the other thing is, he says that he had a lot of questions for Joe in the sea of giocare. And he kind of poopoo this and he didn't
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  • you know, those
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  • black man, innocent black man, you know, you know, not like that. But I had real question for Joe like, Am I black? Vote for you? Yeah, he went mad. He went up there. She showed us culture card and said this is who I am. You know me I represent the culture. Let me just check. check you out, man. So it was kind of an approval. And then the last talking point was we need to be at the table table. Yeah. Oh, that was good. The table. So that leads me into the bob Wilson clip that you snagged and shared with me.
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  • These, these leaders, first of all, you cannot generalize about the black community any more any other people, we are not monolithic. We have a difference in education difference in income. And when it's convenient, we generalize the black community. And we use the demographics of those who are living in the most troubling situations, we use the demographics of, of incarceration, of low income, housing, we use that demographic information to make a case that All Blacks are suffering. And then when the money arise, it goes not to the people suffering the problem. But those who are providing service. For instance, in the last 50 years, the government's had $22 trillion in programs to aid the poor 70 cents of all those dollar go not to the poor, but those who serve poor people, they asked not which problems are solvable, which ones are fundable. Then you have black elected officials, many of them are veterans of the civil rights movement, who then came into political office, they were the ones who were dispensing those funds. And listen to this, two out of 10 whites who, with college degrees works for government, six out of 10 blacks, with college education works for government, which means that the vast amount of money that has been spent on the poor that has produced and reinforced dependency have been administered by a lot of middle class blacks.
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  • That's your systemic racism right there. And can you point out something speaking of synchronicity, look at the title of that clip.
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  • Yeah.
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  • at Atlanta leaders, abuse of demographics hidden. Atlanta leaders, holy crap.
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  • I wanted to identify something that I'm sure is just from, from my perspective, the term culture, I'm seeing it pop up in advertising. It meant meant as the code I mean, I know, I know, like, Oh, hello, I'm just seeing it. But I've noticed it the past, I don't know, past month or so I've just seen this term culture pop up in advertising.
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  • Yeah, do it for the culture. stuff. Like that's, that's, that's the quotable, that's the hip hop quotable. from Jay Z.
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  • I did it for the culture. I mean, like I said, these things when, when these quotables Take Take care, they're powerful.
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  • They go for generations. So So we have, so that's what Jesus has fallen into. He's falling into that group, just by perspective of he's gonna say that they tried to use ti for this. And like I said, ti has so many other things going on. That ruin that kind of ruin his chances of being that
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  • hip hop political leader. So now I think they're grooming Jeezy. And excuse me, Jay Jenkins, let me let me get it. Right. Right. Yeah. And he's married to a Asian lady from the view, which I think was a power move planet. Lady from that view, but the real the real
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  • is gonna say okay, ah, power couple. Yeah, so they've tried to make a political power couple, I believe. Um, so just just keep on so now he's got a follow up. gz. So I mean,
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  • I saw and then and just icing on the cake. He came out with a diss song right after this, this thing. Little Wayne and 50 cents. Oh, but Trump goes yeah, Gee, I wonder I wonder why.
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  • So, how sick, sick is that? I didn't realize that.
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  • That's just nuts. Yeah, none of this is by happenstance. Oh, no, no, it's not. Now you understand why I laid out the trap and the trap. Yeah, it wasn't about the verses. It's about the two trajectories that these stars these celebrities own. So now that's where Jeezy is headed, in my opinion. And now this is Gucci man. And he is a this is a conversation he had with Charlemagne about his transformation. Yeah, I was telling you, man, when I read your story, it's like the evolution of Malcolm X and a lot of ways you did it all. But you must mean
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  • I went out. Well, you know, I can't say I'm as disciplined as Malcolm X. But I do I read that book does one of my favorite autobiographies and it definitely inspired me because I read when I was in prison and I damn from you sound like he couldn't really really good he opened up the dictionary to a and just start reading it in our stuff. He was going through in prison and you know to do he had and now like, given them gang. A lot of things he went through. I feel like you know, I share some
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  • Those experiences don't just walk in prison that made you start picking up just books and reading them. I think it started with, like, fear, anxiety, paranoia from like,
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  • you know how much time off in the game. So out of run into reading out, I was kind of like a mouth trying to find some solace in, you know, this shows a lot of pressure on me is like, I run up and down the stairs, I read a book, I try and do anything to get my mind off from, you know, feeling like I know the future because the future seemed like it was going to be bad, you know. So I just kind of like focus on what I could do now. They'll kind of give me a little piece thing feel about it. And now you feel like I have a set of rules I had to live by. If you do this to me, I do this to you. If you say this to me, I do. So as always, I'm justified. You snitch on me, I push to hurt you. You steal some from me, I'm supposed to come to your house. And you hit me up with teach you but you know. And then it gets to the point where you start like, well, she, I'm already into it, which I will going I'll finish while I'm waiting for you to hit me for so it is just a terrible place to be. A lot of that is great rules, though. Yeah, don't say this, that I had a set of rules like that I like follow to the tee. But I made myself follow these rules. I nobody say this, what you got to do these what I feel like this house is the person I want to be this what I want to be held to the standard. I'm going to start at the end and work my way back. When he went to jail for the last time he made a total transformation. Physically. I mean, when he went in, I think he was saying he was like 85 pounds overweight, addicted to lean. Oh,
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  • yeah, no, no, no, he was addicted. I'm listening. Yeah, he was addicted to lean and unhealthy mentally. And he changed himself. And he blamed nobody for he was like, I was like this, I live these rules and the rules he laid out the street rules is that mine trap. And he explained,
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  • I felt if you did this to me, I need to do this to you. Right?
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  • To practice about it, you know, preemptive strikes. So
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  • but when he went in, he transfer on did this transformation similar to what Malcolm X did. And I'm not saying he's the next Malcolm, that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is, you look at these two men,
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  • and the path they're taking Warren is saying, uh, you know, going through the politics, which Jesus laid out the point, he's always been corporate minded, being part of the structure the apparatus, and you have this guy, Gucci man was independent, this kind of thing. And then he goes in, and he does his complete 180. To the point where he comes out and shape on top of his business, I mean, complete, utter change. And it was, he changed himself.
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  • And if I had to choose a path for so called black man, it's changed yourself. I'm going with the Gucci Gucci man message of don't wait for somebody to change you change yourself, um, be reflected on what things that don't work for you. And that's why that's why I'm just, I wanted to lay that out. So you probably wondering why somebody like Stacey Abrams, and a Dr. Carr and Karen Hunter, and all these people are, are
  • 2:28:34
  • wanting the influence of these celebrities? Well, not only they're not celebrities, they're street celebrities. I have the answer for you. Okay, you want to say something before we ask any questions before we go? I know I said a lot with Well,
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  • I mean, why? And that was kind of obvious. They they want to, I mean,
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  • what I heard Stacy saying was Indiana encouraged you to vote. So you'd think that but I have a feeling it's bigger, maybe deeper. It is deeper 29. I knew that the great lack of most of the big name Negro leaders was their lack of any true rapport with the ghetto negros. How could they have rapport when they spend most of their time integrating with white people? I knew that the ghetto people knew that I never left the ghetto in spirit, and I never lived it physically any more than I had to.
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  • I had a ghetto instinct. For instance, I could feel the tension was beyond normal in the ghetto audience, and I could speak and understand the ghettos language. There was an example of this that always flew into my mind every time I heard some of the big name Negro leaders declaring they spoke for the ghetto black people. After a Harlem street rally one of these downtown leaders and our ghetto hustler is forever frustrated, restless and anxious for some action to talk over the ABC, CBS or NBC microphones at Harvard or Tuskegee, I could talk with the so called middle class name
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  • grew up with the ghetto blacks from all the other leaders just talked about. And because I had been a hustler, I knew better than all whites knew. And better than nearly all the black leaders knew that actually the most dangerous black man in America was the ghetto hustler.
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  • Why do I say this?
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  • The hustler out there in the ghetto jungles has less respect for the white power structure than any other Negro in North America. The ghetto hustler is internally restrained by nothing. He has no religion, no concept of morality, no civic responsibility, no fear, nothing. So this is why they're clamoring for the support of street celebrities, right?
