Transition Integrity Project: Is this Soros Linked Group Plotting a ''Color Revolution'' Against President Trump?
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In our previous report on Never Trump State Department official George Kent, Revolver News drew attention to the ominous similarities between the strategies and tactics the United States government employs in so-called ''Color Revolutions'' and the coordinated efforts of government bureaucrats, NGOs, and the media to oust President Trump.
This follow-up report will focus specifically on how the ''contested election scenario'' we are hearing so much about plays into the Color Revolution framework '-- indeed, sowing doubt about the democratic legitimacy of the target and coupling it with calls for massive ''mostly peaceful'' demonstrations comes straight out of the Color Revolution playbook. And this is precisely the messaging we've seen from by those same key players in media, government, and the Democrat Party machine, most prominently from a shadowy George Soros-linked group known as the Transition Integrity Project '-- more about them soon.
First, a quick note on Color Revolutions. A ''Color Revolution'' in this context refers to a specific type of coordinated attack that the United States government has been known to deploy against foreign regimes, particularly in Eastern Europe deemed to be ''authoritarian'' and hostile to American interests. Rather than using a direct military intervention to effect regime change as in Iraq, Color Revolutions attack a foreign regime by contesting its electoral legitimacy, organizing mass protests and acts of civil disobedience, and leveraging media contacts to ensure favorable coverage to their agenda in the Western press.
It would be disturbing enough to note a coordinated effort to use these exact same strategies and tactics domestically to undermine or overthrow President Trump. The ominous nature of what we see unfolding before us only truly hits home when one realizes that the people who specialize in these Color Revolution regime change operations overseas are, literally, the very same people attempting to overthrow Trump by using the very same playbook. Given that the most famous Color Revolution was the ''Orange Revolution'' in the Ukraine, and that Black Lives Matter is being used as a key component of the domestic Color Revolution against Trump, we can encapsulate our thesis at Revolver with the simple remark that ''Black is the New Orange.''
Transition Integrity Project:
So what is the Transition Integrity Project, and what does it have to do with the Color Revolution against Trump? Here is how friendly media outlets represent the Transition Integrity Project and its agenda:
A bipartisan group of about 80 political operatives and academics has been involved in discussions about what could happen if President Donald Trump were to lose the November election and then contest the results, potentially refusing to leave the White House.
The Boston Globe first reported on Sunday that the group of Democrats and Republicans (all of whom oppose the president) convened an online meeting to hash out scenarios as part of what has been called the Transition Integrity Project in June. [Newsweek]
Of course, what they do not say about this ostensibly ''bipartisan'' group is that its founder, Rosa Brooks, is a long-time close associate of George Soros and his Open Society Foundation. She served both as special counsel to the President at George Soros' Open Society Foundation and as a Board Member of the Open Society Foundation.
In 2006-2007, Brooks was Special Counsel to the President at the Open Society Institute in New York. Brooks has also served as a consultant for Human Rights Watch'... She currently serves on the advisory board of the Open Society Foundation's US Programs, the advisory board of National Security Action and the board of the Harper's Magazine Foundation. [Georgetown Law]
Media outlets such as the National Pulse have drawn attention Rosa Brooks' Soros connections as well as some interesting connections to Democrat Presidential candidate Joe Biden. It is certainly suspicious that the head of a group claiming to be bipartisan, which runs war games that reinforce the dangerous new talking point that President Trump won't concede the election, just happens to be linked to George Soros and Joe Biden. To top it all off, Never Trump Russiagate fanatics Bill Kristol and David Frum participated in the study as well. In fact, the entire project appears to be a collaboration between establishment Democrats and anti-Trump Republicans. Shockingly, when anti-Trump Republicans pretended to be him in a simulation, they had him do a bunch of illegal and unconstitutional acts! Wow, what an incredibly revealing simulation!
On the one hand it is tempting to look at this as just another case of Democrat operatives falsely representing themselves as bi-partisan and getting away with it due to a compliant media. There is of course some truth to this, but in a deeper sense this interpretation misses the plot completely. The domestic Color Revolution framework hints at something far more dangerous and sinister. George Soros and his Open Society Foundation have played key roles in the Color Revolutions in Eastern Europe, including the famous Orange Revolution and Euromaidan Revolution in the Ukraine, in which mass demonstrations and acts of civil disobedience were organized in order to overthrow the target regime helmed by Russia-aligned Yanukovich. Setting aside the question of whether the overthrow of Yanukovich was justified or in American interests, what is crucial here is the similarity not only in method but even in vocabulary. Mass demonstrations are part of the Color Revolution playbook, especially when they can incite crackdowns that can then be used as further pretext to escalate demonstrations against the target regime. Notice the vocabulary George Soros' Open Society Foundation used to describe the Euromaidan protests:
In late November 2013, Ukrainians took to the streets in peaceful protest after then-president Viktor Yanukovych chose not to sign an agreement that would have integrated the country more closely with the European Union'....
The International Renaissance Foundation part of the Open Society family of foundations, has supported civil society in Ukraine since 1990. For 25 years, the International Renaissance Foundation has worked with civil society organizations defending human rights and justice, tackling corruption, supporting Ukrainian minorities including Tatars and Roma, pursuing health and education reform, and helping to facilitate Ukraine's European integration.
The International Renaissance Foundation played an important role supporting civil society during the Euromaidan protests. The foundation ensured that legal aid was made available throughout the crisis to civic activists, protesters, and journalists; supplied victims of violence with medical care; enabled civil society solidarity and organization; supported channels like Hromadske TV in independent, live reporting about events on the Maidan; and documented cases of torture, beatings, and police and courts abuse. [Open Society Foundation]
This description of the Euromaidan Color Revolution by Brookings Institute scholar Steven Pifer is worth noting:
February 21 marks the sixth anniversary of the end of Ukraine's Maidan Revolution. Three months of largely peaceful protests concluded in a spasm of deadly violence. President Victor Yanukovych fled Kyiv and later Ukraine, prompting the Rada (Ukraine's parliament) to appoint acting leaders pending early elections. [Brookings Institute]
Prior to his post at Brookings, Steven Pifer was of course an Ambassador to Ukraine under President Obama. And, of course, he was actively involved in promoting the failed Ukraine-themed impeachment attempt against President Trump.
It's important to look at the context of what was happening between the U.S. and Ukraine on July 25, Pifer told McFaul. For one thing, Trump had put nearly $400 million in military aid for Ukraine on hold before the call took place. In addition, the two countries were in the midst of planning a meeting between the two leaders at the Oval Office at the time.
''Those are big things for Zelensky, particularly at the beginning of his term in office,'' said Pifer, who is a William J. Perry fellow at the Center for International Security and Cooperation. ''If he can show that he delivers on the assistance and also on the photo op with the American president '-- that looks really good at home. And it's also a good message to send to the Russians: 'I've got a relationship with the Americans.''' [Stanford's Freeman Spogli Institute for International Studies]
Pifer's interlocutor here, McFaul, just happens to have been the Senior Ambassador to Russia under Obama during the period of the Maidan protests. McFaul is yet another Color Revolution specialist who played an active role promoting the impeachment of President Trump. In fact, after Revolver's story exposing State Department official George Kent, McFaul took to Twitter to denounce the term ''color revolution'' in favor of the more palatable ''democratic breakthrough.''
Autocrats have demonized the phrase, "color revolutions." (& revolution generally has a negative connotation for many.) Instead, I use the term "democratic breakthroughs."
'-- Michael McFaul (@McFaul) August 23, 2020
McFaul's Color Revolution bona fides are so substantial he literally wrote the book on it. He is one of two editors of a series of essays ''Revolution in Orange'' about the Orange Color Revolution in Ukraine.
The dramatic series of protests and political events that unfolded in Ukraine in the fall of 2004'--the ''Orange Revolution'''--were seminal both for Ukrainian history and the history of democratization. Pro-Western presidential candidate Viktor Yushchenko was poisoned with dioxin, an industrial pollutant that left him weakened and horribly disfigured. When this assassination attempt failed, the Kremlin-backed ruling party resorted to voter intimidation and massive electoral fraud to win the runoff election. Supporters of Yushchenko responded with a series of strikes, sit-ins, and marches throughout Ukraine. Thanks in large part to this peaceful revolution, the election results were annulled. [Amazon]
Does this plot sound familiar?
Of course this Color Revolution book received a nice blurb by none other than George Soros himself.
Keen observers of the recent transition, Aslund and his coauthors write with authority about the challenges and opportunities Ukraine faces today. Drawing on broad experience in the region, they examine the situation through a comparative lens. This book should be read carefully by students and policy makers alike.''
'--George Soros, Chairman, Open Society Institute
We can start to get a sense that a curiously high percentage of key Trump opposition figures, especially those involved with the impeachment of the President, have or have had some kind of professional role overseeing Color Revolutions in Eastern Europe. The people most viciously and effectively targeting Trump today are regime change professionals of the Color Revolution variety, whose preferred playbook involves a combination of attacking the legitimacy and electoral integrity of their target, mobilizing mass demonstrations of ''mostly peaceful protesters,'' and using any effort to crack down on said protests to further escalate the offensive against the target regime.
Here is a passage from one of the key books on Color Revolutions, literally called ''The Playbook.'' The reader may find some of the highlighted passages relevant to the domestic situation unfolding before our eyes.
Here is another passage:
The author of this book, conveniently titled ''The Democracy Playbook'' just happens to have also participated in the Transition Integrity Project.
Now that we are armed with the Color Revolution framework, and the specific role that electoral legitimacy plays in that model, we are in a strong position to evaluate the true agenda behind the Transition Integrity Project's ''War Game'' scenario suggesting that Trump won't concede the election. The title of Rosa Brooks's Washington Post piece is suggestive, prompting us to wonder whether it is a prediction or a threat: ''What's the Worst that Could Happen: The Election Will Likely Spark Violence and a Constitutional Crisis:''
A landslide for Joe Biden resulted in a relatively orderly transfer of power. Every other scenario we looked at involved street-level violence and political crisis.
Translation: vote for Biden, or else.
Soon, Attorney General William P. Barr opens an investigation into unsubstantiated allegations of massive vote-by-mail fraud and ties between Democratic officials and antifa. In Michigan and Wisconsin, where Biden has won the official vote and Democratic governors have certified slates of pro-Biden electors, the Trump campaign persuades Republican-controlled legislatures to send rival pro-Trump slates to Congress for the electoral college vote.
Translation: despite severe problems with mail in voting, any effort by the Justice Department to ensure the integrity of a mass mail-in system will be interpreted in advance as part of an authoritarian coup on the part of Trump. In other words, if Trump takes any reasonable measures to prevent the Color Revolution coup against him, he will automatically be acting in an authoritarian manner justifying said Color Revolution against him. Funny how that works, isn't it?
In every exercise, both teams sought to mobilize their supporters to take to the streets. Team Biden repeatedly called for peaceful protests, while Team Trump encouraged provocateurs to incite violence, then used the resulting chaos to justify sending federalized Guard units or active-duty military personnel into American cities to ''restore order,''
Translation: No matter how violent these ''peaceful protests'' become, any effort by Trump to establish authority will be used to confirm the pre-determined conclusion that he is an authoritarian and that extraordinary measures must be taken to remove him from office.
Social media platforms can commit to protecting the democratic process, by rapidly removing or correcting false statements spread by foreign or domestic disinformation campaigns and by ensuring that their platforms aren't used to incite or plan violence.
Translation: Social media must be fully censored leading up to the election. Facebook is already doing its part, for instance, by aggressively censoring any mention of Kyle Rittenhouse that suggests he acted in self-defense (he did).
When people unite to demand democracy and the rule of law, even repressive regimes can be stopped in their tracks.
Trump's is a ''repressive regime'' and therefore extraordinary measures usually reserved for repressive regimes overseas''namely, color revolutions''are justified to prevent him from taking office. Note that this sentiment was echoed explicitly in a similar ''roundtable'' discussion on the election done by the New York Times a little over a week ago. One of the contributors, Jamelle Bouie, spelled it out quite explicitly:
I think the Democratic party and its affiliated institutions and organizations need to be prepping basically a defense of ballot counting, sort of a nationwide effort to stop that tampering. I think there needs to be plans for protests and demonstrations. This is going to sound very hyperbolic, but I think that we have to think of the task of getting Trump out as less of a traditional democratic transition and more of something akin to pushing an authoritarian regime out. [New York Times]
One does not ''vote out'' an authoritarian regime, or they are not authoritarian. Dictatorships are only overthrown, and Bouie's statement is an explicit call to do exactly that. The actually-peaceful process of voting must be supplemented''or supplanted''with ''mostly peaceful protests'' if the result isn't correct. Which leads us to the next passage from Rosa Brooks:
Mass mobilization is no guarantee that our democracy will survive '-- but if things go as badly as our exercises suggest they might, a sustained, nonviolent protest movement may be America's best and final hope.
Translation: Just in case Biden isn't able to win fair and square, they have introduced a mail-in voting system that dramatically increases the likelihood of some type of contested election scenario. If that occurs, the outcome of the election will no longer be in the realm of democratic choice, where perhaps the forces against Trump have a disadvantage. Instead, the election becomes an issue of sustained mass mobilization of demonstrators capitalizing on every opportunity for escalation, a full court press by media demonizing every effort by Trump to restore order as authoritarian, and a transmission of the electoral process to court battles which disadvantage Trump.
There is of course one scenario, a very dark one, that remains unexplored. If the Color Revolution against Trump frames him as an authoritarian unwilling to leave office, the only alternative is to remove him by force. Both Al Gore and Joe Biden have already taken the extremely irresponsible and dangerous step of floating a military role in removing Trump should their Color Revolution not turn out the way they plan.
If Trump lost the election but refused to accept the results, Gore said he believes the military would intervene. He noted that under the parameters of the Constitution, Trump's last day in office is Jan. 20, 2021. [Fox News]
So they are setting things up in such a way as to almost ensure that a clear winner will not exist on Election Day, and framing any refusal of President Trump to concede as grounds for military removal. This final stage of the Color Revolution is something that Rosa Brooks of the Transition Integrity Project has entertained for quite some time. The following excerpt is from a piece Rosa Brooks wrote shortly after the 2016 election, suggesting a fourth way to remove Trump from office before 2020.
The fourth possibility is one that until recently I would have said was unthinkable in the United States of America: a military coup, or at least a refusal by military leaders to obey certain orders. [Foreign Policy]
And this is how the Color Revolution operation against Trump and by extension against all of his supporters evidently concludes'--with the possibility of a military coup.
After 2016, a critical mass of ruling class factions in the national security apparatus, state bureaucracies, Big Tech, and media decided that they would never allow the American people to meddle in their own elections again. And as a result of this contempt for the will of the people, our country is closer to an existential crisis than it has been at any period since the Civil War.
In an age of mandated masks there is one metaphorical mask that is slipping'--that is the mask of pretty illusions that covered up the true nature of the American power structure with phrases like ''liberal democracy.'' As this mask slips and we confront both the face and the fist of evil, we must do everything in our power to prevent the complete transformation of this country into the brutal, soulless tyrannies our would be overlords imagine for us and our posterity.
Stay tuned for more explosive coverage of this attempted Color Revolution. Much more to come.
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Joe Biden's election update speech draws celebrity reactions | Fox News
The former vice president addressed the nation after taking leads in several statesOne day after President Trump did the same, Joe Biden appeared before the nation to share his view of the state of the 2020 presidential election.
As votes continue to be counted, Biden took leads in both Pennsylvania and Georgia -- though both states had yet to call their races. A handful of other states' races remained uncalled as well.
During his Thursday address, Trump drew ire from celebrities as he continued to claim widespread voter fraud.
This time around, stars took to Twitter to praise for Biden -- as a path to victory appeared to emerge for the Democratic nominee.
CELEBRITIES REACT TO TRUMP'S ELECTION UPDATE
"How bizzare is it to hear a sane man after these last 4 years," wrote John Cusack. "It's almost weird to hear the sound of coherence."
"I clapped alone in my apt. RELIEVED," said Billy Eichner.
HOLLYWOOD STARTS TO GET EXCITED AS BIDEN PICKS UP BATTLEGROUND STATES; EXPRESSES DISAPPOINTMENT OVER SENATE
"A strong, steady, reasoned President-elect spoke to the nation, and I felt the collective exhale," said "Will & Grace" alum Debra Messing. "America has spoken. The most Americans in US history. She voted for Change. It's going to be ok."
"Quiet," Josh Gad wrote online. "There's a President speaking."
"'Sleepy Joe' all you like, @realDonaldTrump," Jeffrey Wright posted. "Joe Biden is the captain now."
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"The president spoke and it actually made me feel better than i did before he spoke!!!!" said Ben Platt.
Alyssa Milano shared a simple quote from Biden's speech: "We are opponents '-- not enemies."
"Nice to have a human again," said Dylan O'Brien with a red heart emoji.
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In reference to Biden being joined by running mate Sen. Kamala Harris on stage, comedian Natasha Rothwell said: "I will be processing the fact that there is a black woman on the stage right now for the foreseeable future."
chupamelku on Twitter: "@adamcurry That was a quick update... regime change operation / colour revolution is nothing without the complicity of the media, this was so clear here, I hope we can finally realize that the media is the enemy of the people. http
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Sat Nov 07 17:56:56 +0000 2020
President Trump statement: 'This election is far from over'
President Donald Trump looks down at his notes as he speaks at the White House, Thursday, Nov. 5, 2020, in Washington. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)President Donald Trump is not conceding to President-elect Joe Biden, promising unspecified legal challenges seeking to overturn the outcome of the race for the White House.
Trump said in a statement that ''our campaign will start prosecuting our case in court to ensure election laws are fully upheld and the rightful winner is seated.''
The statement began: ''We all know why Joe Biden is rushing to falsely pose as the winner, and why his media allies are trying so hard to help him: they don't want the truth to be exposed. The simple fact is this election is far from over.''
Trump was at his Virginia golf course when the presidential race was called for Biden on Saturday. Biden clinched his victory with a win in Pennsylvania, the state where he was born.
In recent weeks, Trump has alleged '-- without evidence '-- widespread fraud and misconduct in the election.
His comments have drawn bipartisan rebuke from election officials and lawmakers as dangerous attempts to undermine public confidence in the vote.
Biden, in a statement that did not mention his opponent, said: ''With the campaign over, it's time to put the anger and the harsh rhetoric behind us and come together as a nation.''
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Kamala is a Super-spreader | Definition of Super-spreader by Merriam-Webster
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: an individual who is highly contagious and capable of transmitting a communicable disease to an unusually large number of uninfected individuals Health authorities are watching uneasily for an event that could reverse their apparent success in containing the U.S. outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome: the arrival of a so-called super-spreader . '-- M. A. J. McKenna The story of a traveling British businessman who appears to have passed the coronavirus to Britons in at least three countries has prompted concerns over a ' superspreader ,' who could play an outsize role in transmitting the infection. '-- Karla Adam
Voter Irregularity
USPS Worker Charged After Being Arrested at Canadian Border With Stolen Ballots
A United States Postal Service employee was arrested and charged after being stopped at the U.S.-Canada border this week with undelivered mail, including absentee ballots.
Brandon Wilson, 27, of Buffalo, New York is facing a delay or destruction of mail charge, according to a criminal complaint. The charge carries a maximum penalty of five years in prison and a $250,000 fine.
Wilson was stopped at the Canadian border in New York State on Nov. 3 and investigators found over 800 pieces of undelivered mail, including absentee ballots.
According to court documents, on Election Day at approximately 7:34 p.m., Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officers encountered Wilson at the Peace Bridge Port of Entry. The roadway connects the United States and Canada.
As part of a standard vehicle sweep, Wilson was asked to open the trunk of his 2016 Chevrolet Impala. Officers found a mail bin containing numerous mail pieces, along with multiple U.S. Postal Service (USPS) uniform items bearing the service's logo and a USPS identification badge with Wilson's name.
Wilson claimed the mail belonged to him and his mother, but was unable to explain why the letters were addressed to other people living in a variety of zip codes, according to the complaint. Wilson claimed he was not heading to Canada. He said he made a wrong turn. He said he intended to deliver the mail and had forgotten to return the mail to the post office.
The USPS Office of Inspector General was called to retrieve the recovered mail pieces. A subsequent inventory of the recovered mail pieces revealed three absentee ballots sent to two Buffalo addresses from the Erie County, New York Board of Elections. A total of 813 pieces of mail was found.
Cars drive past a mailbox in Morristown, N.J, on Aug. 17, 2020. (Theo Wargo/Getty Images)The letters were destined for zip codes 14227, 14211, 14214, with the majority destined for 14215. Cancellation dates showed seven dates between Sept. 16 and Oct. 26, 2020.
Wilson told special agents with the USPS Office of Inspector General that he placed mail from his assigned delivery routes inside the trunk of his vehicle.
Wilson said he started doing so in September. Overall, he said he placed mail into the trunk on more than four but less than 10 instances.
Wilson ''intended to whittle down the amount of mail in the trunk of his vehicle by placing a small amount of the mail into USPS mis sort containers in the morning before his shift began,'' the criminal complaint states.
Wilson denied knowledge of the election ballots and said he did not steal greeting cards, cash, or checks.
''This Office is committed not only to ensuring the integrity of the mails but also of individuals' rights to vote in a free and fair election,'' U.S. Attorney James Kennedy for the Western District of New York said in a statement. ''The criminal conduct with which this defendant is alleged to have engaged, undermined both of those interests.''
Wilson appeared in U.S. District Court for the Western District of New York by teleconference on Wednesday.
A public defender representing the USPS employee didn't respond to a request for comment.
A spokesman for the USPS told The Buffalo News that Wilson was assigned to ''emergency placement,'' an off duty status without pay.
Zachary Stieber contributed to this report.
'F*ck You, We Did A Good Job': Nate Silver Defends FiveThirtyEight's Election Predictions | The Daily Caller
Nate Silver, the founder and editor-in-chief of FiveThirtyEight, defended the website's polling on a Wednesday podcast, telling critics ''f*ck you, we did a good job.''
''I do want to ask about polling because I think I would be virtually decapitated on Twitter if I didn't get into this,'' FiveThirtyEight podcast host Galen Druke said.''I think some of the biggest polling errors we maybe have seen were in maybe Wisconsin or Florida, but in other states like Georgia we didn't really see that much of a polling error.'' (RELATED: Philadelphia City Commissioners Say They Are Investigating After Video Allegedly Shows GOP Poll Watcher Getting Kicked Out Of Polling Place)
''I know that the pitchforks are already coming for the pollsters,'' Druke continued, ''but what do we make of that scattered result and of the level of rage that we've seen over the past 24 hours?''
Critics expressed frustration after some polling predicted former Vice President Joe Biden beating President Donald Trump by a significant margin when in reality the race turned out to be very close. FiveThirtyEight gave Biden a 71% chance of winning the election '' the same odds the pollsters gave Hillary Clinton in 2016.
'-- Matt Stoller (@matthewstoller) November 5, 2020
That time Nate Silver's FiveThirtyEight owned up to being craptastically wrong again #OppositeDay https://t.co/xqPtHelgxG
'-- Joe Concha (@JoeConchaTV) November 5, 2020
But for real, how the hell does Nate Silver have a job?
'-- Dan Arel (@danarel) November 4, 2020
Nate Silver spent all year analyzing congressional districts and polls and everything possibly related to the election.
And again, he couldn't have been more off. This isn't an NFL game, this is *the country.*
How's this possible? https://t.co/S6Pc8QN9Ol
'-- Jason McIntyre (@jasonrmcintyre) November 4, 2020
''If they're coming after FiveThirtyEight, the answer is f*ck you, we did a good job,'' Silver responded. ''And the reason why is because look, we are here to provide guidance on how accurate the polls might or might not be. And the whole premise of why Joe Biden was a fairly heavy favorite was that he could withstand 2016's style polling error or a bit larger, and even those polls are sometimes wrong.''