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  • Because if they ever can change their mind, like malcolm x, d, you got it, you got to remember Malcolm X wasn't Malcolm X, but for a very small portion of his life. In that small town, the potency is kind of a control thing. When they have to control the minds of the street people, because they realize
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  • that they can change their mind, then they come off the plantation. Right? So okay, so. So it sounds like there's not necessarily good things in store for gucci mane. If he pushes the envelope too far, I don't like to put that kind of negativity out there.
  • 2:31:22
  • But if you start changing people's mind too fast, you've seen it happen over the course of this show, you see what happens? Exactly.
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  • Are you? Yeah, they come, they come for your, um,
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  • your image first. And if they can't get your image, and that's the thing they could that's the problem with Malcolm X, because all his stuff was out there. All his previous life was out there. Oh, if you want to juxtapose that, to, like, Martin Luther King, right, his image could be damaged by whatever secrets he had or supposedly had.
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  • Then it goes to, you know, it's like the silver or the lead kind of thing. First day BRAVIA with silver and if they can't change your mind and a little Labs is the option.
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  • But I don't want to put that out there. But I just want to show you what is this is why
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  • the inner city,
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  • black man,
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  • or the
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  • want to say interceding I want to say something. It's something about a person that says, you know, what, I know the risk of doing a said activity. But I am going to take my own life in my own hands because I can't live in squalor. Sure, and I can't live in poverty. So now, like you said, if you could take that same mentality, and weaponize it with actual knowledge, it's very dangerous. That's why right now Malcolm X is way more potent. He wasn't reading Martin Luther King, notice no naka, Martin Luther King, but he wasn't reading Martin Luther King when he went to prison, right.
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  • It's because Malcolm X spoke the street lingo. And he spoke to the street people, and he never lost that connection. And I think Jesus man has the same potential. Because the young kids love him, he still had the career to this day.
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  • The young people love him.
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  • Because he never he that tether is there, you know, he never severed that tether.
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  • And I know it's a lot to take in. But no, I'm following along. I'm just wondering if we're gonna get a MLK versus Malcolm X type split here. I don't know if that's in the cards.
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  • I don't think it's in the cards, but I'm thinking these are representations of these are. I don't know if icons, the right word, but these are representation of the two kind of black men that exists now. Right. And so clearly, the one who goes reforms himself comes out with a different attitude, different message, no longer mine trapped. Tis a problem for Stacey Abrams.
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  • He's a problem for a lot of people because you're talking about ruining the bottom. Yeah, we're not just talking about the voting habits of people. We're talking about ruining the bottom, which if you destroyed a foundation of a home, right.
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  • And I know it's a lot, but I guess we can go back a minute. This is the reading from Malcolm X's. I didn't say that before. This is the reading from The Autobiography of Malcolm X. I guess we by Joe Morton, misplaced respect his name, and let's get into 4.2. To survive. He is out there constantly preying upon others probing for any human weaknesses like a ferret. The ghetto hustler is forever frustrated, restless and anxious for some action. Whatever he undertakes, he commits himself to it fully apps
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  • lewdly
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  • what makes the ghetto hustler yet more dangerous is his glamour image to the school dropout youth in the ghetto. These ghetto teenagers see the hell caught by their parents struggling to get some way or see that they have given up struggling in the prejudiced intolerant white man's world. The ghetto teenagers make up their own minds that they would rather be like the hustler, who they see dressed sharp and flashing money and display and no respect for anybody or anything. So the ghetto youth become attracted to the hustler worlds of dope, thievery prostitution in general crime and immorality. Yeah, this guy Malcolm was perfect. And I'm not talking about on the divine sense. But his understanding of
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  • the social dynamic
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  • to be on,
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  • formally educated. And that's, that is so many and that's why I don't buy it. I gotta say some because it's what irks me,
  • 2:35:59
  • is this thing floating around this meme of Pookie and Ray Ray. And what that is, is like,
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  • you would consider like a Gucci man and Jeezy and these guys is Pookie and Ray Ray's right. They're no good. They have no value to society. Right? But bro, the only reason I'm sitting here 40 years old. And the you know, the the biggest success I have is my father.
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  • Is the the P undergird me with a
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  • confidence. We also didn't enter safety, a sense of safety, you didn't need to go out and find that male energy.
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  • And so that's what we're saying. That's why I play the game clips in the small town Pep, because if you don't have that energy inside the home, you'll get it out. So it's like this guy has the money. And he beat the system. And you know, like, here's, here's the everybody thinks that
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  • all these rappers are gangsters and they're this and they're that to those kids. They're Robinhood. Because that's what they're selling. I'm not saying they're actually are. But that's what they're selling to the kids. That were Robin Hood Robin from the rich and given to the poor, which that's not the case, because all the resources you're taking.
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  • Have this.
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  • Right. But in the mind chap. Yep. is he's beating the man. He's beating white supremacy.
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  • You know, because he's, this is why they're celebrating because he's getting paid. Therefore he's beating the system. He's going around it. Yeah.
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  • And like I said before, about, as the guy I was talking about, that I had close proximity to when you're buying all the food, and you're a kid, you know, saying, Here's just a couple $100 for some gym shoes, or let me sponsor this, this basketball team. It's not all bad.
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  • I keep saying before El Chapo was celebrated in his community, no matter how much harm and murder he brought to Mexico, and his community, he was celebrated. Because he took care of them. But at a larger level. That's the same in politics, it's the same people are celebrated because they've done such great things. And they can be incredible gangsters and crooks under under the hood. Many are.
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  • But if you're secure in the bag, for your, for your the people that support you. It's like screw the other side. That's why politics is very
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  • similar to street culture and gang culture. Because this is about what can I do for the people that support me?
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  • I mean, I know I went a little farther, but I wanted this Pookie and right. It's a lot of redeemable people, and all walks of life. And then there's other people that we think have made it that need to be caught out. Because if you're trying to use your celebrity, just to subjugate people further. That's why I don't have a problem with anybody I bring up on the show personally. But if that's what you're trying to do, and not have people be self reliant, and
  • 2:39:17
  • therefore your enemy, your enemy of the state is not enemy of the culture.
  • 2:39:23
  • Right? It's not for the not for the culture, your for your benefit. And as Bob Woodson laid out, so I guess we can also to fulfill his own mind trap. You're in, you're in that trap, you're in a loop, you got to keep going. The trap is on both sides.
  • 2:39:41
  • And I'm glad you grabbed my opener home. If you see yourself as Robin Hood. It's like oh yeah, let me go secure this for the people and bring it back to them. by them voting. We can get some government programs and things of that nature. If you become self reliant.
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  • And form your own community and work inside your own community, we can have much more. And if we realize our power voting and spending and even with this, what were the biggest things I celebrate Gucci for his his physical transformation, because this is what really as black people, at the end of the day, one of the biggest problems is our health is what we consume. And you see it play out with COVID. And we mentioned that before so even the changing of the physical kiss changing of his mind has reflected in his changing of his physical appearance now is this Now I'm not saying like I said, I'm not celebrating him as a malcolmus. I'm not doing that. But all I'm saying is progress is progress. Now he says recognized besides you, obviously. But people say Damn, he got his shit together. This is good. This is looking good. He's this and do people see it as a release valve a way out? It's a possibility. Is that recognized?
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  • Yeah. Ever Charlemagne had to give him credit. Right? Wow, you really turn it around, and he beat the mind trap. And then my trap being I have?