''On the one hand, I think it shows increased sophistication that people can say okay, maybe you didn't miscall that many winners,'' Silver added, noting that the only state that Biden lead in the polling average but ended up losing was Florida.
Silver said that in 2016, the polls incorrectly predicted the winner, but in 2020 the polls correctly predicted the winner, but the margins were off.
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Sat Nov 07 20:50:02 +0000 2020
Michigan's Antrim County election results investigated after going blue
LANSING '-- Officials are investigating wonky election results in Antrim County in northern Michigan that could add a few thousand votes to the tallies for President Donald Trump and Republican Senate candidate John James.
Antrim County Clerk Sheryl Guy, a Republican who ran unopposed and won a third four-year term Tuesday in the strongly GOP county, said results on electronic tapes and a computer card were accurate but it appeared that some of the results were somehow scrambled after the cards were transported in sealed bags from township precincts to county offices and downloaded onto a computer.
In 2016, Trump won Antrim County with about 62% of the vote, compared with about 33% for Democrat Hillary Clinton. Trump beat Clinton by about 4,000 votes.
Wednesday morning, Antrim results showed Democrat Joe Biden leading Trump by slightly more than 3,000 votes, with 98% of precincts reporting.
Officials had not checked the results before posting them, but later asked: "How could Democrats take over this county?" Guy said Wednesday.
Now, officials are going over the tape of all the results and inputting the numbers manually, Guy said. They hoped to post updated numbers Wednesday night, she said.
"It takes us back to the '80s, is what it does," said Guy, who has worked for the county for more than 40 years, having served as a deputy clerk before running for the elected post.
Antrim uses Dominion voting equipment and does not use cellular modems to transmit results from precincts to county offices, Guy said. Instead, the data is transported by election officials. Guy said she is in talks with the company that maintains the election equipment but the apparent glitch could also be the result of unspecified "human error."
Tom McMillin, a former state lawmaker from Oakland County and a member of the State Board of Education, said he noticed irregularities with the Antrim County vote totals late Tuesday, when he was checking out returns for Board of Education candidates.
In some precincts, but not all, Biden and other Democratic candidates had far more votes than normal, McMillin said.
"It just looked weird," he said. "Two-thirds of the townships looked really messed up."
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The apparent discrepancy was striking enough that it drew the attention of not just McMillin, but Michigan journalists and other political observers who drew attention to the Antrim numbers on social media.
McMillin said his calculations suggest Trump and James could each be in line for a net vote gain of 4,000 to 5,000 votes. Other candidates would also be affected, he said.
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Detroit city worker blows whistle, claims ballots were ordered backdated, FBI probing | Just The News
First specific allegation in Michigan of systemic acts of voting fraud.
The FBI is investigating allegations of election fraud in Detroit after a city worker stepped forward and claimed election workers were asked to backdate ballots that had come in after the election deadline had passed, multiple officials said.
A senior law enforcement official in Washington confirmed that an investigation was opened after the whistleblower's concerns were forwarded from the Michigan Republican Party. "The FBI is investigating," the official said.
GOP officials in Michigan said the whistleblower was identified and assisted by Phill Kline, the head of the Thomas More Society's Amistad Project, which has been litigating voting disputes and irregularities across the country for months.
Kline declined comment.
But Michigan GOP chairwoman Laura Cox confirmed Friday afternoon the here party referred a whistleblower to the FBI and U.S. attorney in Detroit.
"The MIGOP has referred a whistleblower case to the U.S. Attorney in which a city of Detroit employee was directed to change the date of receipt, in the official election record on ballots which had been received after the deadline," Cox said. "This directive allegedly came from both City and State employees who were working at the TCF center. These allegations are highlighted by the city of Detroit's attempt to block Republican poll challengers from supervising this process."
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Election Infrastructure Security, CISAElection Security, DHSFederal Role in U.S. Campaigns and Elections: An Overview, CRSMail-in Voting Integrity Safeguards, CISAMail-in Voting 2020 Risk Assessment, CISAYour local or state election officials EAC state-by-state directoryLink directly to this rumor by using: https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol#rumor19 Reality: Robust safeguards including canvassing and auditing procedures help ensure the accuracy of official election results.
Rumor: A bad actor could change election results without detection.
Get the Facts: The systems and processes used by election officials to tabulate votes and certify official results are protected by various safeguards that help ensure the accuracy of election results. These safeguards include measures that help ensure tabulation systems function as intended, protect against malicious software, and enable the identification and correction of any irregularities.
Every state has voting system safeguards to ensure each ballot cast in the election can be correctly counted. State procedures often include testing and certification of voting systems, required auditable logs, and software checks, such as logic and accuracy tests, to ensure that ballots are properly counted before election results are made official. With these security measures, election officials can check to determine that devices are running the certified software and functioning properly.
Every state also has laws and processes to verify vote tallies before results are officially certified. State processes include robust chain-of-custody procedures, auditable logs, and canvass processes. The vast majority of votes cast in this election will be cast on paper ballots or using machines that produce a paper audit trail, which allow for tabulation audits to be conducted from the paper record in the event any issues emerge with the voting system software, audit logs, or tabulation. These canvass and certification procedures are also generally conducted in the public eye, as political party representatives and other observers are typically allowed to be present, to add an additional layer of verification.
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Election Results Reporting Risks and Mitigations, CISAElection Infrastructure Cyber Risk Assessment, CISAMail-in Voting Integrity Safeguards, CISAMail-in Voting Processing Factors Map, CISAPost-Election Process Mapping Infographic, CISAYour local or state election officials. EAC state-by-state directoryPost-election audits, NCSLPolicies for Election Observers, NSCLLink directly to this rumor by using: https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol#rumor17 Reality: Election results reporting may occur more slowly than prior years. This does not indicate there is any problem with the counting process or results. Official results are not certified until all validly cast ballots have been counted, including ballots that are counted after election night.
Rumor: If results as reported on election night change over the ensuing days or weeks, the process is hacked or compromised, so I can't trust the results.
Get the Facts: Elections will look different this year amidst the COVID-19 pandemic. Although ballot processing in some states may take longer than in past years due to increases in mail-in ballot usage and process adaptations to make voting safer during the pandemic, this does not impact the accuracy of the counting process. Election results reported on election night are always unofficial and are provided solely for voters' convenience. In fact, no state requires that official results be certified on election night itself. Fluctuations in unofficial results reporting will occur during and after election night as more ballots are processed and counted, often including military and overseas ballots, and validated provisional ballots. Variations in state processes may also mean ballots cast through different methods (e.g., early in-person voting, mail-in voting, and election day voting) are counted and unofficially reported in different orders. Official results are released after rigorous canvassing (verification) and certification by local and state election officials.
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FBI-CISA Public Service Announcement: Foreign Actors and Cybercriminals Likely to Spread Disinformation Regarding 2020 Election ResultsElection Results Reporting Risks and Mitigations, CISAMail-in Voting 2020 Risk Assessment, CISAMail-in Voting Integrity Safeguards, CISAMail-in Voting Processing Factors Map, CISAPost-Election Process Mapping Infographic, CISAUSPS Election Mail Information Center, USPSFederal Election Results FAQs, CRSState Election Canvassing Timeframes and Recount Thresholds, NASSAfter the Voting Ends: The Steps to Complete an Election, NCSLElection Security State Policies, NCSLChanges to Mail in Voting in 2020, NCSLLink directly to this rumor by using: https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol#rumor14 Reality: Provisional ballots are counted in every election regardless of result margins.
Rumor: Provisional ballots are only counted if there's a close race.
Get the Facts: All provisional ballots are reviewed by election officials in every election regardless of result margins. Provisional ballots cast by individuals whose eligibility can be verified are counted. Additionally, election officials are required to provide individuals who cast provisional ballots written information regarding how they can determine whether their vote was counted and, if it was not counted, the reason for its rejection.
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52 U.S.C. § 21082Post-Election Process Mapping Infographic, CISAProvisional Ballots, NCSLState Policies on Voting In-Person or Changing Vote After Requesting a Mail/Absentee Ballot, NASSYour local or state election officials. EAC state-by-state directoryLink directly to this rumor by using: https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol#rumor15 Reality: In some circumstances, elections officials are permitted to ''duplicate'' or otherwise further mark cast ballots to ensure they can be properly counted.
Rumor: Witnessing election officials marking ballots means that fraudulent voting is taking place.
Get the Facts: Some ballots cannot be read by a ballot scanner due to issues such as damage or misprinting. Some jurisdictions hand count such ballots, while others create duplicate ballots so they can be read by a ballot scanner. Some jurisdictions permit election officials to enhance markings on ballots that are too faint to scan following a process to adjudicate the voter's intent based on state law. In jurisdictions where duplication of unscannable ballots is permitted, election officials duplicate the ballot precisely to ensure all the voter's choices are transferred correctly to the new ballot. Both the original and duplicate ballot are labeled and logged so that the two ballots can be tracked and audited. Many jurisdictions require bipartisan teams of two or four personnel to complete this process and verify that votes are accurately transferred to duplicated ballots. The process is often open to public observation.
In some jurisdictions, ballot duplication is referred to as ballot remaking, ballot replication, or ballot transcription.
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After the Voting Ends: The Steps to Complete an Election, NCSLBallot Duplication blog series, Council of State Governments Overseas Voting InitiativeYour local or state election officials EAC state-by-state directory.Link directly to this rumor by using: https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol#rumor16 Reality: Election night results are not official results.
Rumor: If election night reporting sites experience an outage, vote counts will be lost or manipulated.
Get the Facts: Election night results are not official results. These sites may experience outages due to a variety of issues including too many people trying to view the site or cyberattacks. Such disruptions do not impact the integrity of votes or the official certified results. Election results made available on election night are always unofficial. Official results are rigorously canvassed (reviewed), and certified by local and state election officials. Most states have requirements for post-election audits as well.
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FBI-CISA Public Service Announcement: Foreign Actors and Cybercriminals Likely to Spread Disinformation Regarding 2020 Election ResultsFBI-CISA Public Service Announcement: Cyber Threats to Voting Processes Could Slow But Not Prevent VotingPost-Election Process Mapping Infographic, CISAFederal Election Results FAQs, CRSLink directly to this rumor by using: https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol#rumor11 Reality: A defaced or manipulated election night reporting webpage would not impact counting and certification of official results.
Rumor: If the election night reporting webpage is defaced or displays incorrect results, the integrity of the election is compromised.
Get the Facts: If a webpage has been defaced or is displaying incorrect results, it would not impact the integrity of votes or the official certified results. Election results made available on election night are always unofficial.
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FBI-CISA Public Service Announcement: Foreign Actors and Cybercriminals Likely to Spread Disinformation Regarding 2020 Election ResultsFBI-CISA Public Service Announcement: Cyber Threats to Voting Processes Could Slow But Not Prevent VotingPost-Election Process Mapping Infographic, CISALink directly to this rumor by using: https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol#rumor12 Reality: Malicious actors can use fake personas and impersonate real accounts.
Rumor: If a social media account claims an identity, the account must be run by that person or organization.
Get the Facts: Malicious actors often use fake personas and impersonate real accounts to trick the public into believing disinformation, including election-related disinformation.
Popular social media platforms such as Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Snapchat, and others provide an indication, such as a checkmark that is either blue or grey, to indicate that an account is verified by the platform. If an account claims to be a well-known person or official organization but is not verified, they may be an imposter.
There are multiple things to look for if you think an account is fake or spoofed. Is the account brand new? Do they create content or merely re-share? Do they have a coherent profile description and does it match what they are sharing? Do they have a real profile photo? A best practice when looking for election-related information is to go to trusted sources, like your local election official.
If you find a suspicious social media post or account, consider reporting the activity to the platform so others don't get duped. Most platforms have a ''report'' function built into posts, so it's easy to report suspicious items, such as misinformation about election infrastructure. If an account is posting election disinformation, consider reporting to your state or local election official.
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CISA Disinformation Toolkit#TrustedInfo2020, NASSVoter Resources: State Voter Information, NASEDVoting and Elections Information, usa.govYour local or state election officials EAC state-by-state directoryLink directly to this rumor by using: https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol#rumor1 Reality: Cyber actors can "spoof" or forge email sender addresses to look like they come from someone else.
Rumor: I received an election-related email that looks like it came from a certain organization, so the organization must have sent it.
Get the Facts: Cyber actors can forge emails to look like they came from someone else. This common tactic is called email spoofing, where attackers send an email pretending to be from a specific domain or organization in an attempt to harvest personal data or spread malware. Such spoofed emails can also be used to disseminate false or inflammatory information. To send realistic-looking emails, cyber actors may forge the sender address to hide the origin of an email or set up spoofed domains that have a slightly different name from the real domain. Always be wary of out of the ordinary emails and look to trusted sources, such as the organization's official website, in order to verify. Never provide personal information or download files from suspicious emails. If you receive a suspicious election-related email, consider reporting it to your local election official or local FBI field office.
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FBI-CISA Public Service Announcement: Spoofed Internet Domains and Email Accounts Pose Cyber and Disinformation Risks to VotersActions to Counter Email-based Attacks on Election-Related Entities, CISAEnhanced Email and Web Security, CISALink directly to this rumor by using: https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol#rumor2 Reality: Some voter registration data is publicly available.
Rumor: Someone possessing or posting voter registration data means voter registration databases have been hacked .
Get the Facts: Some voter registration information is public information and is available to political campaigns, researchers, and often members of the public, frequently for purchase. According to a recent FBI and CISA public alert, cyber actors may make false claims of ''hacked'' voter information to undermine confidence in U.S. democratic institutions.
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Availability of State Voter File and Confidential InformationFBI-CISA Public Service Announcement: False Claims of Hacked Voter Information Likely Intended to Cast Doubt on Legitimacy of U.S. ElectionsAccess To and Use Of Voter Registration Lists, NCSLLink directly to this rumor by using: https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol#rumor3 Reality: Online voter registration websites can experience outages for non-malicious reasons.
Rumor: An online voter registration website experiences an outage and claims are made the election has been compromised.
Get the Facts: Outages in online voter registration systems occur for a variety of reasons, including configuration errors, hardware issues, natural disasters, communications infrastructure issues, and distributed denial of service (DDoS) attacks. As CISA and FBI warned in a recent public alert, a system outage does not necessarily mean the integrity of voter registration information or any other election system has been impacted. When an outage occurs, election officials work to verify the integrity of voter registration information.
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FBI-CISA Public Service Announcement: False Claims of Hacked Voter Information Likely Intended to Cast Doubt on Legitimacy of U.S. ElectionsSecuring Voter Registration Data, CISAYour local or state election officials EAC state-by-state directoryLink directly to this rumor by using: https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol#rumor4 Reality: A compromise of a state or local government system does not necessarily mean election infrastructure or the integrity of your vote has been compromised.
Rumor: If state or local jurisdiction information technology (IT) has been compromised, the election results cannot be trusted.
Get the Facts: Hacks of state and local IT systems should not be minimized; however, a compromise of state or local IT systems does not mean those systems are election-related. Even if an election-related system is compromised, a compromise of a system does not necessarily mean the integrity of the vote has been affected. Election officials have multiple safeguards and contingencies in place, including provisional ballots or backup paper poll books that limit the impact from a cyber incident with minimal disruption to voting. Additionally, having an auditable paper record ensures that the vote count can be verified and validated.
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FBI-CISA Public Service Announcement: Cyber Threats to Voting Processes Could Slow But Not Prevent VotingElection Infrastructure Cyber Risk Assessment, CISALink directly to this rumor by using: https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol#rumor5 Reality: Malicious actors can fake manipulation of voter registration data to spread disinformation.
Rumor: Videos, images or emails suggesting voter registration information is being manipulated means voters will not be able to vote.
Get the Facts: Claims are easy to fake and can be used for disinformation purposes. If voter registration data were to be manipulated, states have several safeguards in place to enable voters to vote, including offline backups of registration data, provisional ballots, and in several states, same-day registration.
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FBI-CISA Public Service Announcement: False Claims of Hacked Voter Information Likely Intended to Cast Doubt on Legitimacy of U.S. ElectionsSecuring Voter Registration Data, CISASecuring Voter Registration Systems, NCSLLink directly to this rumor by using: https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol#rumor6 Reality: Safeguards are in place to prevent home-printed or photocopied mail-in ballots from being counted.
Rumor: A malicious actor can easily defraud an election by printing and sending in extra mail-in ballots.
Get the Facts: This is false. Committing fraud through photocopied or home-printed ballots would be highly difficult to do successfully. This is because each local election office has security measures in place to detect such malicious activity. While the specific measures vary, in accordance with state and local election laws and practices, such security measures include signature matching, information checks, barcodes, watermarks, and precise paper weights.
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Mail-in Voting Election Integrity Safeguards Infographic, CISALink directly to this rumor by using: https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol#rumor7 Reality: Safeguards are in place to protect against fraudulent voting using the Federal Write-In Absentee Ballot (FWAB).
Rumor: A malicious actor can easily defraud an election using the Federal Write-In Absentee Ballot (FWAB).
Get the Facts: Changing an election using fraudulently submitted FWABs would be highly difficult to do. This is because election offices have security measures in place to detect such activity.
The FWAB is primarily used as a backup ballot for military and overseas voters who requested but did not yet receive their absentee ballot. FWAB users must provide their signature and meet varying state voter registration and absentee ballot request requirements, which can include provision of full or partial social security number, state identification number, proof of identification, and/or witness signature.
Since only military and overseas voters are eligible to use the FWAB, relatively few of them are submitted each election. In 2016, states reported that only 23,291 total FWABs were submitted nationwide, with all but six states receiving less than 1,000 FWABs statewide. Since use is relatively rare, spikes in FWAB usage would be detected as anomalous.
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52 U.S.C. §'¯20303Voting Assistance Guide, FVAPElection Forms and Tools for Sending, FVAP2016 Election Administration and Voting Survey Comprehensive Report, EACLink directly to this rumor by using: https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol#rumor8 Reality: Election officials provide writing instruments that are approved for marking ballots to all in-person voters using hand-marked paper ballots.
Rumor: Poll workers gave specific writing instruments, such as Sharpies, only to specific voters to cause their ballots to be rejected.
Get the Facts: Election jurisdictions allow voters to mark ballots with varying types of writing instruments, based on state law and other considerations such as tabulation system requirements. Poll workers are required to provide approved writing devices to voters.
Although felt-tip pens, like Sharpies, may bleed through ballots, some election officials have stated that ballot tabulation equipment in their jurisdictions can still read these ballots. Many jurisdictions even design their ballots with offset columns to prevent any potential bleed through from impacting the ability to easily scan both sides of ballots.
If a ballot has issues that impact its ability to be scanned, it can be hand counted or duplicated, or adjudicated by election officials, who use defined procedures such as chain of custody to ensure protect ballot secrecy and integrity. Many states additionally have ''voter intent'' laws that allow for ballots to be counted even when issues such as bleed-throughs or stray marks are present, as long as the voter's intent can still be determined.
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After the Voting Ends: The Steps to Complete an Election, NCSLBallot Duplication blog series, Council of State Governments Overseas Voting InitiativeYour local or state election officials. EAC state-by-state directoryLink directly to this rumor by using: https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol#rumor18 Reality: Voters are protected by state and federal law from threats or intimidation at the polls, including from election observers.
Rumor: Observers in the polling place are permitted to intimidate voters, campaign, and interfere with voting.
Get the Facts: While most states have a process to permit a limited number of credentialed or registered observers at in-person voting locations to observe the voting process, state and federal laws offer voters general protection from threats and intimidation, including from observers. States use varying terms for observers, including ''poll watchers,'' ''challengers,'' and ''poll agents.'' In general, observers are prohibited from violating ballot secrecy, campaigning, collecting private voter information, and obstructing or interfering with the voting process. Observers in some states may report potential issues to election officials, such as questioned eligibility of a voter, suspicious behavior, or suspected rule violations. Intimidation or threatening behavior is never permissible.
Under certain circumstances, the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) Civil Rights Division may monitor polling place procedures for the protection of voters under federal voting rights laws. International observers, including delegations from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe or the Organization for American States, who have been invited by the U.S. Department of State, may also observe in-person voting processes in some states.
If you feel that you've been a victim of, or witnessed, voter intimidation or threats, please report the experience to the DOJ Civil Rights Division's Voting Section by phone 800-253-3931 or through its complaint portal at https://civilrights.justice.gov/. If you experience an emergency, please call 911.
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18 U.S.C. § 245(b)(1)(A), 18 U.S.C. §'¯594, 52 U.S.C. §'¯20511, 18 U.S.C. §§ 241 and 242Election Crimes and Security, FBIFederal Prosecution of Election Offenses, DOJAbout Federal Observers and Election Monitoring, DOJState Laws on Poll Watchers and Challengers, NASSPoll Watchers and Challengers, NCSLPolicies for Election Observers, NCSLOSCE/ODIHR Election Observation USA 2020 Factsheet, OSCELink directly to this rumor by using: https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol#rumor13 Reality: Safeguards are in place to protect ballot secrecy.
Rumor: Someone is claiming to know who I voted for.
Get the Facts: Ballot secrecy is guaranteed by law in all states. Election officials implement various safeguards to protect voters' choices from being viewable or knowable by others, including the election officials themselves. With few exceptions, these security measures ensure that individual ballots, once cast, cannot be traced back to the voters who cast them. For in-person voting, privacy measures include dividers between voting stations and requirements that poll workers maintain distance from voters while they are casting their ballots. For mail-in and provisional voting, election officials follow strict procedures to ensure ballot secrecy when ballots are retrieved from mail-in and provisional ballot envelopes.
Ballot secrecy rights may be voluntarily waived by voters in certain circumstances, and waiver may be required in some of these, such as military and overseas voters that vote by fax or e-mail.
While ballot choices are secret in almost all circumstances, a voter's party affiliation and history of voting generally are not. Information contained in voter registration records, such as name, address, phone number, and political party affiliation (in states with party-based voter registration), is generally available to political parties and others. This data also regularly contains information on whether a voter voted in a particular election, but not their ballot choices.
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Voting Outside the Polling Place: Absentee, All-Mail and other Voting at Home Options, NCSL Secrecy of the Ballot and Ballot Selfies, NCSLStates that are Required to Provide Secrecy Sleeves for Absentee/Mail Ballots, NCSLAccess To and Use of Voter Registration Lists, NCSLLink directly to this rumor by using: https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol#rumor9 Reality: Polling place lookup sites can experience outages for non-malicious reasons.
Rumor: If polling place lookup sites experience an outage, election infrastructure must have been compromised.
Get the Facts: Polling place lookup sites, like all websites, may experience outages for a variety of reasons, impacting their availability to voters. Polling place lookup sites are not connected to infrastructure that counts votes and are typically segmented from infrastructure that enables voting, such as the voter registration database. Election officials will point potential voters to alternate tools and resources for this information in the event of an issue.
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Election Infrastructure Cyber Risk Assessment, CISAElection Infrastructure Cyber Risk Infographic, CISAYour local or state election officials EAC state-by-state directoryLink directly to this rumor by using: https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol#rumor10
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Dominion voting systems
This financial analysis (Benford's Law of Anomalous Numbers) is used in forensic accounting by the SEC to detect fake numerical data. Enron's financials stood out as doctored under this model.
In 2018 an analysis of the 2016 election results in Milwaukee showed suspicious numbers for Hillary. Beyond that thesis, the suspicious counties showed a common machine vendor of Dominion.
The examiner reports identified multiple hardware and software issues that preclude the Office of the
Texas Secretary of State from determining that the Democracy Suite 5.5-A system satisfies each of
the voting-system requirements set forth in the Texas Election Code.
Specifically, the examiner reports raise concerns about whether the Democracy Suite 5.5-A system is suitable for its intended purpose; operates efficiently and accurately; and is safe from FRAUDULENT or unauthorized MANIPULATION. (note: emphasis mine)
Therefore, the Democracy Suite 5.5-A system and corresponding hardware devices do
not meet the standards for certification prescribed by Section 122.001 of the Texas Election Code.
The companies ''uploaded something last night, which is not normal, and it caused a glitch,'' said Marcia Ridley, elections supervisor at Spalding County Board of Election. That glitch prevented pollworkers from using the pollbooks to program smart cards that the voters insert into the voting machines.
Ridley said that a representative from the two companies called her after poll workers began having problems with the equipment Tuesday morning and said the problem was due to an upload to the machines by one of their technicians overnight.
''That is something that they don't ever do. I've never seen them update anything the day before the election,'' Ridley said. Ridley said she did not know what the upload contained.
Gabriel Sterling, voting system implementation manager in the secretary of state's office, told reporters that the issue likely was a dataset that got uploaded to the systems, but that they don't know for certain. He did not say if the dataset was uploaded by the voting machine vendor.
Sterling told reporters the issue took some time to fix because technicians had to bring in additional equipment to correct the problem.
Neither Dominion nor KnowInk responded to a request to comment. A spokesperson for the secretary of state's office also did not respond to follow-up questions about who uploaded the dataset and whether it had been reviewed and tested by anyone beforehand.
Jennifer Doran, elections director for the Morgan County Board of Elections and Registration, said the issue was with how the KnowInk pollbooks encode a voter access card that is used with the Dominion voting machines.
When voters sign in at a voting location, poll workers insert a voter access card into the Poll Pad tablet and encode it for that voter. The card is then inserted into voting machines to display the proper ballot for that voter. The glitch apparently prevented poll workers from encoding those cards.
''Morgan County poll workers did a great job of quickly moving to emergency backup procedures so that voters were able to continue voting,'' Doran said. She said Dominion technicians fixed the issue.
The counties devised a workaround in some cases by having poll managers use their own card and a code to initialize the voting machine for each voter. But this caused long lines at some precincts.
Georgia uses Dominion voting machines and KnowInk Poll Pads statewide '-- systems that the state only deployed in every county for the first time this year after replacing its previous 20-year-old electronic voting systems. It's not clear why other Georgia counties did not have the problems Morgan and Spalding had.
Eric Geller contributed to this report.
Software Glitch Caused 6,000 Votes to Switch From Trump to Biden in One MI County '-- 47 MI Counties Used This Software '' TopTradeGurus
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Mis- and Disinformation can undermine public confidence in the electoral process, as well as in our democracy.
A message from the CISA Director.
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This webpage is for people with questions about the security of their vote and preemptively debunks potential areas for disinformation. You can learn more about mis- and disinformation from CISA's Countering Foreign Influence Task Force. Click an icon below to go directly to that section.
Reality: The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) do not design or audit ballots, which are processes managed by state and local election officials.
Rumor: DHS or CISA printed paper ballots with security measures and is auditing results as a countermeasure against ballot counterfeiting.
Get the Facts: While DHS and CISA assist states and localities with securing election infrastructure, DHS and CISA do not design, print, or audit ballots. State and local election officials manage ballot design and printing, as well as the auditing of results.
Local election offices have security and detection measures in place that make it highly difficult to commit fraud through counterfeit ballots. While the specific measures vary, in accordance with state and local election laws and practices, ballot security measures can include signature matching, information checks, barcodes, watermarks, and precise paper weights.
DHS and CISA operate in support of state and local election officials, and do not administer elections or handle ballots. CISA's role in election security includes sharing information, such as cyber threat indicators, with state and local election officials, as well as providing technical cybersecurity services (e.g. vulnerability scanning) upon the request of those officials.
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Election Infrastructure Security, CISAElection Security, DHSFederal Role in U.S. Campaigns and Elections: An Overview, CRSMail-in Voting Integrity Safeguards, CISAMail-in Voting 2020 Risk Assessment, CISAYour local or state election officials EAC state-by-state directoryLink directly to this rumor by using: https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol#rumor19 Reality: Robust safeguards including canvassing and auditing procedures help ensure the accuracy of official election results.
Rumor: A bad actor could change election results without detection.
Get the Facts: The systems and processes used by election officials to tabulate votes and certify official results are protected by various safeguards that help ensure the accuracy of election results. These safeguards include measures that help ensure tabulation systems function as intended, protect against malicious software, and enable the identification and correction of any irregularities.
Every state has voting system safeguards to ensure each ballot cast in the election can be correctly counted. State procedures often include testing and certification of voting systems, required auditable logs, and software checks, such as logic and accuracy tests, to ensure that ballots are properly counted before election results are made official. With these security measures, election officials can check to determine that devices are running the certified software and functioning properly.
Every state also has laws and processes to verify vote tallies before results are officially certified. State processes include robust chain-of-custody procedures, auditable logs, and canvass processes. The vast majority of votes cast in this election will be cast on paper ballots or using machines that produce a paper audit trail, which allow for tabulation audits to be conducted from the paper record in the event any issues emerge with the voting system software, audit logs, or tabulation. These canvass and certification procedures are also generally conducted in the public eye, as political party representatives and other observers are typically allowed to be present, to add an additional layer of verification.
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Election Results Reporting Risks and Mitigations, CISAElection Infrastructure Cyber Risk Assessment, CISAMail-in Voting Integrity Safeguards, CISAMail-in Voting Processing Factors Map, CISAPost-Election Process Mapping Infographic, CISAYour local or state election officials. EAC state-by-state directoryPost-election audits, NCSLPolicies for Election Observers, NSCLLink directly to this rumor by using: https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol#rumor17 Reality: Election results reporting may occur more slowly than prior years. This does not indicate there is any problem with the counting process or results. Official results are not certified until all validly cast ballots have been counted, including ballots that are counted after election night.
Rumor: If results as reported on election night change over the ensuing days or weeks, the process is hacked or compromised, so I can't trust the results.
Get the Facts: Elections will look different this year amidst the COVID-19 pandemic. Although ballot processing in some states may take longer than in past years due to increases in mail-in ballot usage and process adaptations to make voting safer during the pandemic, this does not impact the accuracy of the counting process. Election results reported on election night are always unofficial and are provided solely for voters' convenience. In fact, no state requires that official results be certified on election night itself. Fluctuations in unofficial results reporting will occur during and after election night as more ballots are processed and counted, often including military and overseas ballots, and validated provisional ballots. Variations in state processes may also mean ballots cast through different methods (e.g., early in-person voting, mail-in voting, and election day voting) are counted and unofficially reported in different orders. Official results are released after rigorous canvassing (verification) and certification by local and state election officials.
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FBI-CISA Public Service Announcement: Foreign Actors and Cybercriminals Likely to Spread Disinformation Regarding 2020 Election ResultsElection Results Reporting Risks and Mitigations, CISAMail-in Voting 2020 Risk Assessment, CISAMail-in Voting Integrity Safeguards, CISAMail-in Voting Processing Factors Map, CISAPost-Election Process Mapping Infographic, CISAUSPS Election Mail Information Center, USPSFederal Election Results FAQs, CRSState Election Canvassing Timeframes and Recount Thresholds, NASSAfter the Voting Ends: The Steps to Complete an Election, NCSLElection Security State Policies, NCSLChanges to Mail in Voting in 2020, NCSLLink directly to this rumor by using: https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol#rumor14 Reality: Provisional ballots are counted in every election regardless of result margins.
Rumor: Provisional ballots are only counted if there's a close race.
Get the Facts: All provisional ballots are reviewed by election officials in every election regardless of result margins. Provisional ballots cast by individuals whose eligibility can be verified are counted. Additionally, election officials are required to provide individuals who cast provisional ballots written information regarding how they can determine whether their vote was counted and, if it was not counted, the reason for its rejection.
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52 U.S.C. § 21082Post-Election Process Mapping Infographic, CISAProvisional Ballots, NCSLState Policies on Voting In-Person or Changing Vote After Requesting a Mail/Absentee Ballot, NASSYour local or state election officials. EAC state-by-state directoryLink directly to this rumor by using: https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol#rumor15 Reality: In some circumstances, elections officials are permitted to ''duplicate'' or otherwise further mark cast ballots to ensure they can be properly counted.
Rumor: Witnessing election officials marking ballots means that fraudulent voting is taking place.
Get the Facts: Some ballots cannot be read by a ballot scanner due to issues such as damage or misprinting. Some jurisdictions hand count such ballots, while others create duplicate ballots so they can be read by a ballot scanner. Some jurisdictions permit election officials to enhance markings on ballots that are too faint to scan following a process to adjudicate the voter's intent based on state law. In jurisdictions where duplication of unscannable ballots is permitted, election officials duplicate the ballot precisely to ensure all the voter's choices are transferred correctly to the new ballot. Both the original and duplicate ballot are labeled and logged so that the two ballots can be tracked and audited. Many jurisdictions require bipartisan teams of two or four personnel to complete this process and verify that votes are accurately transferred to duplicated ballots. The process is often open to public observation.
In some jurisdictions, ballot duplication is referred to as ballot remaking, ballot replication, or ballot transcription.
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After the Voting Ends: The Steps to Complete an Election, NCSLBallot Duplication blog series, Council of State Governments Overseas Voting InitiativeYour local or state election officials EAC state-by-state directory.Link directly to this rumor by using: https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol#rumor16 Reality: Election night results are not official results.
Rumor: If election night reporting sites experience an outage, vote counts will be lost or manipulated.
Get the Facts: Election night results are not official results. These sites may experience outages due to a variety of issues including too many people trying to view the site or cyberattacks. Such disruptions do not impact the integrity of votes or the official certified results. Election results made available on election night are always unofficial. Official results are rigorously canvassed (reviewed), and certified by local and state election officials. Most states have requirements for post-election audits as well.
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FBI-CISA Public Service Announcement: Foreign Actors and Cybercriminals Likely to Spread Disinformation Regarding 2020 Election ResultsFBI-CISA Public Service Announcement: Cyber Threats to Voting Processes Could Slow But Not Prevent VotingPost-Election Process Mapping Infographic, CISAFederal Election Results FAQs, CRSLink directly to this rumor by using: https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol#rumor11 Reality: A defaced or manipulated election night reporting webpage would not impact counting and certification of official results.
Rumor: If the election night reporting webpage is defaced or displays incorrect results, the integrity of the election is compromised.
Get the Facts: If a webpage has been defaced or is displaying incorrect results, it would not impact the integrity of votes or the official certified results. Election results made available on election night are always unofficial.
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FBI-CISA Public Service Announcement: Foreign Actors and Cybercriminals Likely to Spread Disinformation Regarding 2020 Election ResultsFBI-CISA Public Service Announcement: Cyber Threats to Voting Processes Could Slow But Not Prevent VotingPost-Election Process Mapping Infographic, CISALink directly to this rumor by using: https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol#rumor12 Reality: Malicious actors can use fake personas and impersonate real accounts.
Rumor: If a social media account claims an identity, the account must be run by that person or organization.
Get the Facts: Malicious actors often use fake personas and impersonate real accounts to trick the public into believing disinformation, including election-related disinformation.
Popular social media platforms such as Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Snapchat, and others provide an indication, such as a checkmark that is either blue or grey, to indicate that an account is verified by the platform. If an account claims to be a well-known person or official organization but is not verified, they may be an imposter.
There are multiple things to look for if you think an account is fake or spoofed. Is the account brand new? Do they create content or merely re-share? Do they have a coherent profile description and does it match what they are sharing? Do they have a real profile photo? A best practice when looking for election-related information is to go to trusted sources, like your local election official.
If you find a suspicious social media post or account, consider reporting the activity to the platform so others don't get duped. Most platforms have a ''report'' function built into posts, so it's easy to report suspicious items, such as misinformation about election infrastructure. If an account is posting election disinformation, consider reporting to your state or local election official.
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CISA Disinformation Toolkit#TrustedInfo2020, NASSVoter Resources: State Voter Information, NASEDVoting and Elections Information, usa.govYour local or state election officials EAC state-by-state directoryLink directly to this rumor by using: https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol#rumor1 Reality: Cyber actors can "spoof" or forge email sender addresses to look like they come from someone else.
Rumor: I received an election-related email that looks like it came from a certain organization, so the organization must have sent it.
Get the Facts: Cyber actors can forge emails to look like they came from someone else. This common tactic is called email spoofing, where attackers send an email pretending to be from a specific domain or organization in an attempt to harvest personal data or spread malware. Such spoofed emails can also be used to disseminate false or inflammatory information. To send realistic-looking emails, cyber actors may forge the sender address to hide the origin of an email or set up spoofed domains that have a slightly different name from the real domain. Always be wary of out of the ordinary emails and look to trusted sources, such as the organization's official website, in order to verify. Never provide personal information or download files from suspicious emails. If you receive a suspicious election-related email, consider reporting it to your local election official or local FBI field office.
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FBI-CISA Public Service Announcement: Spoofed Internet Domains and Email Accounts Pose Cyber and Disinformation Risks to VotersActions to Counter Email-based Attacks on Election-Related Entities, CISAEnhanced Email and Web Security, CISALink directly to this rumor by using: https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol#rumor2 Reality: Some voter registration data is publicly available.
Rumor: Someone possessing or posting voter registration data means voter registration databases have been hacked .
Get the Facts: Some voter registration information is public information and is available to political campaigns, researchers, and often members of the public, frequently for purchase. According to a recent FBI and CISA public alert, cyber actors may make false claims of ''hacked'' voter information to undermine confidence in U.S. democratic institutions.
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Availability of State Voter File and Confidential InformationFBI-CISA Public Service Announcement: False Claims of Hacked Voter Information Likely Intended to Cast Doubt on Legitimacy of U.S. ElectionsAccess To and Use Of Voter Registration Lists, NCSLLink directly to this rumor by using: https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol#rumor3 Reality: Online voter registration websites can experience outages for non-malicious reasons.
Rumor: An online voter registration website experiences an outage and claims are made the election has been compromised.
Get the Facts: Outages in online voter registration systems occur for a variety of reasons, including configuration errors, hardware issues, natural disasters, communications infrastructure issues, and distributed denial of service (DDoS) attacks. As CISA and FBI warned in a recent public alert, a system outage does not necessarily mean the integrity of voter registration information or any other election system has been impacted. When an outage occurs, election officials work to verify the integrity of voter registration information.
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FBI-CISA Public Service Announcement: False Claims of Hacked Voter Information Likely Intended to Cast Doubt on Legitimacy of U.S. ElectionsSecuring Voter Registration Data, CISAYour local or state election officials EAC state-by-state directoryLink directly to this rumor by using: https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol#rumor4 Reality: A compromise of a state or local government system does not necessarily mean election infrastructure or the integrity of your vote has been compromised.
Rumor: If state or local jurisdiction information technology (IT) has been compromised, the election results cannot be trusted.
Get the Facts: Hacks of state and local IT systems should not be minimized; however, a compromise of state or local IT systems does not mean those systems are election-related. Even if an election-related system is compromised, a compromise of a system does not necessarily mean the integrity of the vote has been affected. Election officials have multiple safeguards and contingencies in place, including provisional ballots or backup paper poll books that limit the impact from a cyber incident with minimal disruption to voting. Additionally, having an auditable paper record ensures that the vote count can be verified and validated.
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FBI-CISA Public Service Announcement: Cyber Threats to Voting Processes Could Slow But Not Prevent VotingElection Infrastructure Cyber Risk Assessment, CISALink directly to this rumor by using: https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol#rumor5 Reality: Malicious actors can fake manipulation of voter registration data to spread disinformation.
Rumor: Videos, images or emails suggesting voter registration information is being manipulated means voters will not be able to vote.
Get the Facts: Claims are easy to fake and can be used for disinformation purposes. If voter registration data were to be manipulated, states have several safeguards in place to enable voters to vote, including offline backups of registration data, provisional ballots, and in several states, same-day registration.
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FBI-CISA Public Service Announcement: False Claims of Hacked Voter Information Likely Intended to Cast Doubt on Legitimacy of U.S. ElectionsSecuring Voter Registration Data, CISASecuring Voter Registration Systems, NCSLLink directly to this rumor by using: https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol#rumor6 Reality: Safeguards are in place to prevent home-printed or photocopied mail-in ballots from being counted.
Rumor: A malicious actor can easily defraud an election by printing and sending in extra mail-in ballots.
Get the Facts: This is false. Committing fraud through photocopied or home-printed ballots would be highly difficult to do successfully. This is because each local election office has security measures in place to detect such malicious activity. While the specific measures vary, in accordance with state and local election laws and practices, such security measures include signature matching, information checks, barcodes, watermarks, and precise paper weights.
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Mail-in Voting Election Integrity Safeguards Infographic, CISALink directly to this rumor by using: https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol#rumor7 Reality: Safeguards are in place to protect against fraudulent voting using the Federal Write-In Absentee Ballot (FWAB).
Rumor: A malicious actor can easily defraud an election using the Federal Write-In Absentee Ballot (FWAB).
Get the Facts: Changing an election using fraudulently submitted FWABs would be highly difficult to do. This is because election offices have security measures in place to detect such activity.
The FWAB is primarily used as a backup ballot for military and overseas voters who requested but did not yet receive their absentee ballot. FWAB users must provide their signature and meet varying state voter registration and absentee ballot request requirements, which can include provision of full or partial social security number, state identification number, proof of identification, and/or witness signature.
Since only military and overseas voters are eligible to use the FWAB, relatively few of them are submitted each election. In 2016, states reported that only 23,291 total FWABs were submitted nationwide, with all but six states receiving less than 1,000 FWABs statewide. Since use is relatively rare, spikes in FWAB usage would be detected as anomalous.
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52 U.S.C. §'¯20303Voting Assistance Guide, FVAPElection Forms and Tools for Sending, FVAP2016 Election Administration and Voting Survey Comprehensive Report, EACLink directly to this rumor by using: https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol#rumor8 Reality: Election officials provide writing instruments that are approved for marking ballots to all in-person voters using hand-marked paper ballots.
Rumor: Poll workers gave specific writing instruments, such as Sharpies, only to specific voters to cause their ballots to be rejected.
Get the Facts: Election jurisdictions allow voters to mark ballots with varying types of writing instruments, based on state law and other considerations such as tabulation system requirements. Poll workers are required to provide approved writing devices to voters.
Although felt-tip pens, like Sharpies, may bleed through ballots, some election officials have stated that ballot tabulation equipment in their jurisdictions can still read these ballots. Many jurisdictions even design their ballots with offset columns to prevent any potential bleed through from impacting the ability to easily scan both sides of ballots.
If a ballot has issues that impact its ability to be scanned, it can be hand counted or duplicated, or adjudicated by election officials, who use defined procedures such as chain of custody to ensure protect ballot secrecy and integrity. Many states additionally have ''voter intent'' laws that allow for ballots to be counted even when issues such as bleed-throughs or stray marks are present, as long as the voter's intent can still be determined.
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After the Voting Ends: The Steps to Complete an Election, NCSLBallot Duplication blog series, Council of State Governments Overseas Voting InitiativeYour local or state election officials. EAC state-by-state directoryLink directly to this rumor by using: https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol#rumor18 Reality: Voters are protected by state and federal law from threats or intimidation at the polls, including from election observers.
Rumor: Observers in the polling place are permitted to intimidate voters, campaign, and interfere with voting.
Get the Facts: While most states have a process to permit a limited number of credentialed or registered observers at in-person voting locations to observe the voting process, state and federal laws offer voters general protection from threats and intimidation, including from observers. States use varying terms for observers, including ''poll watchers,'' ''challengers,'' and ''poll agents.'' In general, observers are prohibited from violating ballot secrecy, campaigning, collecting private voter information, and obstructing or interfering with the voting process. Observers in some states may report potential issues to election officials, such as questioned eligibility of a voter, suspicious behavior, or suspected rule violations. Intimidation or threatening behavior is never permissible.
Under certain circumstances, the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) Civil Rights Division may monitor polling place procedures for the protection of voters under federal voting rights laws. International observers, including delegations from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe or the Organization for American States, who have been invited by the U.S. Department of State, may also observe in-person voting processes in some states.
If you feel that you've been a victim of, or witnessed, voter intimidation or threats, please report the experience to the DOJ Civil Rights Division's Voting Section by phone 800-253-3931 or through its complaint portal at https://civilrights.justice.gov/. If you experience an emergency, please call 911.
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18 U.S.C. § 245(b)(1)(A), 18 U.S.C. §'¯594, 52 U.S.C. §'¯20511, 18 U.S.C. §§ 241 and 242Election Crimes and Security, FBIFederal Prosecution of Election Offenses, DOJAbout Federal Observers and Election Monitoring, DOJState Laws on Poll Watchers and Challengers, NASSPoll Watchers and Challengers, NCSLPolicies for Election Observers, NCSLOSCE/ODIHR Election Observation USA 2020 Factsheet, OSCELink directly to this rumor by using: https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol#rumor13 Reality: Safeguards are in place to protect ballot secrecy.
Rumor: Someone is claiming to know who I voted for.
Get the Facts: Ballot secrecy is guaranteed by law in all states. Election officials implement various safeguards to protect voters' choices from being viewable or knowable by others, including the election officials themselves. With few exceptions, these security measures ensure that individual ballots, once cast, cannot be traced back to the voters who cast them. For in-person voting, privacy measures include dividers between voting stations and requirements that poll workers maintain distance from voters while they are casting their ballots. For mail-in and provisional voting, election officials follow strict procedures to ensure ballot secrecy when ballots are retrieved from mail-in and provisional ballot envelopes.
Ballot secrecy rights may be voluntarily waived by voters in certain circumstances, and waiver may be required in some of these, such as military and overseas voters that vote by fax or e-mail.
While ballot choices are secret in almost all circumstances, a voter's party affiliation and history of voting generally are not. Information contained in voter registration records, such as name, address, phone number, and political party affiliation (in states with party-based voter registration), is generally available to political parties and others. This data also regularly contains information on whether a voter voted in a particular election, but not their ballot choices.
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Voting Outside the Polling Place: Absentee, All-Mail and other Voting at Home Options, NCSL Secrecy of the Ballot and Ballot Selfies, NCSLStates that are Required to Provide Secrecy Sleeves for Absentee/Mail Ballots, NCSLAccess To and Use of Voter Registration Lists, NCSLLink directly to this rumor by using: https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol#rumor9 Reality: Polling place lookup sites can experience outages for non-malicious reasons.
Rumor: If polling place lookup sites experience an outage, election infrastructure must have been compromised.
Get the Facts: Polling place lookup sites, like all websites, may experience outages for a variety of reasons, impacting their availability to voters. Polling place lookup sites are not connected to infrastructure that counts votes and are typically segmented from infrastructure that enables voting, such as the voter registration database. Election officials will point potential voters to alternate tools and resources for this information in the event of an issue.
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Election Infrastructure Cyber Risk Assessment, CISAElection Infrastructure Cyber Risk Infographic, CISAYour local or state election officials EAC state-by-state directoryLink directly to this rumor by using: https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol#rumor10
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The Supreme Court hands Trump a small victory in Pennsylvania's vote count. - The New York Times
Politics | The Supreme Court hands Trump a small victory in Pennsylvania's vote count. Justice Samuel Alito and his wife, Martha-Ann, in Washington, D.C., in September. Credit... Pool photo by Andrew Harnik Nov. 7, 2020, 7:48 a.m. ET Nearly a dozen lawsuits filed by President Trump and his allies are working their way through the courts in Nevada, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Georgia, trying '-- so far unsuccessfully '-- to stop ballot counting and invalidate enough votes to erase Joseph R. Biden Jr.'s leads there. Here is a look at those cases.
In Pennsylvania, the biggest fight has been over ballots that were postmarked by Election Day but arrive later. In September, the state Supreme Court ruled, over Republican objections, that election officials could accept ballots arriving up to three days later. The U.S. Supreme Court declined to intercede, but left open the possibility that it could revisit the question.