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  • No, I'll go long winter's day. But we have to understand this. The rules and what we call a street is really penitentiary rules. You look at you lock people up, they turn into animals. And it's, you look to me the wrong way. And when you have people fresh out of being institutionalized, and bring that mentality back to the hood, it's like you looked at me the wrong way. I got it. I got to do something about that right now. And I'm not saying it's like I said, this is not something I've heard or read in a book. people when they come home from jail, they until they get acclimated back into this society. They have a whole different
  • 2:41:49
  • Tom they move on. Yeah, well, that's a whole different mentality as as a country, but it's the same in every country, we're very poor at at, at helping people get back into quote, unquote, civilian life, whether you're coming from the military, or whether you're coming from the penitentiary, it doesn't matter. Neither. Neither one. I mean, I, I know friends who've been to penitentiary and the the process is, and this is a white guy for white collar crime. And in this is, you know, good friend of mine, because he's been out for three years, this still can't get his life really back together. And the military is another great example, because you're operating on a different
  • 2:42:34
  • wavelength when you're in life or death situations correct. And being institutionalized and being a military. Well, when I say, pot situations during the military, you don't have time to make, I mean, I'm just being, you know, with family members that were in wars, when they first come home, you can't approach them in a certain way. You can't just starve them in a certain way. So
  • 2:43:03
  • long winded on that we can go ahead and jump to 32. It scared me the first time I really saw the danger of these ghetto teenagers if they are ever sparked into violence. One sweltering summer afternoon, I attended a home street rally which contained a lot of these teenagers in the crowd. I had been invited by some responsible Negro leaders who normally never spoke to me. I knew they had just used my name to help them draw a crowd. The more I thought about it on the way there, the hotter I got. And when I got on the stand, I just told the crowd in the street that I wasn't really wanted up there that my name had been used, and I walked off the speakers stand. Well, what did I want to do that for? Those young teenage negros got upset and started milling around and yell and upset and the old Negroes in the crowd. The first thing you know, traffic was blocked in four directions by a crowd whose mood quickly grew so ugly, that I really got apprehensive. I got on top of a car and began waving my arms and yelling at them to quiet down. They did quiet. And then I asked them to disperse. And they did. This was when it began being said that I was America's only Negro, who could stop a race riot cold or start one.
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  • I don't know if I can do either one. But I know one thing. It had taught me in a very few minutes to have a whole lot of respect for the human combustion that is packed among the hustlers and young admirers who live in the ghettos with a northern white man has sealed off the Negro away from whites for 100 years. Wow, that's cool. I've not read this autobiography, but that moment of Holy crap, I can do either one. I can stop a race right or I can start one when you when you realize that yourself. Wow. Big power has big power. Yeah, power. And we've seen this start with cold call the third way weaponized in this country. So and
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  • Just off of
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  • just off of monetary, I believe of with the riots and everything. You know, like the first wave is the protesters and activists. second wave is the provocative agent provocateur is and then the third wave, if you could actually control that third wave
  • 2:45:22
  • control right now it's just a force, right? But if somebody actually channel and control that's a scary thought. That's a scary thought for a lot of people. Well, it depends if you can control the the wave to do something more positive. That would be great. It's still scary for a lot of people because they want
  • 2:45:42
  • the mayhem. Yeah, we can't have that. And now you see the problem with Malcolm X. It's like, Yeah, that's great. You can do it. But if we can't control you and tell you which way you got to do it, and you're no good to us.
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  • I think brutal. Just brutal. That was Rebecca. zipper assignments. I think you said Robert, that smile. I'm sorry. It was Rebecca. Yes, you're right. For me. I want you to get in trouble there. But this one quick thing about the crying. I know.
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  • This is specific to the it's some I struggle with the image that black men have. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. But you
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  • gotta be very careful how you show weakness. And the thing I had with Van Jones was,
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  • uh, I don't know, it's Who are you crying for more than that? After crying? Well, sure, but I want to understand something that you said.
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  • You've got to be careful how you show your weakness as a black man. So I am presuming This means certain weaknesses are unacceptable to the culture frowned upon, why are you not allowed to show emotion? What's the problem?
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  • Forget the phony emotion, then obviously, it isn't
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  • caught yet there's a term called being food.
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  • And
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  • if you
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  • appear to be weak, or easily
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  • pushed over, that can be taken advantage of Now I'm not saying that's the right it's kind of like that mind trap thing that Gucci man referring to these rules
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  • is heartbreak in your mind. Uh,
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  • so I'm still struggling with with myself is just that. Well, just a question. Do you think this is different in any other culture? Or any other? I don't know.
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  • I can't speak for I mean, comment. This is just my eye because I think it's the same. From our perspective. Yeah.
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  • I think in in need, this may be the difference. If you're doing that on television.
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  • I don't think it matters, who you are, or what what your background is, it will be viewed in a certain way, depending on the topic.
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  • And I think people when you cry on television, it's a very specific thing. It's something that we used to be only seen on the barbara walters year and special.
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  • So in some ways, it's heralded as oh my gosh, look, he is he's sensitive. And I think that's what happened with Van Jones in general.
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  • To the general population who watched CNN, I think that was seen as a very courageous courageous thing. Whereas me, you everyone else looks at and go what a bunch of crap. Or what are you really crying for van? I'm just saying I don't know if that's it.
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  • It's no different than white or black culture to be seen. I guess I don't. I don't know. But it's it's more not like I said crying is
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  • fear.
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  • I'm
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  • overly compassionate.
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  • These things can be used against you or it's my perception as a black man with pips. Well, okay, it can be used against you as a weakness. So may I suggest as a white man, that you open your mind because if controlled effectively, showing these emotions can be a very powerful tool.
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  • I'm just saying it's that sounds like mine trap to me when you say was the black man if you cry, that's bad news. Well, maybe that's mine trap, too. It is. Okay. But But
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  • my anger?
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  • Let's just take crying out the table. Let's look at anger. Okay, much better. I agree. Yeah.
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  • I made this statement A while back on a show. I can't remember what it was about angry black there. He, yeah, even the appearance of being angry. And I have people to this day. If I'm thinking I scowl. And they'll say anything I
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  • was everybody keeps asking me.
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  • But my wife calls it I got knots in my head. Right? Because I mean, like when I was just saying, like, you're thinking
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  • yeah, I'm processing. My hourglass is turning here. So um, but to other people, the appearance is
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  • Oh, he might snap. No, at the moment, he might blow. And I think as a black man, since we're hyper, hyper masculine. alized a same different when we cry. Because, ah, I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I'm just giving a right now. Again, analysis of Yeah, so we're talking about this is a good good luck. Give me a kick in the door, please. Yeah, hold on a second.
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  • Okay, justice. All right. Yeah. Um,
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  • when it comes to anger to emotions in general, but when it comes to anger, I would just say that there's more and more examples these days with lockdowns and other things where we see angry black men on YouTube or Twitter. And they're saying stuff. And the angry part works very effectively. And it's not seen as scary. There's a I'm just talking from a white man's perspective. It's like, oh, wow, someone's really pissed off. And they're making a lot of sense. And and you know, it's very attention grabbing, it's a little different than what you're talking about. Because I can see where that's the thing, oh, man, he's like, that guy's like, he's ready to pop off. But when when, when real anger frustration is showed.
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  • I think it's very effective these days, it may be something of only just the past a little bit. Whereas you get an angry white man yelling on YouTube. It's like at what a fool. You understand what I'm saying? I understand what you're saying. But let me counter that with this. This is why brock obama couldn't pop off.
  • 2:58:24
  • Yes, yeah. He could never pull what Trump. Now he did cry. Now he did it. But that's acceptable because of his demographic that he was trying to reach. So that's acceptable. But to say you're talking to the president here, don't ever talk to the President. Like if he did that? Oh, hell no. But I mean, so I was like, we can have conversations.
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  • Well, well, I'm glad. I'm glad we're talking about this, because I'm gonna pay a little more attention to it and how I feel about it, because I think I think that while I know from this show, my attitude has changed. Like, we've talked about this before. We're actually saw a very angry, angry black man on the street who was yelling at me. And I had the incredible sensation of calm. I'm like, bro,
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  • get on the sidewalk. I was not scared or anything. And that's it. Maybe that's interracial.
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  • But say maybe it's to black men.
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  • And I'll say this. I have a close friend.
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  • He had an incident where he hit a door with his door.
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  • And they do was like,
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  • what's up?
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  • And if we became that way, what's up? Those two words.
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  • So what you saying, man? I mean, that's how it goes. What's up? So what you saying then? And it could devolve into something different. So we just have to be, not have to be let me stop saying that. It's the perception that we have to move on a different time.
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  • Okay, good. So it's all mine trap. Then we get into my trap. I totally 100% increase in my trap. Alright, should not get stuffy in here. So let me Oh, yeah, please, please.