Separately, the Supreme Court did grant the Trump camp a minor victory in Pennsylvania on Friday evening, when Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. ordered election officials there to keep the late-arriving ballots separate from other ballots, and not to include them, for now, in announced vote totals. But the victory was essentially in name only: Pennsylvania's secretary of state had already given that instruction.
The entire dispute over the late-arriving ballots could be moot, because Mr. Biden has taken the lead in Pennsylvania even without them.
One of several other Pennsylvania disputes involves people from both parties who observe the tabulation in Philadelphia, where they were told to stay 10 feet away from the vote counters. Some Trump allies have claimed, falsely, that no observers were allowed. In response to a Republican complaint, a judge ruled on Thursday that they could stand within six feet, but refused to stop the counting.
A similar case in Michigan was thrown out.
In Nevada, the Trump campaign has sued to stop the processing of mail ballots, claiming that its monitors had inadequate access. A judge denied the request, citing a lack of evidence. Another Republican suit claimed lax authentication of ballots; a judge dismissed it.
An Arizona lawsuit claims that ballots filled out with felt-tipped pens were being discarded; state and federal officials say that is false. A case in Georgia claims that a few dozen late-arriving ballots '-- which the state does not allow, even if they are postmarked by Election Day '-- were not properly set apart, raising the possibility that they would be counted. A judge threw out the complaint, saying there was no evidence that the ballots in question had arrived late.
What happens if Biden dies before inauguration day? '-- Quartz
In the nearly three months before inauguration day on Jan. 20, there are still a few more hoops for Joe Biden to jump through before taking office: the official electoral college vote on Dec. 14, followed by the congressional certification of that vote on Jan. 6.
It may seem morbid, but given that Biden, at 77, will be the oldest president-elect in history and is running in the midst of a pandemic, it's worth clarifying what would happen if he dies before taking office.
If Biden were to die before December's electoral college vote, the Democratic National Committee (DNC) would have the ability to name a replacement candidate and pressure the electors currently committed to Biden to support them instead. Presumably, although not necessarily, the new candidate would be Biden's vice president Kamala Harris.
Most states have laws, upheld by the Supreme Court, that penalize or discount so-called ''faithless'' electors who switch their vote'--so it's likely that this DNC-selected candidate would win, although there would be sure to be plenty of legal wrangling over each state's handling of this process. There's also nothing stopping the DNC from simply leaving Biden's name on the ballot and proceeding on the assumption that Harris will assume his position after the electoral college vote, although this seems less likely.
Once Biden is selected by the electoral college, he officially becomes the president-elect. If he were to die between the electoral college vote but before the early January congressional certification, members of congress have an opportunity to object to the electoral results in any state and, if both chambers agree, to switch that state's votes to the opposing candidate. It's pretty hard to imagine Nancy Pelosi, the Democratic House speaker, agreeing to hand a state to Trump in any conceivable circumstance.
After Congressional certification and before inauguration day, the 20th amendment would kick in. It provides that ''if, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the president, the president elect shall have died, the vice president elect shall become president.''
Here's hoping that none of this becomes relevant'--regardless of your choice of candidate, this election has dragged on for long enough already.
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Retribution
Millennial virtue signalling hysteria
Long time NA listener here (10 years) -- I'm a 26 year old millennial and live in Los Angeles.
Thought you might be interested in hearing about some recent experiences I've had over the last few weeks in response to your comments about the millennial hysteria and virtue signaling going on with the election.
While this hysteria is nothing new to any of us, it's becoming more pervasive and concerning, even with the election outcome. A few weeks ago, my girlfriend of one year broke up with me because of my decision to vote for Trump. I'm not going to go into why I voted for him for brevity, but regardless my vote doesn't matter, I live in California. The reason she cut ties with me, she claimed, was because of her pursuit as a lawyer, and that our two belief systems simply can't morally co-exist. In other words, dating a Trump supporter isn't cool, sexy, and god forbid her future attorney friends find out who she is dating.
This is only one of three instances. After the election this past Tuesday, I confessed to another friend of mine that I voted for Trump. This friend was also shocked. I told her it's okay to have healthy disagreements and that we shouldn't prioritize politics before friendship. I was met with the following response: "That's fine that you voted for Trump. I don't judge you for having a different opinion than me, but now I know that we have fundamentally different opinions. But this isn't a difference of opinion, this is systematically denying other human beings life and health and liberty. I can't overlook this and can't consider you a friend in the way I used to." I was pretty disappointed given this has been a close friend of mine for 5 years and someone I genuinely cared about.
Here's another response I got from a third friend: "You and 70 million other people not only voted against basic human rights and equality, but you decided racism, homophobia, islamophobia, transphobia & misogynistic behavior wasn't a deal break in a president. Quite frankly, I don't want anything to do with someone like that."
I always knew there was this level of hysteria/virtue signaling, but I see this evolving into something bigger and more concerning; retribution.
Even on social media, I am seeing a lot of content from people my age questioning how society is planning on holding Trump supporters accountable, insinuating some sort of South African Truth and Reconciliation Commission for the U.S. While this seems far-fetched, it's already happening. Scope the Trump Accountability Project if you haven't yet (link at the bottom). I guess my overall point I'm trying to make is that even as Trump may be gone, Trump derangement syndrome doesn't seem like it's departing any time soon. This is sad it's like this, but I think you have been spot on all along about children being oversocialized and under informed. Take it from me, a millennial.
You and John are the best and I appreciate all that you do! I've sent you $100 through PayPal (might show up as John Boyd) as I would certainly appreciate a thorough de-douching and some general karma.
TYFYC,
Patrick
Being poor winners shows the ultimate un-amricanism
We must never forget those who furthered the Trump agenda.We should welcome in our fellow Americans with whom we differ politically.
But those who took a paycheck from the Trump Administration should not profit from their efforts to tear our democracy apart. The world should never forget those who, when faced with a decision, chose to put their money, their time, and their reputations behind separating children from their families, encouraging racism and anti-Semitism, and negligently causing the unnecessary loss of life and economic devastation from our country's failed response to the COVID-19 pandemic.
We should not allow the following groups of people to profit from their experience:
Those who elected him.Individuals who worked for the Trump for President campaign, Republican National Committee, and affiliated PACs in 2016 or 2020.
Those who staffed his government.Individuals who worked in any role as a political appointee in the Trump Administration.
Those who funded him.Individuals who used their massive personal wealth and influence to bundle money for Trump.
Blackburn Stares Down Radical Leftists Compiling Trump Supporter List
Sen. Marsha Blackburn has responded to an initiative from far-left Democrats and Never Trump Republicans aiming to target supporters of President Donald Trump by adding them to a list and holding them ''accountable'' after the election.
Blackburn's remarks were made in a tweet, which quoted the announcement of the ''Trump Accountability Project,'' which aims to ''make sure anyone who took a paycheck to help Trump undermine America is held responsible for what they did.''
''If by undermining America you mean stopping Democrat socialists, not defunding police and blocking the Green New Deal, add me to your list,'' Blackburn wrote, adding the hashtag #MAGA.
If by undermining America you mean stopping Democrat socialists, not defunding police and blocking the Green New Deal, add me to your list!#MAGA
'' Marsha https://t.co/JwFRxO3aZi
'-- Marsha Blackburn (@VoteMarsha) November 7, 2020
The effort, which was kickstarted on Friday, was promoted by Rep. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez (D-NY), who wrote in a tweet, ''Is anyone archiving these Trump sycophants for when they try to downplay or deny their complicity in the future? I foresee decent probability of many deleted Tweets, writings, photos in the future.''
Lol at the ''party of personal responsibility'' being upset at the idea of being responsible for their behavior over last four years
'-- Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) November 6, 2020
''Lol at the 'party of personal responsibility' being upset at the idea of being responsible for their behavior over last four years,'' she added in another tweet.
The website's database full of names of Trump supporters includes a list of federal judges appointed by the president.
Jennifer Rubin, a Washington Post columnist and a consistent Never Trumper, said in a tweet that any Republican who challenges the results of the presidential election should be disqualified from holding public office and not welcome in ''polite'' society.
Any R now promoting rejection of an election or calling to not to follow the will of voters or making baseless allegations of fraud should never serve in office, join a corporate board, find a faculty position or be accepted into "polite" society. We have a list.
'-- Jennifer 'Count Every Vote' Rubin (@JRubinBlogger) November 6, 2020
''Any R now promoting rejection of an election or calling to not to follow the will of voters or making baseless allegations of fraud should never serve in office, join a corporate board, find a faculty position or be accepted into 'polite' society,'' Rubin stated. ''We have a list.''
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Are Kids Getting Enough Hardship Inoculation & Empathy? - ClearSay
I've noticed a pattern; an increase in emotional fragility in children and now, adults. How is this happening? The short and simple answer: ''Bubble-wrapped children''.
Most parents care about their children and justifiably want happiness for them.
Unfortunately, these caring parents may not realize the benefits of allowing their children to experience hardship may often outweigh the pain or potential risk involved in the ''hard'' or ''boring'' or ''dangerous'' activity.
Notice how the mom in the video below gently, yet firmly works with your child to attempt to get both their needs met?
Here's an easy experiment you can tryWhen a child has the physical and mental capability to do something for themselves, and they come to you asking for help they don't really need, put aside your need to nurture or guide and (gently, if necessary) insist they do the thing.
''I hear you. It's easier if I do it for you. I wonder how much more powerful you will be when you can do this yourself?''
Of course, you will weigh the risks! I'm not advising you to put your child in danger. The point here is not to harm or cause pain to your children. The point is to allow them to experience the natural consequences of the world around them so they grow up to be people who rise to a challenge, rather than shirk away in fear. And bonus: less work for you as a parent.
Not authoritarian or permissiveWhat I'm recommending is neither ''permissive parenting'' or ''authoritarian parenting''. It's part of a growing movement called ''peaceful parenting'' where we acknowledge that interference, especially coercion, comes with a price.
Note: The ''system'' we base this article on is called Practical Empathy (PEQ) developed by Scott Swain after fifteen years of studying Nonviolent Communication (NVC) by Marshall Rosenberg, PhD.
Like most parents, we prefer our children grow up to be people who are peaceful, resourceful, responsible, powerful, and empathetic. So we, as examples, embody these traits for our children to see and experience as they grow up.
Now many parents who are not studied up on peaceful parenting might say, ''But I do all that!'' Oh? Let's see.
Do you consider it peaceful to force a child to wear what you think is best for them to wear, rather than allow them to be responsible for their own choices and experience the natural consequences lesson of learning that indeed that clothing they chose earned them discomfort throughout their day? This is a battle you can, at an appropriate age, of course, choose to let go of.
But what's the harm?Here's an image that hopefully answers that question. If this image is confusing for you, start in the middle, at the bottom. Notice the family there and the take-away ''message'' given to their children? This is a generalized example of a pre-90's family. As time moves on, the family size shrinks because parents are having less kids and fathers are sticking around less often.
Now let's talk solutionsWhich of the following is a more empathetic response to the child?''Mommy, the things that boy said to me hurt my feelings!''(a) ''That boy was wrong. He's mean. Ignore him!''
(b) ''Oh my sweet baby! Let's get you some ice cream and a toy!''
(c) ''Don't be a wimp. Hurt him back!''
(d) ''Are you sad because it hurts to hear things like that and you want more consideration for your feelings?''
AFTER empathy for your child, maybe even progressing to encouraging empathy for others with something like, ''I wonder why that boy is hurting so much he says things like that to other people?''
Which of the above methods jumps straight to ''fixing,'' ''solution,'' ''distraction,'' ''reward,'' and/or ''us vs. them'' programming and which gives empathy?
Going a bit deeper: Look again at the empathetic approach. It's conveying some powerful messages such as, ''You are responsible for your feelings'' (empowering the child) and ''His actions come from his experiences.'' Also important: We are not assigning blame or responsibility here, though PEQ-type empathy often tends to at least point out where responsibility is.
In a nutshell: Get in the habit of asking yourself, ''Does this situation offer an opportunity to become a lesson in natural consequences or empathy?''Credit to Becky Bailey's Conscious Discipline system for the idea of natural consequences. Not necessarily a new thing in the parenting world but it was new to me when I discovered it and I've found much use in the practice. In 2013, a daycare in Austin (Children's Discovery Center) required me to learn her system before I could train the teachers and kids there in use of PEQ.
Want more? Check out these articlesNOTE: The above articles are in queue to be moved to this site, so please excuse the mess.
Some books I recommend on this topicNonviolent Communication by Marshall Rosenberg
Practical Empathy by Scott Swain (book coming out soon)
Easy To Love, Difficult to Discipline: The 7 Basic Skills for Turning Conflict by Becky Bailey
Conscious Discipline: 7 Basic Skills for Brain Smart Classroom Management by Becky Bailey
Everything Voluntary from Politics to Parenting by Skyler Collins
Punished by Rewards by Alfie Kohn
How Children Learn by John Holt
Build Back Better
Build Back Better registered Oct 10 2016 -> meant for HRC
Let Us Out!
Dobrosolav report on covid Moscow
Private clinics are not allowed to conduct Covid tests.
Private laboratories are allowed.
This was not the case in April and appears has been changed according to certain podcasts.
Any tests done must be submitted to Роспотребнадзор (Rospotrebnadzor) - a central government agency, roughly the equivalent of the US FDA.
If you do test positive, you *MUST* install a covid tracking (tracking, not tracing) app, and quarantine. The app is quite literally called "Социальный Мониторинг" (Social Monitoring), available in the app stores(!).
The quarantine (two weeks) starts from the time the test is submitted to the central agency.
Once you are quarantined
- You must open the app every four hours and take a selfie.
- If your phone's GPS shows you as somewhere other than your place of residence, you are fined 4000 rubles. (approx 50 dollars, or about 1/4th of your monthly salary for anywhere that isn't moscow. 1/10th of a standard moscow salary).
If you are unwilling to install the app, you are fined 4000 rubles.
If you are *unable* to install the app, the fine is 4000 rubles.
A whistleblower NHS healthcare assistant who publicly resigned after claiming she had 'no work for three weeks' at the height of the pandemic has said the claim the NHS is overrun is 'all lies.'
A viral Facebook video shows Shelley Tasker, 43 - a healthcare assistant at Treliske hospital, which is part of the Royal Cornwall Hospitals NHS Trust - telling members of the public what is 'really going on' behind closed doors in NHS hospitals.
In the clip filmed outside Truro Cathedral with a crowd gathering, Shelley, who is a mother and part-time photographer from Camborne, Cornwall, takes to a microphone and says: 'As much as I've always loved our NHS, it's no longer our NHS. It's run by the corrupt government and the people running this company.
'We no longer have health care, we can't see dentists. I can tell you now when I was working at the height of the pandemic I had no work for three weeks because there were no patients. We have a particular Covid ward. None of the wards were overflowing with Covid patients and they're not now.'
She went on to claim that the flu and Covid cases are now recorded as 'the same thing' on death certificates.
In response to cheers from the crowd, she continues: 'I can tell you on Friday in Treliske there were three people in with Covid. No extra deaths, three - and that covers Treliske, West Cornwall and Hayle hospital.
'The total deaths from these three hospitals in seven months, is 76 people - that's about ten people a month over the last seven months, and we have locked down.
NHS figures show that 67 people died from Covid-19 at Treliske hospital between March and September, and official data seems to back up her point - there were just four people with the virus receiving care at the Royal Cornwall Hospitals NHS Trust on October 29.
Speaking exclusively to FEMAIL about the figures the government are presenting to the public, Shelley claimed: 'It's all lies. We've closed all of Cornwall down for three people in hospital.
Charlie Rainbow took to Facebook to share a video of Cornwall Freedom Rally speech from Shelley Tasker (pictured) as she publicly resigned
NHs worker Shelley (pictured) claimed that when she was working at the height of the pandemic she had no work for three weeks because there were no patients
The Facebook page was quickly flooded with comments, including one person who wrote: 'Fantastic. Well done for speaking the truth' (pictured)
ARE CORNWALL'S HOSPITALS REALLY THAT EMPTY? Ms Tasker claimed there were just three patients in the Royal Cornwall Hospital, formerly and still commonly known as the Treliske Hospital, last Friday.
And official data seems to back up her point - there were just four people with the virus receiving care at the Royal Cornwall Hospitals NHS Trust on October 29.
For comparison, the trust - which also includes West Cornwall Hospital and St Michael's Hospital - was treating 32 Covid-19 patients at once at the height of the pandemic. But even then, it was nowhere close to being over-run by the infected.
However, Cornwall has yet to be hit by the second wave of the pandemic, with northern areas and the Midlands bearing the brunt this time around.
The fact hospitals have been filling up in hotspots has been used to justify the second national lockdown, with gloomy health bosses warning the NHS could run out of beds nationally in weeks.
But many parts of the NHS, particularly in the south, still lie empty because so many people are still hesitant to use its services for fear of catching Covid-19 or being a burden on the health service.
Some fear this could change in an instant, however, if infections continue to rise because southern hospitals have much less capacity.
SAGE - the Government's Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies - warned the Government the NHS was on track to be completely overwhelmed by the end of this month.
The dire forecast was made using mathematical models that were a month out of date and high low confidence intervals.
The prediction has since been challenged by top scientists and doctors who say the modelling did not anticipate how effective the three-tier lockdown system would be.
Boris Johnson admitted yesterday his localised approach was driving down cases and the R rate in hotspots.
'They haven't even died - they've supposedly got COVID. How many people are going to die because of this?
'There's a massive agenda going on here and people need to start realising.'
Speaking about her decision to address the topic publicly, Shelley, whose main aim was encourage 'other people would come forward,' explained: 'It's been a long time coming.
'I've kept quiet and people needed to see those figures.
'I think lots of people are now questioning things. That's got to be good because the world can't carry on as it is.'
She went on to say she will 'absolutely' not be adhering to the rules of second lockdown.
' I will be doing everything I want to do. If I want to see my friends...To be honest with you, we won't be going to pubs or anything like that, nothing will change for me,' she said.
'I don't have massive gatherings and stuff like that.
'There will be protests and we've got to carry on protesting. I will walk my dog and go to the beach and things like that.
'I don't think there'a restriction on exercise and stuff. I haven't looked too much into it to be honest with you.'
'No way it's going to happen for me, and it's not going to be happening for loads of people.
'People haven't got time to be reporting if there's seven people in the house - the police aren't going to come out for that.
'There's nothing that really needs to change for me. I'm just advising everybody to carry on as normal as they can't do anything.'
A spokesperson for Royal Cornwall Hospitals NHS Trust told MailOnline: 'We're in the middle of a once in a lifetime pandemic and it is unacceptable for anybody to spread lies which could be harmful to people's health, let alone from somebody in a respected position.
'The public's incredible support for the NHS played a major role in helping us handle the first wave of coronavirus, and as we face a potential second wave, it is absolutely vital our staff and the public follow the latest public health guidance to help keep us all safe.'
In the viral clip, Shelley starts her speech by saying: 'Today I am publicly resigning OK? I am wearing this uniform sadly for the last time.
'I absolutely loved my job, those of you who have been following what's going on, we've done tasks, we've organised protests, I've had a lot of flack.
'We're at the point now it's all coming back to me. I've had an email from work last night asking me what's going on, people are reporting me and unfortunately I can't lie any more.
'I did something really bad. I took a screenshot on Friday which shows the figures of how many people are in Treliske hospital with Covid and I shared it, because this should be public information.'
'Lots of people have to start speaking out, there's lot of doctors and nurses who have come forward. They're all on restrictive duties, they're all seeing solicitors etc.'
Even during the peak of the first wave of coronavirus in the UK, Covid-19 patients never accounted for more than 30 per cent of all hospital patients and tens of thousands of vacated beds went unused during the spring
A leaked NHS report suggests there are still fewer than average numbers of beds in use in NHS hospital, despite normal hospital care resuming and a surge in the number of people who are being treated for Covid-19
Shelley says that on Friday in Treliske there were three people in with Covid - which covers Treliske, West Cornwall and Hayle hospital
During the speech, Shelley (pictured) went on to claim that the flu and Covid cases are now combined as the same thing
'I've decided there's no point, I have gone against the rules of the NHS and have shared confidential information that people need to see. '
Shelley goes on to allege that anyone who thinks lockdown is going to make a difference are 'completely wrong.'
'Our economy is going to crash, small businesses, people are going to starve,' she says.
'You think it's going to be a month? We were flattening the curve back in April - and this was when the disease was supposedly dying out. The lockdown came in then.'
'Why are our children allowed to go to school but we have to carry on? Because at the moment, they want us to work.
'But that's not going to happen because the schools will be closed soon.
'So the cases in the hospital, there's three people in Treliske hospital with Covid - that was on Friday.
She went on to claim that the flu and Covid cases are now recorded as the same thing.
'If you died with Covid within 28 days that goes on your death certificate,' she explains. 'You may not realise as well that the flu numbers have gone right down. Where have they gone?'
'The PCR tests were not designed for diagnosing this disease - 94 per cent of them are false positives. We say no, to no more lockdowns.'
Many people took to the comments section to praise Shelley for speaking out (pictured)
She continues: 'Social distancing - there's nothing social about it. How many people have died because of the lockdown because they've not had their treatments.
'I've got a friend whose mum committed suicide. When is this going to end?
It is doing more damage closing the country and hospitals than keeping it open. Screw the social distancing, we need to fight back.'
And it wasn't long before the post was flooded with comments from people praising Shelley for speaking out.
'Brilliant brave lady. More NHS staff need to speak the truth, this is the most important issue you will ever face. Ask yourself why are they doing this?' wrote one, while a second penned: 'You go girl thank you for your honesty ....pity more don't speak out.'
Hospitals are NO busier than normal, critics are being silenced and there IS more space in empty Nightingales, top experts claim (and they slam ministers for 'caving in' to dodgy propaganda from Number 10's 'gloomsters')The NHS was never on track to be overwhelmed with coronavirus patients this winter but No10 was forced to hit the lockdown panic button because of its 'gloomster' scientific advisers, top experts fumed today.
Health Secretary Matt Hancock has warned the health service could collapse and seriously ill non-Covid patients could be turned away unless Covid-19's resurgence is nipped in the bud.
But eminent doctors and scientists told MailOnline ministers had got their priorities twisted by sacrificing people's physical and mental wellbeing to save the NHS '-- which was designed to protect the people.
They claimed wards are no busier than they normally are at this time of year and that a large chunk of the people being treated for Covid-19 were either already in hospital when they caught the virus or would've been admitted for other reasons.
Oxford University's Professor Carl Heneghan, an expert in evidence-based medicine and practicing GP, said his analysis suggested a fifth of infected patients in the NHS acquired the virus in hospital, meaning they were already taking up a bed before contracting the disease.
NHS England has about 140,000 beds at its disposal - including capacity at the seven Nightingale hospital built during the first wave and thousands of beds commandeered from the private sector - and currently there are just shy of 10,500 Covid-19 patients in its hospitals. It means people with the disease are occupying fewer than 10 per cent of the health service's overall capacity.
Leaked documents suggest the NHS on a national scale is actually treating fewer patients than it was last year. Just 84 per cent of all hospital beds were occupied across the country on Tuesday, according to the document, which is lower than the 92 per cent recorded over the autumn of 2019.
It is true that a small handful of hospitals in hotspots in the North West are under strain after bearing the brunt of a surge in infections in recent months. But Karol Sikora, a consultant oncologist and professor of medicine at the University of Buckingham, said: 'This is supposed to be a national health service, if Leeds' ICU is full, we can send patients to Newcastle, for example. We do it all the time, for other conditions.'
Critical care admissions have been a far cry from the levels seen during the first peak in spring (shown in this graph by the Intensive Care National Audit and Research Unit), casting more doubt about the need for second lockdown
Both Professor Sikora and Professor Heneghan claimed the health service is put under pressure every winter from other seasonal illnesses - due to having the lowest bed capacity per population in Europe - yet it manages to come out the other side without the need for the UK to adopt crude interventions.