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  • almost missed a valid point I wanted to make so I'm glad we had that conversation we did okay. There was one song missing from his verses
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  • that I'm surprised that didn't get played on Jesus part and that's my president is black he didn't play it
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  • wish that was the song he made for brock obama when he got elected. Right right right but he chose not to play it which was a glaring
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  • mission for me. Like is blocked Barack Obama that toxic
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  • Well, he didn't want to play it or he didn't want to seem like a democratic operative by playing it but it was one of his biggest hits. So it not to be played and you got me you have your top 20 songs well maybe i don't know i think that you know considering who is who he's in bed with figuratively. The last thing the last thing we want is anyone thinking about Obama like now we got to move forward towards Joe
  • 3:02:27
  • but now you know you want to conjure up those feelings of Joe's got you think you think that's good? You think that they want to conjure up Obama? I mean, isn't he toxic at this point for the culture? That's my point. Yeah. Is he so toxic? I think so. Because that was the whole thing that Joe is a
  • 3:02:48
  • racist? No But Joe is a rock revisiting are coming back to the old Obama third term. Right well i don't think anyone's playing that song. I found that as I'm glad that we stopped and had a comment to that spot that thought coming I had it and I made a note of that about myself My feeling is that my feeling is that Obama is considered toxic by the culture or for the for the New Democrat Party. That's I think that's true. I believe that was my thing. I think with maybe Dooley the two points I laid out one that he is toxic into that will be in a way that would have been a red flag to a lot of people I Oh yeah, well you know what's going on? Yeah, I agree. I
  • 3:03:32
  • I saw promise to share with you the origin of making it rain guy so let's get into 34 man 3.1 point three that type of shit but I'm still on the same mission I was on when I met Mitch you know what I'm saying?
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  • whose main
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  • part one a program stop you ain't never heard of big meat I may have for any you travel around everywhere and learn about different things all over the world for this I learned about us by asking
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  • was big meats is big meat smell know how to explain that nobody ever asked me that question. That's crazy. Nobody ever asked me that. I don't know how to answer it. Got our own house we got our own cars we got almost got our own clothes. You know and we can't be stuck I don't see nobody style seen on the car after season. No nobody I never do this again. It's just many niggas and as much money can't get along. Big Meech and hurt. Now. So big Meech is the leader of the black mafia family. Okay, which they had. Jeezy was affiliated with them a part of them. It's very unclear what the relationship was. Some people say that they took him in as far as you know, he was like the music. arm of BMF but he was definitely affiliated with
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  • Boom and black mafia family was covered his kid they were the shit. I mean like, see, I mean they okay this how much money they had they were by winning lottery tickets to launder their money
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  • on the hope that one of them paid a huff know if somebody won yeah oh god yeah so if you are a winner they will look your meal will give you 1.2 give us the ticket. Oh okay okay wow that's big they had it they had a
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  • book billboard downtown Atlanta saying the world is ours
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  • This is a lot to do was a he was a member of black mafia family. You never heard of big Meech like I mean that was offensive
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  • I mean these are the guys that created or it's the legend goals that they created making it rain because they were go in and just make it right just tsunami cash to the point where you can't see the floor cash that will pull up two or three tour buses back to back and I'm not saying 27 year old me that was like wow like that that is hot you know i mean like that
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  • knowing the implications of drugs and everything in that community I get that but it's this is the this is the mind screw that you go through have seen people create it as legends but then what they can't legendary for
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  • right but the those were those guys yeah BMF adult Rick Ross got a song called beat Meech.
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  • He was saying like, I mean, what I mean by that is to have a song title out there. Like the hook goes on big Meech, I'm like I'm like Larry Hoover. Yeah, you're so legendary. Legendary. So Jeezy we have a clip or him speaking about him in big Meech relationship because it's gonna it's gonna it's gonna pay off in the end, but let's let's listen to that clip. Was that relationship like these days with each being gone for?
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  • Like 3040? Yeah. I mean, she still won't go to magic right now.
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  • My Magic City. I mean, you can't wait, wait, wait, do you can't kill the spirit man. He's a different type of dude. Man. He just always been a strong individual man. And I don't think that the prison is, you know, it is what it is man. But I just think that he's not letting me kill his spirits, man. Like he you know, when you talk to him, he's in better spirits. And you know, he's always calling and talking to people. And you would think he was home to me. He can't hear it in his voice. You know, some people, they get in there and you hear that? You hear breaking them down? He's cool, man. He's keeping I gave him that. What What do you think? made each, you know, Drew so many people to meet? What was the cup? Because he can't my nigga like he really did. Like it like he's genuine do and I just think, you know, he just always wanted to see people in a better place. You know, even the conversations that we had. And I'll be the first to say, when I first you know, started popping off my music great. Like me, she's one of my biggest fans. Like he loved it. Like I would do shit and come from a studio and get in the car him ride smoking. Listen to that shit. And just true. You know? I mean, like, he would just be like he said that he loved it.
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  • Wow, it's just reading the Wikipedia man. These guys. Pretty big organization going on. They trying to Malta state.
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  • We say national
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  • ring. Yeah. Those are the guys that come into your neighborhood and like a we're setting up franchises. And, but they would love I mean, it's like, that's why I keep bringing out El Chapo because to the people they care for. Now, I mean, I can't not see the mayhem and violence and
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  • destruction that was brought to the neighborhood due to their actions to how much how much of this is actually mirroring the glamour of El Chapo or I would say probably still popular Scarface.
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  • I will probably say more. Pablo Escobar. Oh Escobar Yes. But also also scarf. I mean, the world is mine. I mean, that was that was what Scarface put on. Remember, that was his mind. Oh, Scarface has a huge and we spoke about this. Scarface has a huge
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  • impact on the culture because he's coming from the bottom starting from nothing. making your way up. And and and making yourself into a you know, a substantial figure that resonates on a certain level. So here's here's how it must work if you're doing this multi step.
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  • Hundreds of millions of dollars
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  • you're recognized by the political establishment you're recognized by the white criminals in the system and I think it's probably it's all intertwined and with politics it cannot be you cannot run curry goggles
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  • alright I can't see crap now all right we're getting there we're getting there. You and your future travels I'm sorry
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  • so but that that was Gz in 2012 well think sour between him and big Meech and all that beat Meech speak for himself looks
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  • like we coming out people that know us to tell you like them do some of the coolest dudes moving across the face of the earth man you know we come in we got drinks for everybody you know you come in with a man named a family we all family What if I'm out with my and trying to show my good time and some just off brand dude come by and grab my ass and say Yo bitch What up we go mop the floor with his ass is called respect
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  • because they have always looked oh
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  • boy is not going crazy. Gee, the oh my god from from the Bay. Oh, john Jeezy from Atlanta. Yeah. Are you talking about Jay Jenkins Young Jeezy? If that's what you call is a lot of Jesus man but um, so
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  • like, Is he really like well respected in the streets and stuff out there? Yeah, yeah. The whole homo community level
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  • playing no games. I don't cuz you know, when the movement started he's one of the faces of it. Right? And you know, when everything went down, you know, like he separated I don't know Look, I mean, whenever you want to clear up you could clear up I'm gonna tell you like this. I like the man music cuz I always did. That's why I fuck from Jump Street. I'm not no hater. But if you want your homeboys is walking through the mall. And in his three Yo, and then 15 guys come said we found a beach is and the nigga that run. That was Jeezy he was the nigga that ran slap?
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  • Yeah. So he when Jeezy got on with fame and you know, celebrity and
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  • had the huge rec contract and all that losing credibility is not a loser know what he did? No, no, no, no black mafia family that not not lose credibility, he lose. But I'll say this as a matter of self preservation, the kind of numbers that we're facing.
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  • I'm not, I'm not I'm just kind of person. If I'm in it, I'm in it. And if I'm not in it, I'm not in it. That's why I can never participate in these kind of groups, or any group, because
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  • I am for myself, and not in a selfish way. But I can't put taking the fall, even if I have nothing to do with it. You know, for somebody else, I can never do that. You know, I mean, I'm just being honest with you.
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  • And I think out of self preservation, and I've made it I've got where I need to go. You screaming BMF on every record, but then when they ask you Do you know anything about BMF? Nah, no, no. BMF Oh, no, it's talking about and I think to a guy like big Meech, who's really in it. I mean, like, lit blood, like say blood in blood out. A
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  • you don't you can't get out. You know, you have to we got to stay in. But I mentioned this before with a Flynn.
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  • The same thing. It's the same mentality. If you ride with Trump. You catch case you don't rat. No metaphor still sitting up. He didn't read.
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  • General Flynn, he didn't read. Right. But the Michael Cohen.
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  • Michael Cohen.
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  • Yeah, that's a good. That's a good analogy. So that's why it's like it's not about you know, you don't you just don't turn your back on it. So I'm gonna play this next clip. And this is a free show. 28 black don't crack to kind of this is how
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  • drug dealers of kingpins can kind of absolve themselves from.
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  • Well, somebody's got to sell drugs, if I don't sell it. And this is from New jack city, the courts thing you're the one who's guilty.
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  • Lawmakers, the politicians that Colombian drug lords, all you who lobby against making drugs legal, just like you did with alcohol during the prohibition. You're the one who's guilty.
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  • I mean, come
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  • Well, let's kick the ballistics here.
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  • I know who's these made in Harlem.
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  • I mean, not one of us in here. Also pop up. This thing is bigger than Nino Brown, this is big business. This is the American way.
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  • Okay, my goggles are still on. So I'm just not gonna say anything. Yes. So
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  • I mean, that was the the logic of Wayne bringing it here. So if you're gonna get mad at somebody get right in the right people, or how are you going to be a hypocrite and be mad at us and not the other people? Now, I mean, there's, there's nuance to that argument, but I'm just telling you how the logic works for somebody that is on a high level like that, from my understanding, and Nino Brown, to a lot of people are seen as a hero. A because he made it and if the ultimate goal is making it, it doesn't matter how you make it, how they make it. Yeah. So I found this interesting clip from BMF, Jabari a. And he touches on a point that I've made a long time ago about adrenaline. My job of choice was adrenaline. My drug of choice was
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  • the family. You know, that familia. that's bigger than almost any drug out there on earth, and adrenaline of driving in a car cross country. 2000 plus miles, 100 kilos, and there are only one in the world. And that state that knows is there. You know, that adrenaline rush? is beyond dope or anything for me. I don't use drugs. I don't drink. I don't touch. I don't taste nothing. But that was my drug. Wow.
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  • Yeah. And these were a lot of bright, ambitious young men.
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  • If given maybe a different path.
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  • They were proud probably would have, you know, saying turned out differently. But
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  • this goes to show you that he didn't drink he didn't do anything. But adrenaline. I think I've made that point before about a lot of these kids running around doing the shooting and playing this game. And I'll go back a little bit to the Kendrick Lamar. Spoiler alert, that was kind of what they were doing, running around playing the game.
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  • Popping shots off at people each other.
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  • And somebody gets killed in the process. And then one, one scene in that one from the skit. And in the Kendrick Lamar album. It was like we will pop a few shots and you know, and then that Haha, the deuce actually said, ha ha ha shot the neighborhood in the skit. Yeah. Because this
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  • it's not taking seriously.
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  • You know, it's just somebody actually gets hit. So I just want to make that point about adrenaline. And it's no different I think in the mentality of a god going down a slope on the X Games. 50 foot slope on a skateboard. You know, we used to do for our adrenaline, rock fights.
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  • So, yeah, I know. I know how stupid our way. So rock fights. Yeah, you somehow there was two teams? I don't really I think I do remember, this was in Holland, by the way. So it's a whole different culture altogether. But would be the kids from a village up the road. And there was a there was a house being demolished. And so there was lots of rocks around and stuff and I can't even remember how it happened. We just started a rock fight and we're throwing rocks at each other and the until one kid got a fucking hole in his head. And then all of a sudden we were like, Damn, that was dumb. Let's go home.
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  • But it was pure adrenaline. I remember it vividly. like holy crap, I could get a hold of my head. Wow, this is cool that we didn't have guns. But if we hadn't we probably would have used them too. And but nowadays these young kids have access to gun all over the so early on and that's why I say gbg Yeah, because uh i'm gonna start GB BG get black boys guns. And I know that a lot of people had a sticker shock I mean, like, What do you say? I think if you take young black boys out teach them how to hunt train them again. Yeah, see what it's like to see life poor out of an animal. I mean, you're gonna eat the animal whatever but I think that's why the lack of respect for guns is part of the problem in our community as well.
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  • Yeah, but that all that that we used to be culture you used to take your your shotgun, your 22 not your shotgun. You take your 22 to school, put it in your locker, I'm going hunting later go and shoot and later. I was talking to a friend He's like I'm taking my son out to get his first book. And I'm sure once he see that animal gonna die. Totally respect for that tool called called a firearm.
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  • So I'm not I'm all over the place today, but I just want to make that point as well. Um, but that's that's big. Meech
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  • And I'm gonna say this about Jeezy if you have the governor's in the President's ear
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  • if meek wants to come home and restore order in the streets with it right now we're we're post that now shall we say we're post Osama right now
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  • remember how crazy it was Afghanistan in the Middle East when you took out Osama or a
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  • Saddam Hussein yeah now you have like five other warlords vying for this mayhem mayhem Of course, whenever you take out someone being in the gang or in the in the mob or organized crime, it's always a fight for who's who's who's the boss now. So I'm gonna say this. Remember when Kanye went first talk to Trump in the Oval Office. Yeah, he was talking about bringing Larry Hoover home and he was also mentioned in the song big Meech by Rick Ross. I'm like big Meech, I'm like Larry Hoover. So if Meech Larry Hoover can come home restore order to the streets. I'm all for it. And I think genies ask, I know people like what are you talking about Mo, I am not anti organized crime. The reason why I say that is I am a realist that no crime is gonna exist, vices gonna exist. If you saw a thing in Portland, they've legalized the possession of drugs. So I mean, we've gotten to the point where people are going to get high, people are going to participate in prostitution, people are going to participate in gambling. Now it's like if we can bring these well respected, people highly respected by their peers, and the guys that came up like them, and they can restore order. Well, we don't have guys getting shot in the mall and shot in the streets and all kinds of Mayhem, where it can reach
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  • civilians. I'm all for it. I'm for anything that brings solutions to our community. I know that sounds crazy. But
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  • even in the streets, you got to have some kind of order. It sounds Well, it sounds hopeful. And yes.
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  • As long as there are drugs, and as long as those drugs are illegal, then there's going to be I I got to pick out from under the goggles. Because, yeah, this is this is all this is all going on. With street drugs. The Meanwhile, Purdue pharma just admitted they were they were drug dealers actor with a whole frickin network of legal drugs, they pay a fine, no one goes to jail, none of the doctors the pill Mills. And of course that trickled down to the street as well. None of it and these guys, I would say in the opioid game are above above the street gangs were handing it down. And first we said all the rich white people get it. And then Oh, we got some excess was distributed over here. Maybe those kids can turn it into lean or whatever, mix it up. Those are the criminals, the criminals are there. And as long as you've got these two systems, they're meant they're meant to work together. They're baked into the system. It's a part of it at and I don't know, we may find out if we had if we've had systemic voter fraud in our in our republic for the past 40 years.
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  • And that will and if that is demonstrated and shown to the American people that will freak a lot of people out, wait until you find out what's really going on. What's really going on. Because all of this to me, what's happening on the streets, in the pyp
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  • urban areas is part of the same thing.
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  • And it's intended to be kept that way.