Another senior NHS intensive care doctor made similar comments to MailOnline but claimed they were silenced by health bosses, who threatened them with disciplinary action if they contradicted the hospital data used to justify the lockdown.
One told this website: 'It is my personal view a lockdown was not needed right now, the data they've used has been conveniently sampled. The official rationale from the Government will be to ensure people are safe and lives are saved but I think the real reason is they do not want to receive the same criticism they did the first time round.
The first lockdown, while successful in protecting the NHS from being overwhelmed with Covid-19, has had a catastrophic effect on healthcare across the board. There were 27million fewer GP appointments than normal during the shut down, raising fears it led to the worsening of other conditions such as asthma and diabetes.
ICU UNITS ARE NO BUSIER THAN USUAL, LEAKED DOCUMENTS SHOWLeaked documents revealed intensive care units are no busier than normal for this time of year for most trusts, pouring extra cold water on claims the NHS is close to being overrun.
Eighteen per cent of critical care beds available across the health service nationally, which is normal for the autumn.
Data from the NHS Secondary Uses Services, seen by The Telegraph, claims to show that even in the worst hit region, the North West, seven per cent of critical care beds are still free.
The figures show there is still 15 per cent 'spare capacity' across the country '' fairly normal for this time of year.
That's even without the thousands of Nightingale hospital beds which will provide extra capacity if needed.
Even in the North-West, the worst affected region in the 'second wave', only 92.9 per cent of critical care beds are currently occupied.
And in the peak of the Covid outbreak in April, critical care beds were never more than 80 per cent full, according to the data.
There were around 5,900 critical care - or ICU - beds in the NHS in January 2020, according to the King's Fund.
It is not clear how many Covid-19 patients are on critical care wards as this data is not available. But the number of patients on a ventilator - 952 on November 3 - gives a rough idea. However, not all patients on ventilators are classed as being in ICU.
Tens of thousands less people than average went for cancer checks during that time and there were hundreds more deaths from heart attacks. Nearly a million people have lost their jobs since March and, when the furlough scheme ends next year, this is expected to rise again.
Professor Heneghan added: 'The perpetual opening up and closing down approach is incoherent and comes to a point where you create more harm than benefit, running long term damage to nation's health.
'We had since May to prepare for this winter, it was clear then this would be a seasonal pathogen. We've got capacity in private hospitals and the Nightingales [which were built during the first wave but went unused].'
Referring to doctors reportedly being censored by NHS bosses for speaking out against the lockdown, he said: 'What I'm concerned about is lack of transparency that allows people to come forward in the NHS to provide much needed comment on what is going on, it's unacceptable. I am an NHS employee myself.
'Functioning democracies require people to come forward and speak the truth, and we are being denied that. If we don't have that we don't have a functioning democracy.'
Every winter the health service is put under pressure because people tend to get sicker from a slew of other illnesses and need care as the country moves deeper into the colder months.
Professor Sikora predicts 'at least half' of the 10,300 Covid-19 patients in hospital right now would be there anyway, for other conditions - though there is no data to stack up his claims.
He told MailOnline: 'A lot of patients have Covid but they're in hospital because they were ill before [getting the virus]. People with comorbidites always come at winter, ever since I've been a medical student.
'Remember these people might have chest and heart and other underlying conditions, a positive PCR result doesn't mean they were hospitalised for Covid.
'I've been a doctor for decades, this is no different to a normal year. We sometimes have had to close surgeries down to make room for more patients during winter pressures, way before Covid.'
The Government has honed in on the small handful of hospitals in hotspot areas that are under strain after bearing the brunt of a surge in infections in September and October and pointed to them as evidence the NHS could be overrun.
But Professor Sikora said the Government should've held its nerve and given the three-tiered lockdown system - which was only introduced on October 14 in Liverpool - time to have an effect. Boris Johnson admitted yesterday his localised approach was driving down cases and the R rate in hotspots.
He suggested the Government's scientific advisers were nervous about coming under the same scrutiny heaped their way during the first wave.
Professor Sikora added: 'Yes there was a steep rise in infections from September to October but the numbers have plateaued.
Oxford University's Professor Carl Heneghan (left) and renowned oncologist Professor Karol Sikora claimed wards are no busier than they normally are at this time of year and that a large chunk of the people being treated for Covid-19 were either already in hospital when they caught the virus or would've been admitted for other reasons
'Clearly what happened was government lost the plot and caved because it thought it was going to be overrun due to the propaganda presented by SAGE.
'Gloomsters always win because they can't go wrong with a lockdown. If you're like me and predict an optimistic outcome which then doesn't come true, you get fired.
'It's puzzling, if the prediction is we're going to be overwhelmed, then a lockdown is justified. But it can't be true, we're already in November and it's not even close.'
Professor Heneghan added: 'If you look in areas like Liverpool, the tiered restrictions caused a reduction in cases across all age groups. The people of Liverpool understood what the issues were and modified their behaviour.
'So I would be rewarding people of Liverpool with approach that says here's some light at end of tunnel, rather than a lockdown.'
SAGE - the Government's Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies - warned the Government the NHS was on track to be completely overwhelmed by the end of this month. The dire forecast was made using mathematical models that were a month out of date and high low confidence intervals.
The prediction has since been challenged by top scientists and doctors who say the modelling did not anticipate how effective the three-tier lockdown system would be.
Professor Heneghan said: 'The modelling was completely inaccurate. But once the PM is presented such a gloomy scenario, it becomes impossible to go with any other situation than lockdown.
'It's impossible to make decisions if you've got models that are a month out of date. We get words of 'assumptions, scenarios, projections' '' but scientists cant predict more than six weeks ahead with any accuracy.'
The NHS was last night thrust back into its highest alert level, in anticipation of a wave of coronavirus hospital admissions in the coming weeks.
Sir Simon Stevens, NHS England's chief executive, claimed the move to level four was in response to the 'serious situation ahead'.
A move to level four means health bosses believe there is a real threat that an expected influx of Covid-19 patients could start to force the closure of other vital services across the nation.
Yet leaked documents on Wednesday revealed intensive care units were no busier than normal for this time of year for most trusts, pouring extra cold water on claims the NHS is close to being overrun.
Eighteen per cent of critical care beds available across the health service nationally, which is normal for the autumn. Data from the NHS Secondary Uses Services, seen by The Telegraph, claims to show that even in the worst hit region, the North West, seven per cent of critical care beds are still free.
The figures show there is still 15 per cent 'spare capacity' across the country '' fairly normal for this time of year. That's even without the thousands of Nightingale hospital beds which will provide extra capacity if needed.
Even in the North-West, the worst affected region in the 'second wave', only 92.9 per cent of critical care beds are currently occupied. And in the peak of the Covid outbreak in April, critical care beds were never more than 80 per cent full, according to the data.
There were around 5,900 critical care - or ICU - beds in the NHS in January 2020, according to the King's Fund. It is not clear how many Covid patients are on critical care wards because this data is not available. But the number of patients on a ventilator - 952 on November 3 - gives a rough idea. However, not all patients on ventilators are classed as being in ICU.
There are just under 10,300 patients with Covid-19 on general and acute wards in NHS hospitals in England at the moment, official data shows. This means Covid-19 patients account for around 10 per cent of all available beds.
However, there are still more than 13,000 beds available on general wards, considering there are almost 114,000 NHS beds in England overall. Professor Sikora estimates there are about 140,000 beds overall once the Nightingale hospitals and extra capacity in the private sector which the NHS has bought in case it does get pushed to the brink.
MailOnline revealed at the height of the first wave in April that Covid-19 patients never made up more than 30 per cent of the total beds occupied. Just under 19,000 patients out of 70,000 in hospitals at that time had Covid-19.
Commenting on the data, Professor Heneghan told MailOnline 'This is completely in line with what is normally available at this time of year. What I don't understand is that I seem to be looking at a different data-set to what the Government is presenting.
'Everything is looking at normal levels and free bed capacity is still significant, even in high dependency units and intensive care, even though we have a very small number across the board. We are starting to see a drop in people in hospitals.
'Tier Three restrictions are working phenomenally well and, rather than locking down, I would be using this moment to increase capacity.'
But Chris Hopson, chief executive of NHS Providers, which represents hospitals, said there is 'no point' using national bed occupancy rates to argue that lockdown isn't needed.
He tweeted : 'Many hospital CEOs in the north tell us they are under extreme pressure. Many of them say their Covid-19 patient numbers are above what they saw in the peak of the first phase.
'The argument from NHS CEOs in rest of country is many are already seeing high worrying levels of general bed occupancy. And if the Covid pattern in the north is repeated elsewhere in the country a month later, it'll coincide with winter when NHS is at its most stretched.
'This means trusts won't be able to give the treatment and quality of care they would want, to all who need it. None of this is reflected in, or affected by, current national ICU bed occupancy rates. They are irrelevant as far as this risk is concerned.'
PCR
Iowa State random covid testing
Random Testing. To further mitigate the risk of infection, we are expanding our on-campus testing at Johnny's in Hilton Coliseum to include testing of randomly selected students. This testing strategy will help us identify asymptomatic positive cases. We will also use testing data to pinpoint areas with notable case counts and determine appropriate testing strategies for those areas to help contain the spread of the virus.
Who is Eligible? Undergraduate, graduate, and professional students are eligible to be randomly selected for asymptomatic testing. Those selected will receive an email or text message with instructions for scheduling a time to be tested at Johnny's in Hilton Coliseum. We strongly encourage that you take this request seriously and complete your test as directed. This testing strategy is not intended to punish anyone. Students who are selected should not fear disciplinary action for doing the responsible thing to complete the testing. This is another important way you can help mitigate the spread and support the health and safety of our campus and community.
Gifts and Prizes. As a show of appreciation, those selected who complete the testing will receive a $5 gift card for ISU Dining, and they will be entered in a drawing for a chance at larger prizes. Prizes in the drawing include ten $50 ISU Dining gift cards, ten $500 scholarships, a one semester Department of Residence housing contract, and a one semester ISU Dining contract. The gifts and prizes are thanks to the Student Government Executive Committee, Department of Residence, and the President's Office.
Data to date show that a person who has had and recovered from COVID-19 may have low levels of virus in their bodies for up to 3 months after diagnosis. This means that if the person who has recovered from COVID-19 is retested within 3 months of initial infection, they may continue to have a positive test result, even though they are not spreading COVID-19.
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However, anyone who has had close contact with someone with COVID-19 and who meets the following criteria does NOT need to stay home.
Has COVID-19 illness within the previous 3 months and
Has recovered and
Remains without COVID-19 symptoms (for example, cough, shortness of breath)
The COVID-19 RT-PCR Test: How to Mislead All Humanity. Using a "Test" To Lock Down Society - Global Research
Introduction: using a technique to lock down society
All current propaganda on the COVID-19 pandemic is based on an assumption that is considered obvious, true and no longer questioned:
Positive RT-PCR test means being sick with COVID. This assumption is misleading.
Very few people, including doctors, understand how a PCR test works.
RT-PCR means Real Time-Polymerase Chain Reaction.
In French, it means: R(C)action de Polym(C)risation en Cha®ne en Temps R(C)el.
In medicine, we use this tool mainly to diagnose a viral infection.
Starting from a clinical situation with the presence or absence of particular symptoms in a patient, we consider different diagnoses based on tests.
In the case of certain infections, particularly viral infections, we use the RT-PCR technique to confirm a diagnostic hypothesis suggested by a clinical picture.
We do not routinely perform RT-PCR on any patient who is overheated, coughing or has an inflammatory syndrome!
It is a laboratory, molecular biology technique of gene amplification because it looks for gene traces (DNA or RNA) by amplifying them.
In addition to medicine, other fields of application are genetics, research, industry and forensics.
The technique is carried out in a specialized laboratory, it cannot be done in any laboratory, even a hospital. This entails a certain cost, and a delay sometimes of several days between the sample and the result.
Today, since the emergence of the new disease called COVID-19 (COrona VIrus Disease-2019), the RT-PCR diagnostic technique is used to define positive cases, confirmed as SARS-CoV-2 (coronavirus responsible for the new acute respiratory distress syndrome called COVID-19).
These positive cases are assimilated to COVID-19 cases, some of whom are hospitalized or even admitted to intensive care units.
Official postulate of our managers: positive RT-PCR cases = COVID-19 patients. [1]
This is the starting postulate, the premise of all official propaganda, which justifies all restrictive government measures: isolation, confinement, quarantine, mandatory masks, color codes by country and travel bans, tracking, social distances in companies, stores and even, even more importantly, in schools [2].
This misuse of RT-PCR technique is used as a relentless and intentional strategy by some governments, supported by scientific safety councils and by the dominant media, to justify excessive measures such as the violation of a large number of constitutional rights, the destruction of the economy with the bankruptcy of entire active sectors of society, the degradation of living conditions for a large number of ordinary citizens, under the pretext of a pandemic based on a number of positive RT-PCR tests, and not on a real number of patients.
Technical aspects: to better understand and not be manipulated
The PCR technique was developed by chemist Kary B. Mullis in 1986. Kary Mullis was awarded the Nobel Prize in Chemistry in 1993.
Although this is disputed [3], Kary Mullis himself is said to have criticized the interest of PCR as a diagnostic tool for an infection, especially a viral one.
He stated that if PCR was a good tool for research, it was a very bad tool in medicine, in the clinic [4].
Mullis was referring to the AIDS virus (HIV retrovirus or HIV) [5], before the COVID-19 pandemic, but this opinion on the limitation of the technique in viral infections [6], by its creator, cannot be dismissed out of hand; it must be taken into account!
PCR was perfected in 1992.
As the analysis can be performed in real time, continuously, it becomes RT (Real-Time) '' PCR, even more efficient.
It can be done from any molecule, including those of the living, the nucleic acids that make up the genes:
DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid)RNA (Ribonucleic Acid)Viruses are not considered as ''living'' beings, they are packets of information (DNA or RNA) forming a genome.
It is by an amplification technique (multiplication) that the molecule sought is highlighted and this point is very important.
RT-PCR is an amplification technique [7].
If there is DNA or RNA of the desired element in a sample, it is not identifiable as such.
This DNA or RNA must be amplified (multiplied) a certain number of times, sometimes a very large number of times, before it can be detected. From a minute trace, up to billions of copies of a specific sample can be obtained, but this does not mean that there is all that amount in the organism being tested.
In the case of COVID-19, the element sought by RT-PCR is SARS-CoV-2, an RNA virus [8].
There are DNA viruses such as Herpes and Varicella viruses.
The most well known RNA viruses, in addition to coronaviruses, are Influenza, Measles, EBOLA, ZIKA viruses.
In the case of SARS-CoV-2, RNA virus, an additional specific step is required, a transcription of RNA into DNA by means of an enzyme, Reverse Transcriptase.
This step precedes the amplification phase.
It is not the whole virus that is identified, but sequences of its viral genome.
This does not mean that this gene sequence, a fragment of the virus, is not specific to the virus being sought, but it is an important nuance nonetheless:
RT-PCR does not reveal any virus, but only parts, specific gene sequences of the virus.
At the beginning of the year, the SARS-CoV-2 genome was sequenced.
It consists of about 30,000 base pairs. The nucleic acid (DNA-RNA), the component of the genes, is a sequence of bases. In comparison, the human genome has more than 3 billion base pairs.
Teams are continuously monitoring the evolution of the SARS-CoV-2 viral genome as it evolves [9-10-11], through the mutations it undergoes. Today, there are many variants [12].
By taking a few specific genes from the SARS-CoV-2 genome, it is possible to initiate RT-PCR on a sample from the respiratory tract.
For COVID-19 disease, which has a nasopharyngeal (nose) and oropharyngeal (mouth) entry point, the sample should be taken from the upper respiratory tract as deeply as possible in order to avoid contamination by saliva in particular.
A
ll the people tested said that it is very painful [13].
The Gold Standard (preferred site for sampling) is the nasopharyngeal (nasal) approach, the most painful route.
If there is a contraindication to the nasal approach, or preferably to the individual being tested, depending on the official organs, the oropharyngeal approach (through the mouth) is also acceptable. The test may trigger a nausea/vomiting reflex in the individual being tested.
Normally, for the result of an RT-PCR test to be considered reliable, amplification from 3 different genes (primers) of the virus under investigation is required.
''The primers are single-stranded DNA sequences specific to the virus. They guarantee the specificity of the amplification reaction. >> [14]
''The first test developed at La Charit(C) in Berlin by Dr. Victor Corman and his associates in January 2020 allows to highlight the RNA sequences present in 3 genes of the virus called E, RdRp and N . To know if the sequences of these genes are present in the RNA samples collected, it is necessary to amplify the sequences of these 3 genes in order to obtain a signal sufficient for their detection and quantification. >>[15].
The essential notion of Cycle Time or Cycle Threshold or Ct positivity threshold [16].
An RT-PCR test is negative (no traces of the desired element) or positive (presence of traces of the desired element).
However, even if the desired element is present in a minute, negligible quantity, the principle of RT-PCR is to be able to finally highlight it by continuing the amplification cycles as much as necessary.
RT-PCR can push up to 60 amplification cycles, or even more!
Here is how it works:
Cycle 1: target x 2 (2 copies)
Cycle 2: target x 4 (4 copies)
Cycle 3: target x 8 (8 copies)
Cycle 4: target x 16 (16 copies)
Cycle 5; target x 32 (32 copies)
Etc exponentially up to 40 to 60 cycles!
When we say that the Ct (Cycle Time or Cycle Threshold or RT-PCR positivity threshold) is equal to 40, it means that the laboratory has used 40 amplification cycles, i.e. obtained 240 copies.
This is what underlies the sensitivity of the RT-PCR assay.
While it is true that in medicine we like to have high specificity and sensitivity of the tests to avoid false positives and false negatives, in the case of COVID-19 disease, this hypersensitivity of the RT-PCR test caused by the number of amplification cycles used has backfired.
This over-sensitivity of the RT-PCR test is deleterious and misleading!
It detaches us from the medical reality which must remain based on the real clinical state of the person: is the person ill, does he or she have symptoms?
That is the most important thing!
As I said at the beginning of the article, in medicine we always start from the person: we examine him/her, we collect his/her symptoms (complaints-anamnesis) and objective clinical signs (examination) and on the basis of a clinical reflection in which scientific knowledge and experience intervene, we make diagnostic hypotheses.
Only then do we prescribe the most appropriate tests, based on this clinical reflection.
We constantly compare the test results with the patient's clinical condition (symptoms and signs), which takes precedence over everything else when it comes to our decisions and treatments.
Today, our governments, supported by their scientific safety advice, are making us do the opposite and put the test first, followed by a clinical reflection necessarily influenced by this prior test, whose weaknesses we have just seen, particularly its hypersensitivity.
None of my clinical colleagues can contradict me.
Apart from very special cases such as genetic screening for certain categories of populations (age groups, sex) and certain cancers or family genetic diseases, we always work in this direction: from the person (symptoms, signs) to the appropriate tests, never the other way around.
This is the conclusion of an article in the Swiss Medical Journal (RMS) published in 2007, written by doctors Katia Jaton and Gilbert Greub microbiologists from the University of Lausanne :
PCR in microbiology: from DNA amplification to result interpretation:
''To interpret the result of a PCR, it is essential that clinicians and microbiologists share their experiences, so that the analytical and clinical levels of interpretation can be combined.''
It would be indefensible to give everyone an electrocardiogram to screen everyone who might have a heart attack one day.
On the other hand, in certain clinical contexts or on the basis of specific evocative symptoms, there, yes, an electrocardiogram can be beneficial.
Back to RT-PCR and Ct (Cycle Time or Cycle Threshold).
In the case of an infectious disease, especially a viral one, the notion of contagiousness is another important element.
Since some scientific circles consider that an asymptomatic person can transmit the virus, they believe it is important to test for the presence of virus, even if the person is asymptomatic, thus extending the indication of RT-PCR to everyone.
Are RT-PCR tests good tests for contagiousness? [17]
This question brings us back to the notion of viral load and therefore Ct.
The relationship between contagiousness and viral load is disputed by some people [18] and no formal proof, to date, allows us to make a decision.
However, common sense gives obvious credence to the notion that the more virus a person has inside him or her, especially in the upper airways (oropharynx and nasopharynx), with symptoms such as coughing and sneezing, the higher the risk of contagiousness, proportional to the viral load and the importance of the person's symptoms.
This is called common sense, and although modern medicine has benefited greatly from the contribution of science through statistics and Evidence-Based Medicine (EBM), it is still based primarily on common sense, experience and empiricism.
Medicine is the art of healing.
No test measures the amount of virus in the sample!
RT-PCR is qualitative: positive (presence of the virus) or negative (absence of the virus).
This notion of quantity, therefore of viral load, can be estimated indirectly by the number of amplification cycles (Ct) used to highlight the virus sought.
The lower the Ct used to detect the virus fragment, the higher the viral load is considered to be (high).
The higher the Ct used to detect the virus fragment, the lower the viral load is considered to be (low).
Thus, the French National Reference Centre (CNR), in the acute phase of the pandemic, estimated that the peak of viral shedding occurred at the onset of symptoms, with an amount of virus corresponding to approximately 108 (100 million) copies of SARS-CoV-2 viral RNA on average (French COVID-19 cohort data) with a variable duration of shedding in the upper airways (from 5 days to more than 5 weeks) [19].
This number of 108 (100 million) copies/μl corresponds to a very low Ct.
A Ct of 32 corresponds to 10-15 copies/μl.
A Ct of 35 corresponds to about 1 copy/μl.
Above Ct 35, it becomes impossible to isolate a complete virus sequence and culture it!
In France and in most countries, Ct levels above 35, even 40, are still used even today!
The French Society of Microbiology (SFM) issued an opinion on September 25, 2020 in which it does not recommend quantitative results, and it recommends to make positive up to a Ct of 37 for a single gene [20]!
With 1 copy/μl of a sample (Ct 35), without cough, without symptoms, one can understand why all these doctors and scientists say that a positive RT-PCR test means nothing, nothing at all in terms of medicine and clinic!
Positive RT-PCR tests, without any mention of Ct or its relation to the presence or absence of symptoms, are used as is by our governments as the exclusive argument to apply and justify their policy of severity, austerity, isolation and aggression of our freedoms, with the impossibility to travel, to meet, to live normally!
There is no medical justification for these decisions, for these governmental choices!
In an article published on the website of the New York Times (NYT) on Saturday, August 29, American experts from Harvard University are surprised that RT-PCR tests as practiced can serve as tests of contagiousness, even more so as evidence of pandemic progression in the case of SARS-CoV-2 infection [21].
According to them, the threshold (Ct) considered results in positive diagnoses in people who do not represent any risk of transmitting the virus!
The binary ''yes/no'' answer is not enough, according to this epidemiologist from the Harvard University School of Public Health.
''It's the amount of virus that should dictate the course of action for each patient tested. >>
The amount of virus (viral load); but also and above all the clinical state, symptomatic or not of the person!
This calls into question the use of the binary result of this RT-PCR test to determine whether a person is contagious and must follow strict isolation measures.
These questions are being raised by many physicians around the world, not only in the United States but also in France, Belgium (Belgium Health Experts Demand Investigation Of WHO For Faking Coronavirus Pandemic), France, Germany, Italy, the United Kingdom, the United States and the United Kingdom. in Germany, Spain'...
According to them: ''We are going to put tens of thousands of people in confinement, in isolation, for nothing. >> [22]. 22] And inflict suffering, anguish, economic and psychological dramas by the thousands!
Most RT-PCR tests set the Ct at 40, according to the NYT. Some set it at 37.
''Tests with such high thresholds (Ct) may not only detect live virus but also gene fragments, remnants of an old infection that do not represent any particular danger,'' the experts said.
A virologist at the University of California admits that an RT-PCR test with a Ct greater than 35 is too sensitive. ''A more reasonable threshold would be between 30 and 35,'' she adds.