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  • Yeah, and I'll go back to and we can go to the next clip after this one. I go back to the Godfather line when they were debating where they were at the same point I'm at now is gonna be a drug trade. Right? Cuz I mean, that's what the
  • 3:23:59
  • Michael Collins father was arguing against, like, Don't bring no we don't need to get into the drug game. And everybody was the other four families convinced them like there's gonna be a drug market. And then whether they say long as you keep it down there with the inwards. Yes, exactly, exactly. That's exactly what they said. And it's ness. That's a movie but that's been the sentiment. Because we you listen to this net clip clip from James Bradley, talking about the Roosevelt, opium empower. I'm out in China, and I find that the grandfather of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, his name was Warren Delano was the opium king of China. The fortune that Franklin Delano Roosevelt lived off of custom made suits, nice houses, sailboats, vacations, summer homes. He didn't make that money he inherited from grandpa Warren Delano, the opium king of China. Cabot house at Harvard opium Skull and Bones at Yale opium
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  • The Library of Columbia opium money, the if you go on the Princeton website, at least they're honest, they will admit that their first biggest benefactor, john green was an opium dealer with Warren Delano. So the book is full of surprises. I'll let you judge. It didn't change my view about America so much. What it did is changed my view about American historians.
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  • Yes, poorly documented, no argument there. Absolutely. And I think this is what you're alluded to about, you know, the power structure not and I'll say this last thing, because you brought it up the opioid epidemic, and people were like, Well, you know, um, they won't didn't treat black people, white people like they did black people doing the crack error. And that's a very astute observation. But I don't think they understand the reason why it's not about the victim, or the user of the drug. It was about who is gonna be put in handcuffs. If you
  • 3:25:58
  • if something comes out. Yeah. It would have been a bunch of doctors that would have hadn't been perp walk, yeah, out of their legitimate establishment. And that is not going to happen. Because the drug doctors have a lobby, they have a lobby, so you're like, Nah, that's not gonna happen. And so like, we'll pay a pay a penalty, other pharmaceutical companies, and they hit more doctors didn't have to wasn't even covered brother, it was not even covered. On the news. It was a throwaway line
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  • 1000s of people dead because of this one company. And it wasn't covered. Because not because of the color of the skin, maybe to a lesser extent, maybe the color of skin that people that died, it was about who sold it to him. That's the problem. And that's why they didn't prosecute them in the same manner because doctors are not getting locked up. That's just not happening in this country. But also the media is who who's the number one advertiser on television. Number one. Hello, pharma. You're not gonna say anything about pharma, because that's your bread and butter, you do not do not talk negatively about pharma.
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  • So it's a scam. And once again, we'll look who's getting the bad end of the stick. Yeah. And so that leads us into the next clip, the meaning the meaning connection, what forces could be responsible for compromising the entire system of justice? Bill Clinton certainly knows. He was the governor of Arkansas who will allow this version of his state government by the shadowy forces radiating from the reagan bush white house, when ex CIA director William Casey began using the CIA to illegally conduct secret foreign policy. This serious reach of America's constitutional authority was labeled by the media as Iran Contra. This documentary will rewrite this dark period in American history and leave you with annoying question. Who or what is running this country?
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  • gunrunning
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  • mysterious CIA flights
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  • control military training
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  • guerrilla pilot training
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  • Stein air drops
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  • tons of illegal drugs.
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  • Millions of dollars in dirty money.
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  • covert activity in some third world Banana Republic, right?
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  • Wrong.
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  • Arkansas, America's own Banana Republic.
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  • sauce I'll bring this up again. Cool Breeze said it on a Goodie Mob song. He said dirty Bo clinic in front of me some wait.
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  • This is the early 90s this is before the internet. This is not some conspiracy theory. This is why known that the Clintons were running heavy drugs in the south. And I have proof now.
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  • of something I said a while back about one of the mechanisms or one of the methods that used to transport it. And that was inside of Tyson chickens. Yes. This is why Tyson chickens with no excuse me This is why kilos of cocaine, I believe are referred to as chickens. in Chronicles one, one of Hillary's investments under the direction of Tyson Foods counselor James Blair netted almost $100,000 on an initial $1,000 investment on nearly impossible feet using legal methods. I can't read their minds or speculate, but I had absolutely no reason to believe that I got any favorable treatment.
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  • Coincidentally, Governor Clinton the next
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  • To the number of state regulations allowing Tyson Foods to grow into the largest industry in Arkansas.
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  • Don Tyson put in six $700,000 all told in all of Bill Clinton's campaign.
  • 3:30:16
  • Guess what he got out of it? He got $10 million
  • 3:30:21
  • guessed from where
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  • the Arkansas development finance authority and he never paid a dime for
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  • had heard rumors of Don Tyson in his allege cocaine use and distribution. Now went through the intelligence files and come up with enough that I thought was sufficient amount of evidence to launch investigation. Now, Mr. Tyson's out simply out of Arkansas State Police intelligence files has been accumulated for years.
  • 3:30:52
  • Yeah, and there was also a nice nod to this in breaking bad if you remember
  • 3:30:57
  • or Polo chicken was being used. And you know, where the distribution centers are alleged to be that the Tyson trucks were showing up at
  • 3:31:08
  • to tell Walmart's
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  • course another fine Arkansas for
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  • witches, witches. So this as the story goes, and this is all alleged. This is all all alleged.
  • 3:31:24
  • Load up the chickens full of cocaine.
  • 3:31:27
  • Go all across the nation to Walmart, if the chickens out, put the chickens on the shelf. The cocaine goes out the back door. Mm hmm. Um, that's pretty well established this. I think these are facts. Right? I'm just saying for people. So it's not just we're not talking about Roseville in the you know, in the opium trade. We're talking about people that are still in power today. That may be you know, saying made these decisions, the impact that you're saying the community and the culture, if they will say, and nobody's held to task and then you turn around and you want to work with these people. And then you want to demonize other I mean, I'm just like, let's just be fair, however we call it if you want to call it loose, you want to call it tight, that's fine, but call it fair.
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  • Is the man it's amazing. It is amazing.
  • 3:32:20
  • This information is out there for for the consump people's consumption, but nobody does anything with it. Well, I want to I have some some things to say. But I want to get through the clinton Chronicles clips. First, I want to hear what we've got. Okay, number two, a great deal of criminal investigation files were surfacing with Don Tyson's name mentioned in there as being involved with some drug and narcotics trafficking activities. So I interviewed some of the investigators who worked on the Tyson case. Most of them felt that Tyson should have been indicted. But the investigations were always sabotaged. Oftentimes from within one particular undercover narc agent told me that
  • 3:33:07
  • another criminal investigator in that department named Doug Foley was furnishing Don Tyson with photographs of the undercover narcotics agents that were working on his case, Donald smalls was actually hired to look into the allegations that Tyson had given bribes to different people, specifically to the Secretary of Agriculture, Mike espy.
  • 3:33:36
  • And what came out of that investigation was very remarkable. Drug Abuse
  • 3:33:44
  • drug distribution, money laundering, even murder for hire.
  • 3:33:49
  • Now a small has collected all this stuff, he compiled it, he put it in proper order.
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  • Approach Janet Reno
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  • and said, Look, you know, I need to broaden my investigation. I'm finding more here than just simple payoffs. What do you think happened?
  • 3:34:09
  • Now most of you already know, he was turned down.
  • 3:34:13
  • Huh?
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  • Clinton hasn't goons.
  • 3:34:19
  • those goons okay, right now. I'm holding I'm holding. I'm holding mo I'm holding I'm holding back I'm holding back. Alright, so let's go and jump into three. Don Tyson was in the middle of the cocaine just like Bill Clinton.
  • 3:34:33
  • Slide Dan last, just like Roger, and all the so you see all of this insist?
  • 3:34:42
  • All of this drug run all of the trafficking drugs, sending them all over the nation.
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  • Little in Arkansas,
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  • right under the nose, a little Governor Bill Clinton.
  • 3:34:56
  • I went to Bill
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  • and I said bill, you
  • 3:35:00
  • Got two weeks to tell the truth. I'm gonna tell you're breaking the law and I can't be a part of you made mistake. I'm not one of your buddies released. I'm not that big a buddy. When Larry Nichols made his disclosures made them public.
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  • The Clintons spin doctor
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  • treated him on mercifully. It shocked both of us who had been kept in the dark through the years and Arkansas politics. The Arkansas news media had done little, if anything on tober, anything derogatory about Bill Clinton.
  • 3:35:41
  • And for these disclosures to come out of the blue was so shocking
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  • that the Spin Doctors attack the messenger
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  • rather than tried to answer crab to answer the charges that Nicolas had made.