Almost no laboratory specifies the Ct (number of amplification cycles performed) or the number of copies of viral RNA per sample μl.
Here is an example of a laboratory result (approved by Sciensano, the Belgian national reference center) in an RT-PCR negative patient:
No mention of Ct.
In the NYT, experts compiled three datasets with officials from the states of Massachusetts, New York and Nevada that mention them.
Conclusion?
''Up to 90% of the people who tested positive did not carry a virus. >>
The Wadworth Center, a New York State laboratory, analyzed the results of its July tests at the request of the NYT: 794 positive tests with a Ct of 40.
''With a Ct threshold of 35, approximately half of these PCR tests would no longer be considered positive,'' said the NYT.
''And about 70% would no longer be considered positive with a Ct of 30! ''
In Massachusetts, between 85 and 90% of people who tested positive in July with a Ct of 40 would have been considered negative with a Ct of 30, adds the NYT. And yet, all these people had to isolate themselves, with all the dramatic psychological and economic consequences, while they were not sick and probably not contagious at all.
In France, the Centre National de R(C)f(C)rence (CNR), the French Society of Microbiology (SFM) continue to push Ct to 37 and recommend to laboratories to use only one gene of the virus as a primer.
I remind you that from Ct 32 onwards, it becomes very difficult to culture the virus or to extract a complete sequence, which shows the completely artificial nature of this positivity of the test, with such high Ct levels, above 30.
Similar results were reported by researchers from the UK Public Health Agency in an article published on August 13 in Eurosurveillance: ''The probability of culturing the virus drops to 8% in samples with Ct levels above 35.'' [23]
In addition, currently, the National Reference Center in France only evaluates the sensitivity of commercially available reagent kits, not their specificity: serious doubts persist about the possibility of cross-reactivity with viruses other than SARS-CoV-2, such as other benign cold coronaviruses. [20]
It is potentially the same situation in other countries, including Belgium.
Similarly, mutations in the virus may have invalidated certain primers (genes) used to detect SARS-CoV-2: the manufacturers give no guarantees on this, and if the AFP fast-checking journalists tell you otherwise, test their good faith by asking for these guarantees, these proofs.
If they have nothing to hide and if what I say is false, this guarantee will be provided to you and will prove their good faith.
We must demand that the RT-PCR results be returned mentioning the Ct used because beyond Ct 30, a positive RT-PCR test means nothing.We must listen to the scientists and doctors, specialists, virologists who recommend the use of adapted Ct, lower, at 30. An alternative is to obtain the number of copies of viral RNA/μl or /ml sample. [23]We need to go back to the patient, to the person, to his or her clinical condition (presence or absence of symptoms) and from there to judge the appropriateness of testing and the best way to interpret the result.Until there is a better rationale for PCR screening, with a known and appropriate Ct threshold, an asymptomatic person should not be tested in any way.
Even a symptomatic person should not automatically be tested, as long as they can place themselves in isolation for 7 days.
Let's stop this debauchery of RT-PCR testing at too high Ct levels and return to clinical, quality medicine.
Once we understand how RT-PCR testing works, it becomes impossible to let the current government routine screening strategy, inexplicably supported by the virologists in the safety councils, continue.
My hope is that, finally, properly informed, more and more people will demand that this strategy be stopped, because it is all of us, enlightened, guided by real benevolence and common sense, who must decide our collective and individual destinies.
No one else should do it for us, especially when we realize that those who decide are no longer reasonable or rational.
Summary of important points :
The RT-PCR test is a laboratory diagnostic technique that is not well suited to clinical medicine.It is a binary, qualitative diagnostic technique that confirms (positive test) or not (negative test) the presence of an element in the medium being analyzed. In the case of SARS-CoV-2, the element is a fragment of the viral genome, not the virus itself.In medicine, even in an epidemic or pandemic situation, it is dangerous to place tests, examinations, techniques above clinical evaluation (symptoms, signs). It is the opposite that guarantees quality medicine.The main limitation (weakness) of the RT-PCR test, in the current pandemic situation, is its extreme sensitivity (false positive) if a suitable threshold of positivity (Ct) is not chosen. Today, experts recommend using a maximum Ct threshold of 30.This Ct threshold must be informed with the positive RT-PCR result so that the physician knows how to interpret this positive result, especially in an asymptomatic person, in order to avoid unnecessary isolation, quarantine, psychological trauma.In addition to mentioning the Ct used, laboratories must continue to ensure the specificity of their detection kits for SARS-CoV-2, taking into account its most recent mutations, and must continue to use three genes from the viral genome being studied as primers or, if not, mention it. Overall Conclusion
Is the obstinacy of governments to use the current disastrous strategy, systematic screening by RT-PCR, due to ignorance?
Is it due to stupidity?
To a kind of cognitive trap trapping their ego?
In any case, we should be able to question them, and if among the readers of this article there are still honest journalists, or naive politicians, or people who have the possibility to question our rulers, then do so, using these clear and scientific arguments.
It is all the more incomprehensible that our rulers have surrounded themselves with some of the most experienced specialists in these matters.
If I have been able to gather this information myself, shared, I remind you, by competent people above all suspicion of conspiracy, such as H(C)l¨ne Banoun, Pierre Sonigo, Jean-Fran§ois Toussaint, Christophe De Brouwer, whose intelligence, intellectual honesty and legitimacy cannot be questioned, then the Belgian, French and Quebec scientific advisors, etc., know all this as well.
So?
What's going on?
Why continue in this distorted direction, obstinately making mistakes?
It is not insignificant to reimpose confinements, curfews, quarantines, reduced social bubbles, to shake up again our shaky economies, to plunge entire families into precariousness, to sow so much fear and anxiety generating a real state of post-traumatic stress worldwide, to reduce access to care for other pathologies that nevertheless reduce life expectancy much more than COVID-19! [24]
Is there intent to harm?
Is there an intention to use the alibi of a pandemic to move humanity towards an outcome it would otherwise never have accepted? In any case, not like that!
Would this hypothesis, which modern censors will hasten to label ''conspiracy'', be the most valid explanation for all this?
Indeed, if we draw a straight line from the present events, if they are maintained, we could find ourselves once again confined with hundreds, thousands of human beings forced to remain inactive, which, for the professions of catering, entertainment, sales, fairgrounds, itinerants, canvassers, risks being catastrophic with bankruptcies, unemployment, depression, suicides by the hundreds of thousands. [25-26-27-28]
The impact on education, on our children, on teaching, on medicine with long planned care, operations, treatments to be cancelled, postponed, will be profound and destructive.
''We risk a looming food crisis if action is not taken quickly.'' [29].
It is time for everyone to come out of this negative trance, this collective hysteria, because famine, poverty, massive unemployment will kill, mow down many more people than SARS-CoV-2!
Does all this make sense in the face of a disease that is declining, over-diagnosed and misinterpreted by this misuse of overly sensitively calibrated PCR tests?
For many, the continuous wearing of the mask seems to have become a new norm.
Even if it is constantly downplayed by some health professionals and fact-checking journalists, other doctors warn of the harmful consequences, both medical and psychological, of this hygienic obsession which, maintained permanently, is in fact an abnormality!
What a hindrance to social relations, which are the true foundation of a physically and psychologically healthy humanity!
Some dare to find all this normal, or a lesser price to pay in the face of the pandemic of positive PCR tests.
Isolation, distancing, masking of the face, impoverishment of emotional communication, fear of touching and kissing even within families, communities, between relatives'...
Spontaneous gestures of daily life hindered and replaced by mechanical and controlled gestures '...
Terrified children, kept in permanent fear and guilt'...
All this will have a deep, lasting and negative impact on human organisms, in their physical, mental, emotional and representation of the world and society.
This is not normal!
We cannot let our rulers, for whatever reason, organize our collective suicide any longer.
Translated from French by Global Research. Original source: Mondialisation.ca
Dr Pascal Sacr(C) is a physician specialized in critical care, author and renowned public health analyst, Charleroi, Belgium. He is a Research Associate of the entre for Research on Globalization (CRG)
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Professionals whose references and comments are the basis of this article in its scientific aspect (especially and mainly on RT-PCR):
[6] The Truth about PCR Test Kit from the Inventor and Other Experts >>
[7] PCR en microbiologie : de l'amplification de l'ADN l'interpr(C)tation du r(C)sultat
[8] COVID : La PCR nasale peut-elle mentir ?, Dr Pascal Sacr(C), AIMSIB, 30 ao>>t 2020.
[9] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaAcSJI0oMs&feature=youtu.be, 8 octobre 2020. volution g(C)nomique des virus ARN l'Institut Pasteur, environ la moiti(C) des nucl(C)otides sont susceptibles d'avoir mut(C) sur les 30 000 nucl(C)otides de l'ARN viral. Pour l'instant aucune mutation ou d(C)l(C)tion n'a (C)t(C) associ(C)e une perte de s(C)v(C)rit(C) de la maladie sur une grande (C)chelle g(C)ographique mais de nombreuses publications devraient bient´t pr(C)ciser ces points. >>
[10] https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/FD_Raoult_SARS-CoV-2_EID_Sep2020_vL2.pdf, Article IHU-M(C)diterran(C)e, Professeur D. Raoult, Dramatic increase in the SARS-CoV-2 mutation rate and low mortality rate during the second epidemic in summer in Marseille, 7 septembre 2020
Conclusions :
Dans l'ensemble, comme l'ont r(C)cemment soulign(C) Tomaszewski et al. (7) qui ont d(C)crit pour les g(C)nomes viraux disponibles jusqu'en mai 2020 un d(C)placement mutationnel sur la spike et le complexe de r(C)plication vers des g¨nes codant pour d'autres prot(C)ines non structurelles qui interagissent avec les voies de d(C)fense de l'h´te, il semble que le taux de mutation du SARS-CoV-2 s'acc(C)l¨re depuis mai, impliquant principalement des mutations C vers U. L'augmentation du taux de mutation du SRAS-CoV-2 g(C)n¨re des g(C)notypes viraux plus (C)loign(C)s de la souche Wuhan initiale que ceux observ(C)s de mars avril. Cela semble entra®ner des (C)pid(C)mies de dur(C)e limit(C)e, du moins pour le premier nouveau g(C)notype que nous avons identifi(C), et est associ(C) une gravit(C) globalement moindre ce stade du d(C)veloppement de cette nouvelle (C)pid(C)mie.
Mutations observed in these seven different viral genotypes are located in most SARS- CoV-2 genes including structural and non-structural genes among which nsp2, nsp3 (predicted phosphoesterase), nsp5 (membrane glycoprotein), nsp12 (RNA-dependent RNA polymerase), S (Spike glycoprotein), ORF3a, E (membrane glycoprotein), M (membrane glycoprotein), ORF8 and N (Nucleocapsid phosphoprotein).
[11] https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Helene_Banoun Evolution of SARS-CoV-2: Review of mutations, role of the host immune system, octobre 2020, mise jour par H(C)l¨ne Banoun,
PhD, Pharmacien biologiste, ancien Charg(C) de Recherches INSERM, ancien Interne des H´pitaux de Paris.
[12] https://nextstrain.org/, We are incorporating SARS-CoV-2 genomes as soon as they are shared and providing analyses and situation reports. In addition we have developed a number of resources and tools, and are facilitating independent groups to run their own analysis. Please see the main SARS-CoV-2 page for more.
[13] Tutoriel pr(C)l¨vement nasopharyng(C) : Un geste technique, essentiel la fiabilit(C) du test COVID-19
[14] Covid-19 : comment fonctionnent les tests et quelles sont leurs utilit(C)s ?
[15] COMMENT FONCTIONNENT LES TESTS DE DPISTAGE DU COVID-19 ? 7 avril 2020, Laboratoire de biologie et pharmacologie appliqu(C)e (LBPA), Cl(C)mence Richetta, ma®tre de conf(C)rences au d(C)partement biologie de l'ENS Paris-Saclay et chercheuse en virologie au LBPA : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNVDHCf8bGA
Independent researcher, PhD 9
Former research fellow at INSERM (French Institute for Health and Medical Research)
[16] Par Pierre Sonigo, virologiste (un des d(C)couvreurs du VIH), MD PhD, CSO at Sebia, clinical diagnostics
Diagnostic du COVID19 : comprendre les tests PCR, leur interpr(C)tation et leurs limites, publi(C) le 16 septembre 2020
La PCR utilise un principe tr¨s particulier : la cible du test, un fragment d'ARN viral, est massivement amplifi(C)e afin de permettre sa d(C)tection. Au cours de l'analyse, une r(C)action enzymatique associ(C)e des cycles >> de variation de temp(C)rature permet une s(C)rie de r(C)plications >> successives de l'acide nucl(C)ique cible. Chaque cycle correspond une multiplication th(C)orique de la cible par 2. On multiplie donc par 2 en un cycle, par 4 en 2 cycles, par 8 en 3 cycles, par 16 en 4 cycles, et ainsi de suite de mani¨re exponentielle. A l'heure actuelle, l'amplification est g(C)n(C)ralement pratiqu(C)e sur 40 cycles, soit une amplification th(C)orique de 2^40, environ mille milliards de fois ! En r(C)alit(C), la r(C)plication n'est pas efficace 100%, mais la cible est amplifi(C)e environ un million de fois, ce qui permet de d(C)tecter moins d'une dizaine de fragments d'ARN dans le volume analys(C).
Lorsque l'acide nucl(C)ique viral est d(C)tectable apr¨s un petit nombre de cycles, cela signifie que la quantit(C) de virus dans l'(C)chantillon de d(C)part est grande. Au contraire, lorsqu'il faut un grand nombre de cycles de r(C)plication pour d(C)tecter l'ARN viral, cela signifie que l'(C)chantillon de d(C)part contient une quantit(C) de virus tr¨s faible. On parle alors en nombre de cycles, ou Ct, qui signifie cycle time >>, pour d(C)finir, au moins de fa§on semi quantitative, la quantit(C) d'ARN pr(C)sent dans l'(C)chantillon de d(C)part. Ainsi, un petit Ct correspond un grand nombre de copies, un grand Ct un petit nombre de copies.
Cette spectaculaire sensibilit(C) n'est pas sans inconv(C)nient et n(C)cessite des pr(C)cautions particuli¨res. En effet, un (C)chantillon positif amplifi(C) un million de fois contient une tr¨s haute concentration de cible et le risque qu'il contamine (carry over) d'autres (C)chantillons est particuli¨rement (C)lev(C). La saturation des laboratoires peut encore accro®tre ce risque et g(C)n(C)rer des faux positifs accidentels. Dans ces conditions, il est important que les r(C)sultats positifs soient confirm(C)s par un second test, plus forte raison lorsqu'un test positif pr(C)sente des cons(C)quences significatives, qu'elles soient m(C)dicales, professionnelles ou li(C)es l'obligation d'isolement.
La deuxi¨me question importante concernant la PCR, une fois encore cons(C)quence de sa spectaculaire sensibilit(C), est celle de sa signification clinique. Un sujet parfaitement asymptomatique pr(C)sentant une PCR positive ne peut ªtre qualifi(C) de malade >>, comme on le lit dans les m(C)dias qui rapportent la progression de l'(C)pid(C)mie ! Peut-on mªme parler de cas >> ? C'est pourtant le terme utilis(C) dans les d(C)nombrements officiels. Ne sommes-nous pas en train d'oublier le patient pour se focaliser sur la technologie ? Est-ce une (C)pid(C)mie d'ARN dans des tubes que nous surveillons ou une maladie grave et potentiellement mortelle ?
Des publications r(C)centes soulignent que la dose d(C)tectable par PCR est inf(C)rieure la dose infectieuse ou contagieuse : aucun virus infectieux n'a pu ªtre retrouv(C) chez les patients asymptomatiques pr(C)sentant des tests PCR positifs avec un Ct (C)lev(C). Suite ces r(C)sultats, la question du seuil de Ct qui permet de d(C)clarer un (C)chantillon positif est d(C)battue. Peut-on rendre un r(C)sultat n(C)gatif chez un sujet asymptomatique dont la positivit(C) appara®t au-del de 35 cycles ? A d(C)faut, est-il utile de retester ces (C)chantillons ? Comme souvent en mati¨re de diagnostic m(C)dical, lorsqu'un seuil de positivit(C) est d(C)termin(C), faut-il privil(C)gier la sensibilit(C) ou la sp(C)cificit(C) du test ?
De plus, un (C)chantillon confirm(C) positif d'un point de vue analytique reste un faux positif du point de vue de la clinique, si la personne test(C)e est en parfaite sant(C), parfois mªme prªt affronter une comp(C)tition de tennis ou de football professionnels ! La question devient uniquement celle de sa potentielle contagiosit(C). C'est la question de la transmission (C)ventuelle par des sujets asymptomatiques, qui sans ªtre eux-mªmes en danger, pourraient en repr(C)senter un pour les autres.
Par rapport cette question, il est important de raisonner quantitativement. La virologie, ce n'est pas du tout ou rien. De mani¨re g(C)n(C)rale, au cours des infections virales aigus, le risque de contagion et la gravit(C) de l'infection varient en fonction de la quantit(C) de virus pr(C)sents dans l'organisme et de leur excr(C)tion dans le milieu ext(C)rieur. Quelques copies de virus tapis dans les sinus n'ont pas la dangerosit(C) d'un million projet(C)s par la toux. Un sujet asymptomatique produit moins de virus qu'un sujet symptomatique et les s(C)cr¨te moins vers l'ext(C)rieur. La quantit(C) de virus produite et donc le risque de contagion sont corr(C)l(C)s la gravit(C) des sympt´mes. Mªme si elle n'est pas de z(C)ro, le risque de transmission est donc vraisemblablement faible pour un sujet asymptomatique. Malheureusement, r(C)p(C)ter sans cesse que la contagion venant d'un sujet parfaitement asymptomatique est possible sans aucune pr(C)cision sur le niveau de risque pousse prendre des mesures disproportionn(C)es avec le risque.
De mªme, la strat(C)gie d(C)pister-isoler >> n'est pas r(C)aliste lorsque le d(C)pistage n'est pas suffisamment fiable et surtout lorsque le virus est d(C)j largement r(C)pandu dans la population. Il est bien trop tard pour appliquer une m(C)thode con§ue pour bloquer une (C)pid(C)mie sa naissance. Comme pour une invasion de coccinelles ou de frelons, on ne peut stopper un virus qui est d(C)j partout avec une passoire trou(C)e 25% et bouch(C)e par endroits. L'(C)chec de la strat(C)gie actuelle est plut´t li(C) sa conception na¯ve et inapplicable qu'aux mauvais comportements des citoyens.
Si, comme on l'observe en ce moment, la diffusion virale reprend, faut-il d(C)pister plus massivement ou revoir la strat(C)gie de protection de la population ?
Cette question ne rel¨ve pas de la science. Elle d(C)pend des risques acceptables par un individu ou par un groupe. Si on est dans la recherche du risque minimal, proche de z(C)ro, parce que le risque n'a pas (C)t(C) quantifi(C), ou pour des raisons de responsabilit(C) juridique, on doit prendre les pr(C)cautions maximales. Si on accepte un risque mªme faible, on peut reprendre certaines libert(C)s et prot(C)ger ceux qui en ont r(C)ellement besoin.
Le scientifique doit mesurer la grandeur des risques et ne pas se contenter d'affirmer qu'un (C)v(C)nement adverse est possible >>. Mais ce n'est pas son r´le de d(C)cider si ces risques peuvent ªtre pris par autrui.
Les tests PCR permettent une d(C)tection extrªmement sensible de l'ARN viral. Ils sont indispensables mais ne sont pas la solution ultime et unique qui permettra de contr´ler l'(C)pid(C)mie et de g(C)rer efficacement les risques de contagion. Appliqu(C)e lorsque le virus est largement diss(C)min(C) dans la population, la strat(C)gie d(C)pister isoler >> est vou(C)e l'(C)chec. Du fait de la sensibilit(C) tr¨s (C)lev(C)e et des limites de leur sp(C)cificit(C), les tests PCR doivent ªtre pratiqu(C)s et interpr(C)t(C)s avec pr(C)caution, et comme toujours en lien avec le contexte clinique et (C)pid(C)miologique. N'oublions pas qu'un sujet asymptomatique doit plut´t ªtre consid(C)r(C) comme immunis(C) que comme malade.
[17] Les tests RT-PCR du Covid-19 se r(C)v¨lent ªtre de tr¨s mauvais tests de contagiosit(C), Xavier Boisinet, mis jour le 3/9/2020.
[18] De nombreuses publications partag(C)es des milliers de fois sur les r(C)seaux sociaux en quelques jours affirment que 90% >> des personnes d(C)clar(C)es positives au Covid-19 ont en fait des charges virales trop basses pour ªtre malades >> ou contagieuses >>. C'est faux.
[19] Mise au point du CNR sur la r(C)alisation des pr(C)l¨vements et la sensibilit(C) des tests RT-PCR pour la d(C)tection du SARS-CoV-2, 9 mai 2020
[20] Avis du 25 septembre 2020 de la Soci(C)t(C) Fran§aise de Microbiologie (SFM) relatif l'interpr(C)tation de la valeur de Ct (estimation de la charge virale) obtenue en cas de RT-PCR SARS-CoV-2 positive sur les pr(C)l¨vements cliniques r(C)alis(C)s des fins diagnostiques ou de d(C)pistage, 25 septembre 2020
[21] Coronavirus '' Les tests PCR inadapt(C)s contre l'(C)pid(C)mie? Jusqu' 90% de personnes test(C)es ne seraient pas contagieuses >>, bas(C) sur une (C)tude d'une (C)quipe de Harvard ( Harvard TH Chan School of Public Health) de Michael Mina, d(C)partement d'(C)pid(C)miologie, je vous mets en fichier joint le PDF correspondant, une (C)tude, reprise par le NY Times :
Pour eux, la limite du test PCR (pr(C)l¨vement par voie nasale ou salivaire) r(C)side dans la brutalit(C) et la simplicit(C) du r(C)sultat qu'il donne. La personne est soit positive, soit n(C)gative. Pas plus de renseignement, notamment sur la contagiosit(C) du malade.
Or, les scientifiques d'Harvard soul¨vent le probl¨me de la quantit(C) de virus que ce test PCR ne donne pas et qui pourrait, selon eux, permettre de donner des cl(C)s suppl(C)mentaires pour contrer l'(C)pid(C)mie.
Les tests standards diagnostiquent un grand nombre de personnes qui peuvent ªtre porteuses de quantit(C)s relativement insignifiantes du virus >>, explique ainsi le Dr. Michael Mina, (C)pid(C)miologiste la Harvard TH Chan School of Public Health. >>
[22] Au rythme actuel avec nos tests RT-PCR, nous allons confiner des dizaines de milliers de gens pour rien >>, alerte le Dr. Yvon Le Flohic, manuel Moragues, 3 septembre 2020.
[23] Tests de diagnostic ultra sensibles, les tests RT-PCR sortent positifs mªme pour des individus qui portent trop peu de virus pour ªtre encore contagieux. Pour en faire de meilleurs tests de contagiosit(C), certains appellent baisser leur seuil de d(C)tection. Est-ce une bonne id(C)e ? Quelles sont les limites de cette solution ? D(C)cryptage.Xavier Boinivet, 15 septembre 2020
[24] Jean-Luc Gala (UCL) estime que les futures mesures de la Celeval, tel le lockdown, vont tuer l'(C)conomie, provoquer des suicides et d(C)stabiliser l'tat. Le Celeval, ou Cellule d'(C)valuation, est le groupe d'experts qui conseillent le gouvernement belge dans la gestion du COVID.
[25] L'OMS plaide pour (C)viter tout prix les confinements : 'Cela ne rend que les pauvres plus pauvres'
[26] Voici comment la pand(C)mie risque de faire exploser la pauvret(C) mondiale, une premi¨re en 22 ans
[27] 'Le coronavirus menace 500 millions de personnes de pauvret(C)', pr(C)vient l'Oxfam. Ce n'est pas le coronavirus, la menace, mais l'attitude de nos gouvernants face au coronavirus !
[28] Le ch´mage de masse est d(C)sormais mondial
[29] 'Nous risquons une crise alimentaire imminente si des mesures ne sont pas prises rapidement'. Encore une fois, ce n'est pas cause du coronavirus, mais cause de notre attitude face cette crise.
Coronavirus: Rapid test 'missed over 50% of positive cases in pilot' | The Independent
A rapid coronavirus test that gives results in only 20 minutes missed more than half of positive cases during a pilot scheme in Greater Manchester, according to reports.
Scientists said the rapid test '' a key part of Boris Johnson's Operation Moonshot mass testing plan '' identified only 46.7 per cent of infections during a trial in Manchester and Salford last month.
The team from Greater Manchester's mass testing group (MTEG) raised concerns about the accuracy of the OptiGene Direct RT-LAMP test, in a letter published by The Guardian.
''The current available data from the Manchester pilot shows low sensitivity (46.7 per cent) of the Direct RT-LAMP platform,'' the letter said.
The scientists said they had ''significant concerns'' and felt the data did not support a large-scale rollout of the tests to staff in clinical settings, such as hospitals and care homes.
However, the Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has pushed back against the claims, arguing that it was ''incorrect'' to suggest this particular kind of rapid test has a low sensitivity.
Professor Mark Wilcox, co-chair of the department's Technical Validation Group, the rapid LAMP test used in Manchester had been validated in another recent pilot elsewhere that showed it had an overall sensitivity of nearly 80 per cent.
''The direct LAMP tests used in Manchester have been validated in other laboratories and in real-world testing for use in different settings,'' said Mr Wilcox.
''It is incorrect to claim the tests have a low sensitivity, with a recent pilot showing overall technical sensitivity of nearly 80 per cent rising to over 96 per cent in individuals with a higher viral load, making it important for detecting individuals in the infectious stage.
''The challenge now is to understand the reasons for the difference in claimed sensitivity in one evaluation versus those in multiple others.''
The loop-mediated isothermal amplification (LAMP) swab tests can be analysed at ambient temperature next to testings centres, rather than the standard PCR swab tests which are taken to remote laboratories for processing.
The MTEG scientists, who reports to Greater Manchester's health chiefs and the mayor Andy Burnham, revealed their fears in a letter to Martyn Pritchard, chair of the region's testing strategy group.
The government's mass testing plans being developed under Operation Moonshot could see up to 10 million people tested every day at a reported cost of £100bn.
Mr Johnson said that technical advances '' including different kinds of rapid testing being piloted across Liverpool from Friday '' could help allow for a return towards normal life.
The prime minister told a Downing Street press conference on Thursday: ''These really are full of promise, I do think that testing does offer a real way forward for this country.''
The LAMP tests are due to be used as part of the pilot scheme which starts in Liverpool on Friday, though several other types of rapid Covid tests will also be used in the city.
Vaccines and such
State Bar Passes Mandatory COVID-19 Vaccination Recommendation | New York Law Journal
News Mary Beth Morrissey, chair of the bar association's Health Law Section's Task Force on COVID-19, said in a statement after the vote on Saturday, ''The authority of the state to respond to a public health crisis is well-established in constitutional law.'' A lab technician extracts a portion of a COVID-19 vaccine candidate during testing at the Chula Vaccine Research Center, run by Chulalongkorn University in Bangkok, Thailand, Monday, May 25, 2020. Researchers in Thailand claim to have promising results with the vaccination on mice, and have begun testing on monkeys. (AP Photo/Sakchai Lalit)The New York State Bar Association on Saturday passed a resolution urging the state to consider making it mandatory for all New Yorkers to undergo COVID-19 vaccination when a vaccine becomes available, even if people object to it for ''religious, philosophical or personal reasons.''
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Ferrets!
First the came for Mink, then DOGS!
Just a short info from Denmark.
By the 16 of November her in Denmark all mink are to be put down du to a mutation the Danish "cdc" Statens Serums Institut found. Thy say that they have found al least 5 mutations of the COVID-19 virus They call it cluster 5. And that say it jumps from Mink to people. That are stepping up test by 3 fold by the 16 of November in north Jutland from 6500 test a day now.
I have heard people making fun of the fact saying they will be coming for our pets next, with fear in there voice.
But that might be the perfect plan for the state to get rid of all the dogs and make us make more babies 😂🤣
Sorry for the late info.
Kres Drewsen
Nasal Spray Prevents Covid Infection in Ferrets, Study Finds - The New York Times
Scientists at Columbia University have developed a treatment that blocks the virus in the nose and lungs, is inexpensive and needs no refrigeration.
Ferrets are used by scientists studying flu, SARS and other respiratory diseases because the animals can catch viruses through the nose much like humans do. Credit... Peter Kovalev\TASS, via Getty Images A nasal spray that blocks the absorption of the SARS-CoV-2 virus has completely protected ferrets it was tested on, according to a small study released on Thursday by an international team of scientists. The study, which was limited to animals and has not yet been peer-reviewed, was assessed by several health experts at the request of The New York Times.
If the spray, which the scientists described as nontoxic and stable, is proved to work in humans, it could provide a new way of fighting the pandemic. A daily spritz up the nose would act like a vaccine.
''Having something new that works against the coronavirus is exciting,'' said Dr. Arturo Casadevall, the chairman of immunology at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, who was not involved in the study. ''I could imagine this being part of the arsenal.''
The work has been underway for months by scientists from Columbia University Medical Center in New York, Erasmus Medical Center in the Netherlands and Cornell University in Ithaca, N.Y., The study was funded by the National Institutes of Health and the Columbia University Medical Center.
The team would require additional funding to pursue clinical trials in humans. Dr. Anne Moscona, a pediatrician and microbiologist at Columbia and co-author of the study, said they had applied for a patent on the product, and she hoped Columbia University would approach the federal government's Operation Warp Speed or large pharmaceutical companies that are seeking new ways to combat the coronavirus.
The spray attacks the virus directly. It contains a lipopeptide, a cholesterol particle linked to a chain of amino acids, the building blocks of proteins. This particular lipopeptide exactly matches a stretch of amino acids in the spike protein of the virus, which the pathogen uses to attach to a human airway or lung cell.
Before a virus can inject its RNA into a cell, the spike must effectively unzip, exposing two chains of amino acids, in order to fuse to the cell wall. As the spike zips back up to complete the process, the lipopeptide in the spray inserts itself, latching on to one of the spike's amino acid chains and preventing the virus from attaching.
''It is like you are zipping a zipper but you put another zipper inside, so the two sides cannot meet,'' said Matteo Porotto, a microbiologist at Columbia University and one of the paper's authors.
The work was described in a paper posted to the preprint server bioRxiv Thursday morning, and has been submitted to the journal Science for peer review.
Dr. Peter J. Hotez, dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine, said the therapy looked ''really promising.''
''What I'd like to know now is how easy it is to scale production,'' he said.
In the study, the spray was given to six ferrets, which were then divided into pairs and placed in three cages. Into each cage also went two ferrets that had been given a placebo spray and one ferret that had been deliberately infected with SARS-CoV-2 a day or two earlier.
Ferrets are used by scientists studying flu, SARS and other respiratory diseases because they can catch viruses through the nose much as humans do, although they also infect each other by contact with feces or by scratching and biting.
After 24 hours together, none of the sprayed ferrets caught the disease; all the placebo-group ferrets did.
''Virus replication was completely blocked,'' the authors wrote.
The protective spray attaches to cells in the nose and lungs and lasts about 24 hours, Dr. Moscona said. ''If it works this well in humans, you could sleep in a bed with someone infected or be with your infected kids and still be safe,'' she said.
The amino acids come from a stretch of the spike protein in coronaviruses that rarely mutates. The scientists tested it against four different variants of the virus, including both the well-known ''Wuhan'' and ''Italian'' strains, and also against the coronaviruses that cause SARS and MERS.
In cell cultures, it protected completely against all strains of the pandemic virus, fairly well against SARS and partially against MERS.
The lipoprotein can be inexpensively produced as a freeze-dried white powder that does not need refrigeration, Dr. Moscona said. A doctor or pharmacist could mix the powder with sugar and water to produce a nasal spray.
Other labs have designed antibodies and ''mini-proteins'' that also block the SARS-CoV-2 virus from entering cells, but these are chemically more complex and may need to be stored in cold temperatures.
Dr. Moscona and Dr. Porotto have been collaborating on similar ''fusion inhibitor'' peptides for 15 years, they said in a conference call. They have developed some against measles, Nipah, parainfluenza and other viruses.
But those products aroused little commercial interest, Dr. Porotto said, because an effective measles vaccine already exists and because the deadly Nipah virus only turns up occasionally in faraway places like Bangladesh and Malaysia.
Monoclonal antibodies to the new coronavirus have been shown to prevent infection as well as treat it, but they are expensive to make, require refrigeration and must be injected. Australian scientists have tested a nasal spray against Covid-19 in ferrets, but it works by enhancing the immune system, not by targeting the virus directly.
Because lipopeptides can be shipped as a dry powder, they could be used even in rural areas in poor countries that lack refrigeration, Dr. Moscona said.
Dr. Moscona, a pediatrician who usually works on parainfluenza and other viruses that infect children, said she was most interested in getting the product to poor countries that may never have access to the monoclonal antibodies and mRNA vaccines that Americans may soon have. But she has little experience in that arena, she said.
(Courthouse News photo/Barbara Leonard)ZURICH (AFP) '-- If your pet is a picky eater now, wait until it sees what Nestle's pet food brand Purina has in store: a new line of chow based on insect protein.
The Swiss food giant said Thursday that Purina was launching a line based on ''alternative proteins'' from insects and plants, ''to make better use of the planet' resources.''
The Beyond Nature's Protein line of dry food for cats and dogs will first be sold in Switzerland, where it will become available this month, Nestle said in a statement.
Purina veterinarians and nutritionists have developed two separate recipes, with one based on chicken, pig's liver and millet, and the second using insect protein, chicken and fava beans.
''The insect protein comes from black soldier fly larvae, which are already in use in animal feed in Europe,'' the statement said.
The new line offers ''a complete nutritious alternative to conventional dog and cat products, while taking care of the planet's precious resources by diversifying the protein sources,'' Purina chief Bernard Meunier said in the statement.
As for how pets will react to the new bug-infused dishes, Nestle said Purina would be surveying consumers for feedback.
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Dark Winter
The Global Economy: Heading Toward a Dark Winter? | Council on Foreign Relations
The global economy is poised for a difficult period. The largest economies in Europe are shutting down for a second time. The benefits of the U.S. stimulus are starting to fade. Asia should be in a better place, given its health statistics'--but its recovery to date has relied in part on the rest of the world's demand and thus it isn't fully insulated from renewed global weakness.
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Both the United States and Europe reported strong recoveries in the third quarter. The euro area grew a bit faster than the U.S. economy in the third quarter, but that is misleading since the strong rebound in the third quarter stemmed from a bigger fall in the second quarter. Output in the euro area remained a little more than 4 percent below its prepandemic level, while output in the United States is down by around 3.5 percent.
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It is already clear that Europe is set for a weak fourth quarter. European Central Bank (ECB) President Christine Lagarde was diplomatic: ''The euro area economic recovery is losing momentum more rapidly than expected.'' Even if the current round of lockdowns is somewhat less disruptive than in the spring, it will set the recovery back'--or rather, the resurgence of the virus has set the recovery back, since, even absent formal restrictions, households tend to take steps to limit the risk of transmission.
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The ECB almost certainly will need to provide more support for Europe's recovery at its meeting in December'--and Europe's fiscal stance will need to be recalibrated.
Europe should get credit for its aggressive fiscal response to the COVID-19 shock. But now it seems too optimistic to expect that effective containment of the virus will allow for a natural rebound in activity that will generate a rise in revenues and bring down fiscal deficits in 2020. Absent a quick public health breakthrough, more fiscal support likely will be needed in 2021, something that the ECB recognizes.
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United States: A Weak Recovery Looms Without More Policy ActionThe apparent strength of the U.S. recovery in the third quarter is also deceptive. The economy'--as a chart of estimated monthly gross domestic product (GDP) shows'--was already losing momentum in August and September. The reported increase in the average level of activity in the third quarter relative to the second quarter is largely because it was much better in May and June than in March and especially April.
It isn't hard to figure out why. The fiscal support that Congress provided in the spring supported household incomes, and it provided the foundation for a strong rise in the consumption of goods even as demand for many services remained subdued. This has not been a typical downturn: most downturns are led by a fall in investment and investment goods, but this downturn has been driven by a fall in demand for services. The large increase in U.S. demand for durable household goods has not been enough to drive a strong recovery in U.S. industrial production, since U.S. industry is more geared toward the production of large capital goods for businesses'--such as aircraft'--than household goods. The trade deficit has soared on the back of increased demand for consumption goods and still weak exports.
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The lack of recent momentum, combined with the failure to agree on a preelection stimulus package, portends a weak U.S. recovery at best. The uptick in COVID-19 cases poses further downside risks. Even in the best-case scenario, where an effective vaccine is approved in the near future, it will take time for a large portion of the population to be vaccinated. There is no real doubt that the U.S. economy needs more fiscal support. The chairman of the Federal Reserve, Jerome Powell, has been admirably clear on this point.
Asia: Drawing on the Rest of the World for DemandAsia should be the engine of the global recovery. The virus originated in China, which is now one of the few countries globally where reported output is more or less back to its prepandemic trend. South Korea and Taiwan have exceptionally good health records, and their economies are up year-over-year. Under normal circumstances, China's strong recovery would be pulling in imports, including manufactured imports. (Its output is up by close to 5 percent year-over-year, while output of many of its trade partners is down by roughly the same percentage.) China's outperformance, in turn, would normally reduce its trade surplus.
But these are not normal times. China has benefited from the shift in global demand away from services and toward the medical kits, home appliances, and laptops it produces in great quantities. But it has not done much in terms of policy to support its own consumption. As a result, the recovery in industrial production has outpaced the recovery in consumption, and China's trade surplus is setting records. But there is a downside here: China's own recovery remains vulnerable to falloff in global demand, as it has not been entirely homegrown.
Emerging Economies: Not Yet Turning the CornerFinally, if China is set aside, the world's emerging economies are not doing well. Most of them have provided a smaller fiscal stimulus than most advanced economies, and most emerging markets are now running substantial trade surpluses, which means their savings are helping to finance the fiscal deficits of advanced economies. African countries have injected smaller amounts of fiscal stimulus than they did back in 2008, according to the International Monetary Fund, since they entered the COVID-19 shock with depleted coffers after the big fall in commodity prices in 2014''15. Low interest rates in advanced economies have not translated into low borrowing costs everywhere. That is why the Group of Thirty is calling for a substantial mobilization of international support to help poor countries finance pandemic-related shocks. It could be done without large new budget outlays in the advanced economies, and it would help the entire global economy recover from a once-in-a-generation crisis.
Editor's Note: The author has been advising the team supporting Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden. He was also a project director for the Group of Thirty report on a COVID-19 recovery.
Shut Up Slave!
In the Netherlands, a Cartoon in School Leads to Online Threats and an Arrest - The New York Times
Threats against a high school teacher who displayed a political cartoon that supported the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo have alarmed Dutch officials.
A woman was arrested on suspicion of making online threats against a teacher in the Dutch city of Rotterdam. Credit... Peter Dejong/Associated Press Nov. 6, 2020 Updated 10:22 p.m. ET A month after a teacher in France was beheaded for showing caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad to his class, fears are growing in the Netherlands that the ripple effects of the attack are spreading in that country.
On Friday, an 18-year-old woman in the Dutch city of Rotterdam was arrested on suspicion of making online threats against a high school teacher who had displayed in his classroom a cartoon supporting Charlie Hebdo, the French satirical newspaper that had originally published the Muhammad caricatures.
Local media on Thursday reported that another teacher was threatened after he showed a cartoon depicting Muhammad during a class about free speech at a high school in the city of Den Bosch.
''Actions in relation to freedom of speech in schools in Rotterdam and Den Bosch have led to unrest and even threats,'' two Dutch education ministers wrote in a letter to Parliament to register their dismay. ''To intimidate and threaten teachers cannot be tolerated in any way,'' the ministers, Arie Slob and Ingrid van Engelshoven, wrote.
At the center of the incident at the Emmauscollege high school in Rotterdam was a picture of a cartoon posted on a classroom wall by a teacher several years ago that was shared on social media. The cartoon depicted a decapitated person wearing a shirt labeled ''Charlie Hebdo'' sticking out his tongue at a bearded man holding a sword, with the word ''immortal'' below it, according to the Dutch newspaper NRC.
Joep Bertrams, a Dutch political cartoonist, drew the cartoon in January 2015, when Charlie Hebdo was targeted by assailants angered by its caricatures of Muhammad in a terrorist attack in Paris that killed 12 people.
Pictures of the cartoon in the Rotterdam classroom were posted on Instagram and Snapchat, and circulated among students, attracting some angry attention. ''If this isn't removed quickly then we're going to deal with this differently,'' read a caption under one picture that showed the cartoon in the classroom on Instagram.
It was not clear if this comment involved the 18-year-old woman who was arrested, but not named, as the authorities did not specify the nature of the threat she is accused of making. The post has been deleted, but was pictured as a screengrab in the Dutch media.
The woman was arrested on suspicion of having posted a message on social media that ''incited others to commit criminal offenses against the school and teacher,'' the police said.
The incident came after Dutch schools held memorials on Monday for Samuel Paty, the teacher who was killed in France last month.
Image The school in France where Samuel Paty taught. Credit... Dmitry Kostyukov for The New York Times The incidents in France and the Netherlands underline the growing tensions between governments in the region that are taking a hard line on issues such as free speech, and their many citizens of Muslim faith who have found material like the caricatures produced by Charlie Hebdo and the language used to defend them deeply offensive.
After Mr. Paty's killing, French authorities waged a crackdown against Muslim individuals and groups that has unsettled many in the community. President Emmanuel Macron's interior minister, a hard-line right-wing politician who once suggested that Islam needed to be ''totally assimilated to the Republic,'' has been the leading figure in that effort.
In a letter to parents on Tuesday, Emmauscollege high school said ''the context around the cartoon completely disappeared'' as it was circulated on social media. NRC reported that some students at the school, which includes a large number of Muslims, mistakenly believed that the cartoon depicted Muhammad.
''The consequence is that threats were made,'' the letter said. ''We find these threats unacceptable.''
In an interview, Mr. Bertrams, the Dutch cartoonist, said his drawings depicted a terrorist, not Muhammad.
''I act against fanatics within a religion that do things that I don't agree with,'' Mr. Bertrams said about his cartoons. ''I never drew cartoons of the prophet, and I suppose I will never do, even if I could, because I respect religion.''
In Rotterdam, the police increased surveillance around Emmauscollege, and Dutch officials urged teachers to report any threats or intimidation.
The threats have alarmed officials in the Netherlands for their similarities with the events that took a deadly turn in France last month.
Mr. Paty, a 47-year-old history teacher, faced a backlash from offended students after he showed the Charlie Hebdo caricatures in a class on freedom of expression. Mr. Paty later apologized, but an angry father complained about him in videos he uploaded on social media. An 18-year-old teenager who saw the videos went on Oct. 16 to the middle school where Mr. Paty taught, and killed him in the street after he left school.
''What happened in France has gathered a lot of attention, we are taking these threats very seriously,'' said Lillian van Duijvenbode, a spokeswoman for the Rotterdam police.
Dutch media and Mr. Slob, one of the education ministers who wrote a letter to Parliament, said the teacher in Rotterdam, who has not been named, had gone into hiding. Emmauscollege refused to comment on the teacher, and the police declined to comment on his whereabouts.
Officials in France said a core pillar of the country, its public education system, had been targeted by the attack on Mr. Paty. And authorities there as well as in the Netherlands and other countries have vowed to defend freedom of expression, encouraging teachers to discuss the killing of Mr. Paty with their students.
Since the attack, French authorities have reported several other related incidents. Jean-Michel Blanquer, the French education minister, said a minute of silence held in memory of Mr. Paty in French schools on Monday had been disturbed on a number of occasions. And earlier this week, a teacher in a Paris suburb filed a complaint after she said she heard a man threatening to ''avenge the Prophet'' and target teachers near a primary school.
Rens Goedknegt, a history teacher at a high school in the Dutch city of Haarlem, said Mr. Paty's killing and the incident in Rotterdam had been discussed widely at his school.
He said that he had talked about Mr. Paty's murder with his students and that a lot of them found ''it hard to understand why such a cartoon would be hurtful.'' But, he added, ''it was a good view into how other kids would have found it offensive.''
Mr. Bertram, the cartoonist, said caricatures needed to be contextualized when showed to students. The attacker he represented in 2015, he said, was covered in black, a clothing reminiscent of those worn by Islamic State fighters who were making headlines at the time.
''A cartoon is very useful to explain problems in societies, because its simplicity makes it very easy to understand it,'' Mr. Bertrams said. ''The danger is, because of the simplicity, misunderstanding can also happen very easily.''
Constant M(C)heut contributed reporting from Paris.
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NBA Players, Owners Agree to 72-Game 2020-21 Season Starting Dec. 22
On Thursday, the National Basketball Players Association confirmed its representatives tentatively approved a 72-game season that will begin Dec. 22.
Shams Charania of The Athletic and Stadium first reported the sides had agreed to a deal.
Charania and ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski provided more details:
This news was widely expected. The New York Times' Marc Stein reported Wednesday that "a ll the momentum on the player side" pointed toward training camps on Dec. 1 ahead of the regular season three weeks later.
The Athletic's David Aldridge also spoke to an agent who referenced the potential consequences of eschewing the tabled proposal:
With the COVID-19 pandemic putting the 2019-20 season on hold, one question among many was how it would disrupt the league's calendar going forward. The NBA Finals didn't conclude until Oct. 11, which made the traditional mid-to-late October start for the next year all but impossible.
One line of thinking was that the NBA would stand by until the development of a COVID vaccine allowed for fans to return to arenas in big numbers again. Some stadiums have admitted fans in other leagues, albeit well below capacity.
The drawback to that approach is that it's unclear when a vaccine will be forthcoming.
In a September interview with Bob Costas for CNN, NBA Commissioner Adam Silver said that January was his "best guess" on a start date. He added that one goal would be to play games in home arenas with fans but that a number of logistical issues needed to be resolved on that front.
However, Charania reported on Oct. 23 that the NBA league office told its board of governors Dec. 22 was the new tentative target.
ESPN's Wojnarowski and Brian Windhorst provided some more context. The plan would see the regular season shortened from 82 games to 72 and the 2021 All-Star Game canceled. The report stated the NBA was " abandoning plans to delay the opening with hopes of incorporating fans back into arenas."
Windhorst explained one reason behind Dec. 22 specifically during the Oct. 26 episode of his Hoop Collective podcast. TNT would be able to air the Los Angeles Lakers' season opener, when their players will collect their NBA championship rings, and ESPN would have its regular slate of Christmas Day games.
Wojnarowski and Zach Lowe provided the possible financial ramifications: "The league believes that a Dec. 22 start that includes Christmas Day games on television and allows for a 72-game schedule that finishes before the Summer Olympics in mid-July is worth between $500 million and $1 billion in short- and long-term revenues to the league and players, sources said."
Any proposal from the league needed the players' approval, and Charania noted how a Christmas-time opening was " quicker than expected," alluding to a level of resistance that could grow.
Lakers swingman Danny Green posited on The Ringer NBA Show that some of his teammates, including LeBron James, might choose to sit out for an extended period to allow themselves a little extra rest:
Not every team was in the same position as the Lakers and Eastern Conference champion Miami Heat, though. The eight franchises that didn't travel to the Walt Disney World Resort bubble haven't played since March, and those that didn't make deep postseason runs will have had a slightly more traditional offseason in terms of length.