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  • Well,
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  • I have some,
  • 3:36:06
  • some perspective on this, please. My uncle, Donald Greg, who was in the CIA, when before it was CIA, he's now just in his 90s. It was still the OSS. He had to testify in front of Congress and was implicated in the Iran Contra scandal, as he at the time was
  • 3:36:30
  • Vice President Bush's national security adviser. And he got off scot free. But within the family, the discussion was kind of well, he didn't cover his boss's ass, which if you look into him, and by the way, I think uncle Don is a patriot. And I think he was a useful idiot in this in this Gambit, because it's always been played as this was drugs for guns, and that the CIA was giving guns or selling guns to the Contras.
  • 3:37:08
  • And doing that, in, the only payment they could accept was cocaine and they turned that into crack cocaine and then eventually spread that out on the on the streets of California, Los Angeles in particular.
  • 3:37:24
  • It is my belief that this was always a false view of what was really going on. Because the Clintons, they're just pawns and Bill Clinton is a nice guy, but he's dumb. And and look at his brother Roger. And so they were working for the bushes. The bushes are truly the crime family that maybe no longer I'm not quite sure what's left of it. But
  • 3:37:51
  • daddy bush Papa bush puppy. He was the guy who started in the CIA at the very beginning.
  • 3:38:00
  • And I believe President Eisenhower said it, President Kennedy felt it was some hot lead. The CIA is running all of this, the CIA has been running the drugs in the United States for a long, long time. Possibly before you and I were even born, they are a complete criminal organization. And
  • 3:38:27
  • with a little bit of a little bit of luck, but a lot of skill. 45 savage may be able to uncover this. It may be part of the big review. But the CIA is a toxic, horrible organization not has wasn't always that way. But it didn't take long before it got corrupted. They have unlimited power. They have unlimited money because they sell the drugs. If I think we discussed the Bush family, actually they own property in Compton.
  • 3:38:59
  • No, they know that's where he was. Compton is where George W. George Herbert. Hey, George, h, h. h h. w. w. h whatever his. He was. He lived in Compton, right? Yeah. And that's where they the CIA agents supposedly showed street level drug dealers how to cook up the crack. That's exactly true. It's the CIA, which their Christmas there. They're like, they're the criminals. There's the criminals mo it's not the Clintons is just, I mean, everyone, look, please focus on the Clintons. Whatever you do, focus on the Clintons don't focus on the bushes and don't focus on the CIA. It's my opinion, I have a little more insight than most. I'm pretty sure the true criminals at the top is going to be your Central Intelligence Agency in its modern form, not what they started offering. And I always say this, the most powerful man in this country maybe in the second
  • 3:40:00
  • Half of the 1900s was George Bush Senior. Yes, sir. Because if you look at how long that flag was half mass
  • 3:40:10
  • when he passed, I've never seen it. I was like, cuz at work, we know we have the flag half mass on national tragedies. Yeah, I was like that thing still that who has died, and it was still for him. And that lets you know the power. I'm all on board with you. He Reagan gets the blame for I don't think Reagan had the mental capacity at the time. I think the whole? No, I think it was the eight years that he was vice president coming straight out of the CIA.
  • 3:40:41
  • He ran it for another four years. On a when he was president. And then he ran it for another eight years under his stooge, the George me asking me, Bill Clinton. Yes. So I'm in total green.
  • 3:40:57
  • Isn't the Spin Doctors we know who the spend czar? That's the media, and the media will never It's amazing. If george bush wanted to defeat Bill Clinton, this would have been public knowledge.
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  • Yes. But it wasn't
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  • one other data point. That's kind of fun. If I say 911 2001 you know exactly where you were. Right? Right. Okay, so do I. If you say to anyone to your parents, you say Do you remember where you were when Kennedy got shot? I don't know exactly where they were. The one man in america who on record has said I can't remember where I was.
  • 3:41:35
  • is George Herbert Walker Bush. He's on record Don't forget poppy
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  • pot. Well, he that is Poppy.
  • 3:41:44
  • I know that's what they don't forget the poppy. Yeah. Oh, please. Exactly. Why do they call him poppy? We know that. Please. But he does not know where he was on the day. President Kennedy was assassinated
  • 3:41:57
  • in one day This will come out I hope we're still around when it does. And do you know why I think
  • 3:42:03
  • or a weird analogy because it's just like what the chickens while was cocaine college she's always wanted that.
  • 3:42:10
  • I like that a lot. I like that well you know that guy with all the chickens you know what they call him?
  • 3:42:16
  • poppy
  • 3:42:19
  • get out of town. Going to see poppy to get numbers get them breaks
  • 3:42:25
  • I didn't know that. That's cool.
  • 3:42:29
  • It's this it's this crossover between elite level
  • 3:42:36
  • criminality and elite level a separate criminality and I'm not gonna make a difference between the two but it's what also look at it. Look at it, look at it as an organization look at it as an army. And look at on here. They've got the the marketing arm media. They've got you know, the the lawyers, which is literal lawyers, who also are all politicians, or most politicians are lawyers. They've got the whole thing all the way down the line. And they've got all and yeah, who cares if a couple of black guys go to jail? Wait a minute. I do like what they're doing with this drug culture songs. And we got to promote that a little bit. It's, it is so and this is what I in my heart of hearts believe that Trump is trying to show us this now. And I don't know how far he'll get. I really pray for him that he does it because that's the swamp man. Now you're talking swamp and he has made some moves that mimic what Kennedy did back in the late 50s, particularly as it pertains to the CIA's power. And you may have seen this little switchover that they did with special operations, which is pretty much the CIA was running them for everything, from Libya, to Syria to you name it to Benghazi, all CIA run operations. And I believe that they were there. That's why everyone is so what's so crazy about Trump, it's like, oh, my God, this guy just might expose us because it's so rampant so widespread, and the world is so connected to things getting a bit hot, because fans will find stuff out and idiots on podcast, talk about it, and people get wise to it. And we're still in Afghanistan, just like this, though. Don't let that escape you. Oh, and and please, please do look at where our troops are stationed. And you will see that they are exactly in the areas where the poppy fields are. It's called protection. Right? Which we saw the same thing with Vietnam War and the influx of
  • 3:44:41
  • the country to go see an American president. Wasn't that Denzil American Gangster American Gangster wish that will be who they equate a freeway Ricky Ross to all he was running the whole thing. It's like Brooke, come on. Come on. No way. No way. No, no, no. No
  • 3:45:00
  • does not tell I would not be allowed in the conspiracy conspiracy theory community if I didn't let this last chunk of information get by me. Let's just jump right into it Gucci man and Charlemagne to make me think of Gucci clone conspiracies or reflection of how toxic like the hood mentality.
  • 3:45:24
  • I kind of it was entertaining to me. Yeah, I kind of thought it was funny. I enjoyed the Gucci Mane gonna see him for you feel like a clone. Now I don't feel like a clone. But I did kind of like the minute she was fun. It was fun like Danny thanks I'm not really the same person. I didn't look at it like I didn't fit me I kind of wanted him to keep it going. That's a compliment. Yeah, like now now I was saying not not not him. I did again now it's like now not a clone. Keep going with a clone. I don't. I'm not familiar with the Gucci Mane clone. So he made such a transformation come out of jail. People thought he would clone in jail.
  • 3:46:01
  • Okay, well, I don't subscribe to that because I think cloning is a very a tedious process. I do think is this and I do think that but i think they're so unstable. This is just my personal opinion. I don't know any clowns that I don't know. I can't speak for
  • 3:46:19
  • Rocco the dog man I think Rocco might be a clone. Right? So I don't think
  • 3:46:25
  • counting coochie man was the best option. But can I get a little theorem in here? Cuz Uh
  • 3:46:31
  • oh, I do hold on hold on. I got a tune it up. There we go. You gotta plug that thing in. Here we go. Ladies and gentlemen, we're going off the rails mo calls from the can't be good.
  • 3:46:43
  • If you want to subscribe to something happened to Gucci while he was in jail. That helped him with this transformation. I would go more with MK Archer, rather than cloning, because if you change a person's mind on that level, I'm not saying he was I'm just saying I think there's if you want to go conspiracy theory with Gucci man.
  • 3:47:07
  • Pam being in a federal prison in Atlanta, will be a great opportunity to mine control him. That way you can control all his supporters and spawns when he's released back to the streets. I think that's a far more plausible conspiracy. Sure, then the cloning.
  • 3:47:29
  • And well, love It's 45 while America's intellectual and artistic elite were experimenting with acid for self exploration, the US government was secretly giving this powerful new drug to prisoners, prostitutes, drug people who couldn't fight back is one CIA officer put in.
  • 3:47:51
  • Maybe the unabomber was given LSD as well. Though we'll never know for sure. Thanks to CIA director Richard Helms is having most of the program's records destroy.
  • 3:48:04
  • This is Boston mobster Whiting Bolger, who was another illustrious graduate of MK Ultra, and he was definitely given LSD while in Atlanta federal prison as a volunteer. Alleged mobster James whitey Bolger fled Boston in late 1994. His federal agents were about to arrest him in connection with 19 killings racketeering and other crimes that spanned the early 1970s to mid 1980s. Roger went into prison as a small time thug. But when he got out he took over the Boston underworld by corrupting nearly the entire Boston FBI office.
  • 3:48:42
  • James whitey Bolger went on to become Boston's most powerful criminal is spent 16 years on FBI most wanted list. whitey bolger's henchmen later testified during his various trials that the gangster often talked about his experience with LSD, and that it quote, took him to the depths of insanity. Did LSD help transform a simple South Boston truck hijacker into a brilliant criminal and unanswerable question to be sure, but an interesting one nonetheless.
  • 3:49:15
  • I love what evolved. You're coming back man because whitey Bolger fingerprints are over a lot of stuff these days. Do you know who he was? Landon? Yeah, no, go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Now he was in Atlanta, federal prison when he was allegedly put into MK Ultra
  • 3:49:35
  • program. Yeah, and who was involved in
  • 3:49:41
  • whitey bolger's downfall and who has visited him in prison in the last five years?
  • 3:49:48
  • Who was that? I don't know. He got me a special prosecutor Robert Muller.
  • 3:49:55
  • Oh, yeah. Are Muller all connected to whitey Bolger? Why
  • 3:50:00
  • Bolger who died in prison was a very big 45 savage fan.
  • 3:50:08
  • Um, so you take those those four names and and look who wound up dead. Although I don't know if he died if any, we don't know because why don't we know we're just reading something right? Right. So yes to MK Ultra possibly.
  • 3:50:25
  • also possibly that someone got some real truth on the inside. It's like Oh, wait a minute.
  • 3:50:32
  • It's not like I said, I'm not saying I'm not saying that he went under MK Archer. I'm just saying that so far more plausible. If you want to say we can't do it on its own. That's a far more plausible conspiracy. It is. But I think the MK Ultra is actually a cover
  • 3:50:51
  • before the whitey Bolger connections,
  • 3:50:54
  • okay, okay. You know, I'm saying so, yeah, so this is why when I look at, well Moeller everybody, gosh, man. You know,
  • 3:51:05
  • these people are so corrupt. Look at 911 you know, just since since we've since we played the theramin cool coup, who became FBI Director two weeks before 911.
  • 3:51:20
  • That Moeller Robert Muller. Now, ever since J. Edgar Hoover, you know, the black man.
  • 3:51:28
  • Ever since
  • 3:51:29
  • a black man.
  • 3:51:32
  • passable, very passable black man, ever since J. Edgar Hoover started the FBI really as a blackmail operation. And, of course, that all came out a law was put on the books when you couldn't just change easily. And the law was, the FBI Director, by statute cannot be in office more than 10 years. So when we had 911, and we had all the crap going on in the Middle East. And, you know, for those of you who were alive 20 years ago, this 911 thing that was crazy, crazy times, now everyone was confused, everyone was and the internet just just kind of really started going wide, so people could look stuff up. And
  • 3:52:18
  • so when Obama came in, they did something very remarkable. They threw a number of tricks, and I don't even know if it was legal. They somehow finagle this statute of 10 years and gave Robert Muller an extra two years in the Obama administration. I'm telling you, this is rotten to the core. And it's it's, it's, hey, they don't call it the White House for nothing.
  • 3:52:44
  • This it's it's been very, very bad. And it would be beautiful for it all to come out and everyone to be able to see how the upper echelons of our world but certainly of our country have
  • 3:53:00
  • really propagated a war for profit and for lots of power on the American people in different forms. You know, we got we got different drugs for different classes of people we've been through that we've seen it all happen and so what if those people down at the bottom get killed that's who these people are, that's who's really running the country or was running the country or maybe still is we don't know. But that's how bad it is mo and and and, and we've kind of approach it from the bottom up, which is the way to go so the way to look at it is just go all the way up through the chicken to the Clinton to the bushes to the CIA. God knows who else is up above this.
  • 3:53:43
  • You see all the fingerprints yet all you have to do is use and actually to follow the next day follow the paper trail from from the bottom you had to start at one end and we don't know what's the top end so at least we can start at the bottom in and then we keep following the stream and here's here's a thought stop voting for these assholes
  • 3:54:03
  • we gave you a warning at the beginning stop voting for them you're killing yourself as
  • 3:54:12
  • well Adam mess my rap on the verse
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  • and it's just it's an it's just another part of that system man it's everything's been co opted which is why we have to keep podcasting alive. It's the truly the last independent
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  • non send decentralized content distribution system we have if the last post the free media and we do yes it is and we hope that you will continue to support this for this and many other reasons and if you got any type of value from this show, I know I always do but these are four hours of my life I will cherish I love doing this one with you mo because I I learned so much more than other episodes because I mean just what do I know about trap so I know the names etc. But
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  • has been really really educational and I think we got to something good here that people can learn something from. So do consider supporting us at mo facts.com
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  • and as I always say, pay attention to everything and the truth reveal itself mo I look forward to our next encounter my friend
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  • all right See you next time. All right everybody take care most x.com See you next time.
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  • brings on
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  • man oh man.
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  • Before you go home
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  • machine.
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  • against us.
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  • 14. The REAL Gucci Mane vs Young Jeezy Story 1.mp3
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  • 20. TBC48 - Black murder is normal Michael Smith TEDxJacksonville 1 (White Mike).mp3
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  • 25. ... Stops by VerzuzTV to Deliver a Message Regarding... 1.mp3
  • 26. In Class with Carr (LIVE) (Ep. 38) From Gucci Mane and Jeezy to The March on Washington Plan 1.mp3
  • 27. Jeezy Gets Honest On Gucci Mane, Verzuz, ‘So Icy’, Freddie Gibbs + Joe Biden 1.mp3
  • 27a. TBC40 - Bob Woodson - ATLeaders -2- Abuse of demographics hidden by 'Institutional Racism.mp3
  • 28. Growth with Gucci A Conversation with Gucci Mane and Charlamagne Tha God 1.mp3
  • 29. The Autobiography of Malcolm X Read by Joe Morton 4.1.mp3
  • 30. The Autobiography of Malcolm X Read by Joe Morton 4.2.mp3
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  • 33. Mike Murdock - I love new money! (DONATION SHORT).mp3
  • 34. noisey ATLANTA 1.3.mp3
  • 35. Flashback Young Jeezy Recalls Craziest Story with BMF Leader Big Meech.mp3
  • 36. Big Meech RIPS Young Jeezy Apart When I Come Home Your Career Is Over 1.mp3
  • 37. TBC28 - new jack city court scene 1991.mp3
  • 38. BMF Jabari From College to Coke part 1.mp3
  • 39. TBC48 - James Bradley says Roosevelt Opium Empire benefited Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Princeton 1.mp3
  • 40. TBC28 - The Mena Connection - Contra Scandal, Drugs, and Clinton 3.1.mp3
  • 41. The Clinton Chronicles - Who Are The Clintons 1.mp3
  • 42. The Clinton Chronicles - Who Are The Clintons 2.mp3
  • 43. The Clinton Chronicles - Who Are The Clintons 3.mp3
  • 44. Growth with Gucci A Conversation with Gucci Mane and Charlamagne Tha God 2.mp3
  • 45. Whitey Bulger and MK Ultra.mp3
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  • 05a. Who Invented Trap Music 1.mp3
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