Without a further reduction in the number of games, a December start was arguably the only alternative if the NBA wanted to revert back to its regular October-April regular-season calendar for 2021-22.
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Ben Carson's claim that the U.S. owes $211 trillion beyond the reported federal debt - The Washington Post
When Standard & Poor's reduced the nation's credit rating from AAA to AA-plus, the United States suffered the first downgrade to its credit rating ever. S&P took this action despite the plan Congress passed this past week to raise the debt limit.
The downgrade, S&P said, "reflects our opinion that the fiscal consolidation plan that Congress and the administration recently agreed to falls short of what, in our view, would be necessary to stabilize the government's medium-term debt dynamics."
It's those medium- and long-term debt problems that also worry economics professor Laurence J. Kotlikoff, who served as a senior economist on President Reagan's Council of Economic Advisers. He says the national debt, which the U.S. Treasury has accounted at about $14 trillion, is just the tip of the iceberg.
"We have all these unofficial debts that are massive compared to the official debt," Kotlikoff tells David Greene, guest host of weekends on All Things Considered. "We're focused just on the official debt, so we're trying to balance the wrong books."
Kotlikoff explains that America's "unofficial" payment obligations '-- like Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid benefits '-- jack up the debt figure substantially.
Laurence J. Kotlikoff served as a senior economist on President Ronald Reagan's Council of Economic Advisers and is a professor of economics at Boston University. Courtesy of Boston University hide caption
toggle caption Courtesy of Boston University Laurence J. Kotlikoff served as a senior economist on President Ronald Reagan's Council of Economic Advisers and is a professor of economics at Boston University.
Courtesy of Boston University "If you add up all the promises that have been made for spending obligations, including defense expenditures, and you subtract all the taxes that we expect to collect, the difference is $211 trillion. That's the fiscal gap," he says. "That's our true indebtedness."
We don't hear more about this enormous number, Kotlikoff says, because politicians have chosen their language carefully to keep most of the problem off the books.
"Why are these guys thinking about balancing the budget?" he says. "They should try and think about our long-term fiscal problems."
According to Kotlikoff, one of the biggest fiscal problems Congress should focus on is America's obligation to make Social Security payments to future generations of the elderly.
"We've got 78 million baby boomers who are poised to collect, in about 15 to 20 years, about $40,000 per person. Multiply 78 million by $40,000 '-- you're talking about more than $3 trillion a year just to give to a portion of the population," he says. "That's an enormous bill that's overhanging our heads, and Congress isn't focused on it."
"We've consistently done too little too late, looked too short-term, said the future would take care of itself, we'll deal with that tomorrow," he says. "Well, guess what? You can't keep putting off these problems."
To eliminate the fiscal gap, Kotlikoff says, the U.S. would have to have tax increases and spending reductions far beyond what's being negotiated right now in Washington.
"What you have to do is either immediately and permanently raise taxes by about two-thirds, or immediately and permanently cut every dollar of spending by 40 percent forever. The [Congressional Budget Office's] numbers say we have an absolutely enormous problem facing us."
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Spotify hints at subscription podcast service - The Verge
Spotify appears to be interested in launching a subscription podcast service that would offer access to original shows or exclusive episodes for a monthly fee. The potential service was described in a survey sent out through Spotify's app, which was reported on by Andrew Wallenstein, president of Variety's Intelligence Platform.
The survey describes at least four possible subscription podcast plans, ranging from $3 to $8 per month. The cheapest plan would include ''access to exclusive interviews and episodes,'' but would still include ads. The most expensive plan would include access to ''high quality original content,'' early access to some episodes, and no platform-inserted ads. None of these plans would include access to Spotify's premium music subscription.
A spokesperson for Spotify indicated that the survey should not be taken as concrete product plans. ''At Spotify, we routinely conduct a number of surveys in an effort to improve our user experience. Some of those end up paving the path for our broader user experience and others serve only as important learnings,'' the spokesperson said. ''We have no further news to share on future plans at this time.''
Looks like the premium podcast plan would be ad-free and some mix of exclusive extra content at price points somewhere between $3-$8. pic.twitter.com/ArK8xYg0CM
'-- Andrew Wallenstein (@awallenstein) November 6, 2020That means there's no guarantee that Spotify will follow through with launching any of the described services. Companies often survey customers about potential new products and may shape their plans based on the results. But the fact that Spotify is surveying users means that it's likely considering launching some sort of subscription podcast plan, even if it doesn't necessarily end up taking any of the exact forms described here.
Spotify has been making big investments into podcasting over the past two years. The company acquired several major podcast producers, including Gimlet, Parcast, and The Ringer; signed exclusive podcast deals with Michelle Obama, Kim Kardashian West, and Joe Rogan; and has increasingly promoted podcasts inside its app. Podcasts offer a lucrative opportunity for Spotify because it doesn't have to pay licensing fees and royalties to stream them, but it can still make money on subscriptions and app-inserted ads played around them.
Eventually, Spotify is going to want to make money off of the huge sums it has sunk into podcasting '-- and it seems we may have an early look at what that'll be like. Whether Spotify can pull it off is another question, though. The podcast service Luminary signed a splashy roster of talent to make podcasts for its subscription service, but it frustrated the podcast industry in the process and seems to have struggled to get listeners to sign up.
How Adam Curry uses the Lightning network for his new podcast platform - BTC21
Former CIA Director John Brennan said Friday on MSNBC's ''Deadline'' that it was ''outrageous'' Republicans were not telling President Donald Trump to stop claiming ''wide-scale fraud.''
Brennan said, ''I am just very concerned that Donald Trump right now is thinking and talking with his advisers and his inner circle of people, to see what he can do to try to derail, what I think is the inevitable inauguration of Joe Biden. And so it is up to people like William Barr now, the attorney general who has demonstrated he's willing to be Donald Trump's personal lawyer, to stand up and to refuse any type of direction that he may get. Presidents have some emergency authorities that they could try to exercise. And I'm hoping that he's not going to resort to this of the things that could create havoc in the streets. But more concerning is he going to fuel the anger, the animus of his base and encourage them to take matters in their own hands. That is something that I'm hoping and praying is not going to happen. But Donald Trump seems to only be concerned about himself and not about the country. He has no respect for the law, no respect for the office of the presidency. He only wants to do what is going to benefit Donald Trump.''
He continued, ''I think there are too few people in the Republican Party these days who have that spine and intestinal fortitude and the love of country they need in order to push back against somebody who clearly has these fascist tendencies and is clearly trampling the tenants of our democracy. The people in the White House, Mark Meadows and others who need to stop what Mr. Trump is doing. Of course, he could call for recounts. That is a legitimate request. But to continue to claim fraud and wide-scale fraud about these dedicated election officials, this is something that goes way way beyond the pale.''
He added, ''The fact that Republican senators in Congress are not speaking out loudly and continuously against Donald Trump is outrageous.''
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VIDEO-Curtis Houck on Twitter: "On ABC, Rahm Emanuel literally says a Biden White House should tell people laid off from retail stores like JC Penney to learn to code. He actually said this. Amazing. https://t.co/xlSnVi7445" / Twitter
Curtis Houck : On ABC, Rahm Emanuel literally says a Biden White House should tell people laid off from retail stores like JC Penn'... https://t.co/JTQu2OfmeC
Sat Nov 07 02:09:10 +0000 2020
George Bailey : @CurtisHouck total failure, from the former mayor of the most corrupt big city in America, where Obama came from, Chicago
Sun Nov 08 13:04:46 +0000 2020
Alyson Frost : @CurtisHouck @MattRooneyNJ (not until they learn to count change!)
Sun Nov 08 12:49:50 +0000 2020
Alyson Frost : @CurtisHouck @MattRooneyNJ And that is how your ekection software "glitches"
Sun Nov 08 12:44:18 +0000 2020
VIDEO-Trump Team reports sheriff refuses to enforce court order - YouTube
VIDEO-Robby Starbuck on Twitter: "One Michigan county clerk caught a glitch in tabulation software so they hand counted votes and found the glitch caused 6,000 votes to go to Biden + Democrats that were meant for Trump and Republicans. 47 MI counties used
Robby Starbuck : One Michigan county clerk caught a glitch in tabulation software so they hand counted votes and found the glitch ca'... https://t.co/blLEpDd87C
Fri Nov 06 18:39:41 +0000 2020
classe 2 opposant 2526 #Z : @robbystarbuck Fraude or FRAUDE the only question now
Sun Nov 08 13:00:42 +0000 2020
Lord Moore : @robbystarbuck @DarkKitty89x
Sun Nov 08 12:51:03 +0000 2020
VIDEO-VOTER FRAUD DOG VOTES IN 2020 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. UNBELIEVABLE!!!! - YouTube
Faced with the daunting task of delivering Saturday Night Live's post-election opening monologue, Dave Chappelle opted for a tone atypical of his brand of comedy: muted rather than scathing.
Chappelle appeared following a lackluster but earnest cold open, which parodied the victory speech that President-elect Joe Biden gave earlier Saturday evening. The majority of mainstream media outlets finally declared Biden the winner of the 2020 presidential election on Saturday afternoon after five days of seemingly endless vote-counting.
While many at-home viewers seemed to be anticipating a night of searing political comedy aimed at this exhausting election week, Chappelle's monologue veered away from the biting tone you might expect from the incisive, no-holds-barred comic.
Wearing a great suit and apparently smoking a cigarette onstage '-- in his defense, this was the kind of week where a performer of Chappelle's stature could probably get away with smoking on an NBC soundstage in front of a studio audience '-- Chappelle's set kept with his ongoing themes of calling out racist double standards in the US.
Chappelle started out the monologue by talking about his great-grandfather, a slave Chappelle has brought up before, most notably in his sober commentary on the death of George Floyd earlier in 2020. But rather than using his great-grandfather's story to begin a commentary on the many racial and social issues of America today, Chappelle veered into the unexpected, pivoting to a self-deprecating joke about his current Netflix and HBO specials that set the tone for the rest of the set '-- and arguably for the rest of the show, which seemed determined to skew toward the calm, even apolitical end of the spectrum.
He was quick to remind viewers, however, that ousting Trump doesn't mean the country is magically safer, despite liberals' undoubted feelings of relief. ''You ask what life was like before Covid,'' he noted. ''A mass shooting every week. Anyone remember that? Thank god for Covid.''
Chapelle also got in a few digs at the white working-class Trump voter '-- ''I don't know why poor white people don't like wearing masks. What is the problem? Wear masks at the Klan rally, wear it at the Walmart too.'' '-- as well as Trump himself, pointing out that the president took a helicopter to Walter-Reed hospital when he contracted Covid-19 even though it was just a few blocks away.
He also argued that Trump's selfishness was indicative of larger problems with the way white Americans view times of crisis.
''Don't even want to wear your mask because it's oppressive? Try wearing the mask I been wearing all these years,'' he said. ''You're not ready for this. You don't know how to survive yourselves. Black people, we're the only ones that know how to survive this. Whites come, hurry, quick, come get your [n-word] lessons. You need us. You need our eyes to save you from yourselves.''
But if Chappelle dug his heels in on his typically trenchant humor, he delivered it with a style that felt atypically disengaged, which might explain why many of his jokes met with an ambivalent studio audience. ''Trump getting coronavirus was like when Freddie Mercury got AIDS,'' he joked at one point. ''Nobody was like, how did he get it?'' True. But nobody laughed, either. Chappelle also chastised the audience for being too woke, a theme he's harped on repeatedly, and ended his monologue by suggesting that one of the other ''lessons'' that SNL's presumably left-leaning audience needs to learn is one of forgiveness and reconciliation '-- certainly not an idea to which many people are receptive in the wake of a polarizing election.
Despite the inherent tension in that message, Chappelle made it sound almost like neighborly advice, well worn, rather than an admonishment. ''I know how that feels. I promise you, I know how that feels,'' he said.
''Everyone knows how that feels. But here's the difference between me and you. You guys hate each other for it. And I don't hate anybody. I just hate that feeling. That's what I fight through. That's what I suggest you fight through. You got to find a way to live your life. Got to find a way to forgive each other. Got to find a way to find joy in your existence in spite of that feeling.''
Perhaps not the message everyone wanted to hear at the end of this election week '-- and not necessarily the burn that many SNL viewers wanted. But, perhaps, it was the one we needed.
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VIDEO-President-Elect Joe Biden & Vice President-Elect Kamala Harris Address the Nation - YouTube
Van Jones broke down on air just after CNN called former Vice President Joe Biden as the winner of the 2020 election.
In a powerful, candid broadcast moment, the CNN commentator delivered an emotional two-minute commentary when asked for his thoughts on Biden having been declared the victor, and President Donald Trump having been defeated.
''It's easier to be a parent this morning, it's easier to be a dad,'' Jones said '-- choking up from the outset. ''It's easier to tell your kids character matters, it matters. Tell them the truth matters. Being a good person matters.''
At this point, Jones began to fully break down.
''And it's easier for a lot of people. If you're Muslim in this country, you don't have to worry if the president doesn't want you here,'' he said. ''If you're an immigrant, you don't have to worry about your babies being snatched away or send DREAMers back for no reason. It's vindication for a lot of people who have really suffered.''
'''I can't breathe,' that wasn't just George Floyd. A lot of people have felt they couldn't breathe. Every day you're waking up and getting tweets, and you're going to the store and people who have been afraid to show their racism are getting nastier and nastier to you. And you're worried about your kids, and you're worried about your sister, can she just go to Walmart and get back into her car without somebody saying something to her. And you've spent so much of your life energy just trying to hold it together.''
Jones concluded by directing the message to his sons.
''I just want my sons to look at this,'' Jones said. ''It's easy to do it the cheap way, and get away with stuff. But it comes back around. It comes back around. And this is a good day for this country.''
Watch above, via CNN.
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VIDEO-Rahm Emanuel to Fired Retail Workers: You Can Learn to Code!
Laid-off retail workers should learn to code for new software jobs, says Democrat heavyweight Rahm Emanuel.
''There's going to be people, like at J.C. Penney and other retail [outlets]. Those jobs are not coming back,'' Emanuel told ABC News November 6.
''Give them the tools, six months, you're going to become a computer coder. We'll pay for it, and you'll get millions of people to sign up for that,'' Emanuel said. ''They are not going back to parts of the retail economy, and we need to give them a lifeline to what's the next chapter.''
On ABC, Rahm Emanuel literally says a Biden White House should tell people laid off from retail stores like JC Penney to learn to code.
He actually said this. Amazing. pic.twitter.com/xlSnVi7445
'-- Curtis Houck (@CurtisHouck) November 7, 2020
Even if older American retail workers can learn the skills, Emanuel's plan would likely fail because Fortune 500 companies prefer to hire foreign visa workers instead of hiring the existing supply of American young software professionals.
And the government quietly delivers this resident army of at least 1.5 million white-collar visa workers via the Optional Practical Training program, the H-1B visa program, as well as via the J-1, L-1, H4EAD, E-3, Curricular Practical Training, TN, and B-1/B-2 programs.
Emanuel may not know about this huge labor policy, even though he is a former chief of staff to former President Barack Obama and also a former mayor of Chicago.
Most of these foreign workers are imported from low-tier universities in India and work for many years at low wages in mid-skill jobs in the hope of getting green cards and citizenship delivered via a current or future employer. Some work as H-1B contractors at brand name companies, like Facebook and Amazon, but most compliantly serve as gig workers for little-known subcontractors in the hope of getting the huge deferred bonus of green cards.
CEOs at Fortune 500 companies quietly outsource many of their full-time jobs to this huge ''Green Card Workforce,'' so cutting their payroll costs and boosting their near-term stock values for shareholders and C-suite executives.
This green card outsourcing prevents many American graduates from getting paid jobs where they can use the degrees they earned with borrowed tuition money. This outsourcing also pushes many experienced American professionals from mid-career jobs, while millions more face lower salaries and persistent job insecurity.
Corporate diversity reports, university reports, and census data show that large slices of the nation's technology workforce consist of ill-paid, ill-treated foreign workers who have the same job security and professional authority as migrant stoop workers in U.S. fields.
The foreigners' limited skills and lack of workplace rights help to reduce productivity, lower the quality of software, and slow research. But those losses are acceptable because the foreign workers successfully minimize U.S. professionals' role in the sector, so minimizing the formation of innovative rival companies.
So this labor policy delivers workplace stability, cheaper graduates, and higher stock values to the current executives and leading shareholders of the Fortune 500 companies.
However, President Trump has begun to reform this green card workforce to steer many of these white-collar jobs back to Americans.
In contrast, Joe Biden's 2020 plan would import many foreign workers for jobs that retail workers can accomplish with pride.
He promised to ''reassert America's commitment to asylum-seekers and refugees,'' to wipe out Trump's asylum reforms, bar any deportations for 100 days, and end migration enforcement against illegal aliens unless they commit a felony.
Biden also promised to let companies import more visa workers, let mayors import temporary workers, and allow an unlimited flow of foreign graduates through U.S. universities into white-collar jobs. He would ''exempt from any cap [the] recent graduates of Ph.D. programs in STEM fields.''
Biden also wants to accelerate the inflow of chain migration migrants and dramatically accelerate the inflow of poor refugees to at least 125,000 per year.
A trade group for many universities is lobbying vs. a Trump reform that would help their indebted American grads get better jobs at higher wages. Huh? B/c the reform would cut the $ billions they get for sneaking foreign grads into Americans' jobs. #H1Bhttps://t.co/yehkjIxp6m
'-- Neil Munro (@NeilMunroDC) November 3, 2020
VIDEO-Media Announces Biden Victory...Then Rudy Giuliani Takes the Mic With Bomb About What's to Come - YouTube
VIDEO-Lou Dobbs on Twitter: "Democracy at Stake: @SidneyPowell1 @TomFitton discuss the potential for nationwide voter irregularities & whether state legislatures and courts will uphold the rule of law. #MAGA #AmericaFirst #Dobbs https://t.co/srJFNAaVA
Jack Ewing : @LouDobbs @SidneyPowell1 @TomFitton Time to put up or shut up. Time for Trump to produce arrests or CONCEDE.
Sat Nov 07 05:06:00 +0000 2020
VIDEO-Jamie on Twitter: "Sidney Powell just said they have evidence that HAMMER and SCORECARD were used to change voting numbers. https://t.co/czRyms8CKG" / Twitter
Jamie : Sidney Powell just said they have evidence that HAMMER and SCORECARD were used to change voting numbers. https://t.co/czRyms8CKG
Fri Nov 06 23:15:03 +0000 2020
MONA : @Gribbs7 Fox News is corrupt now
Sat Nov 07 04:58:58 +0000 2020
delta dawn : @Gribbs7 @bcrider77 Is Fox Business where are the real reporting happens? Bc its not on regular FOX news. Have I be'... https://t.co/6izWu4wESw
Sat Nov 07 04:56:06 +0000 2020
VIDEO-Ian Miles Cheong on Twitter: "This is big. The software used to tabulate the votes in one county sent at least 6,000 Trump votes to Biden. 47 counties used the software. Other states may have, too. Was it a glitch or a "feature"? https://t.co/eeV4Ve
Ian Miles Cheong : This is big. The software used to tabulate the votes in one county sent at least 6,000 Trump votes to Biden. 47 cou'... https://t.co/opOtyUOYY7
Fri Nov 06 19:20:53 +0000 2020
Rick Scott : @stillgray @Truth67968705 IF this happened you will win in court. Stop trying to stir the pot and get someone killed.
Fri Nov 06 21:51:45 +0000 2020
Muhammad Was A Filthy Pedophile : @stillgray It won't be hard to strip that software program down and find out if it was an intentional 'function' of the software.
RandomConnecticutResident : @stillgray Just want to throw it out there that the same software vendor that caused this glitch in Michigan also c'... https://t.co/k8IQeLqUpT
Fri Nov 06 21:51:37 +0000 2020
Gordo : @stillgray A glitch in Ivanka's voting machine software?
Fri Nov 06 21:51:36 +0000 2020
Truth '¯¸ ' : @stillgray Was it one of Ivanka's machines? Was the software supposed to glitch the other way?
Fri Nov 06 21:51:33 +0000 2020
PaLopez : @stillgray False
Fri Nov 06 21:51:28 +0000 2020
VIDEO-Newsmax on Twitter: "It's all starting to make sense, says Greg Kelly... are certain 'traitors' allowing Joe Biden's 'plan' to unfold? @gregkellyusa https://t.co/VlT7z8drtO https://t.co/zx8m0szdhB" / Twitter
Newsmax : It's all starting to make sense, says Greg Kelly... are certain 'traitors' allowing Joe Biden's 'plan' to unfold?'... https://t.co/dUnFqXvebL
Fri Nov 06 01:45:46 +0000 2020
VIDEO-Ian Miles Cheong on Twitter: "Vernon Jones: "We are not going to stand for it, we are not going to back down. We are going to fight. This is a battle cry." "I just want to say to the press, we ain't bullshitting." https://t.co/aZfvOpmcVX" / Twitter
Ian Miles Cheong : Vernon Jones: "We are not going to stand for it, we are not going to back down. We are going to fight. This is a ba'... https://t.co/d7QDutwN3I
Fri Nov 06 00:48:43 +0000 2020
tcorpstexas : @stillgray #VernonJones2024
Fri Nov 06 01:28:03 +0000 2020
Peaches : @stillgray YES!!!!!!!
Fri Nov 06 01:27:58 +0000 2020
WestCoast_Life : @stillgray @DA_Memes1 This democrat has more balls than the spineless gop
Adam Curry Jhansi devorah this is your award winning nation media assassination Episode 1200 93 This is no agenda broadcasting live from opportunity's own 33 in the frontier of Austin, Texas. starts in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam Curry
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from Northern Silicon Valley where we discovered that if you take the year 2020 and divided by 666 to market the beast, you get 30330. Joe Biden's text number we've elected Satan and Jhansi Dvorak.
Dude, we almost gotten a well, I was okay for me. But Tina got no sleep last night.
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Was there an earthquake coming? Or what was the deal? You know, we live
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in South East Austin on the tip of gentrification. So, yes, so we have the apartments behind our house. The section eight apartments were playing their Mexican music until 430 this morning. And you can't go tell people who are partying that they can just like not not with such
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not under section eight apartments. Thank you very much.
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That's a victory. Like it's all fine. But again, man, it's the it's the distortion that gets me. Yeah, and just in our bedroom. It was Oh, my goodness. Okay,
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man, can you turn it down?
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Yeah, really?
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So
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Oh, my goodness.
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Our local areas we had the biggest party will there's big giant celebration party in the Castro. Yeah. Oh, sure. Massive Yeah. And you look at they had a chopper fuck. And I'm looking at this and look at this is the size of a Trump rally Annecy? Anybody in the news media complaining about no social distance saying lack of masks? No. Fine. Celebrating, okay. Those other things out the window. It's what it is. You know, that's just what it is, john. It is what it is what it is, yes, my goodness. And right after show day two, all of this happened. And it was just coming down fast and furious. And we knew that the media would not give up their position as the ones to call the election. But again, like the the election evening speech the Joe Biden did, which is not a victory or concession speech, which was rare in my recollection. Now we had a victory speech, before concession was given. Has that happened? Satan? Okay, I gotcha. But Has that ever happened before has Satan effort? One out, right. So so we don't know. It was. Okay. So we'll talk about all the all the potential fraud and everything. There's lots of stuff to go through. But people were so invested in this and it was so obvious with the celebrations it was I mean, it was fantastic. To see everybody so happy and so elated. We went out to dinner last night with one of the millennials and she was super happy. Not with Joe Biden winning, by the way, because he's no good, but just you know, having defeated racism that was that was a win. So I understand the jubilance. Brian, the gay Crusader was cruising the streets of Philadelphia. And he was sending me pictures in real time. A van arrived on the scene opened up their doors and out came all the way one prepared printed signs. What was interesting Not a single one of them had joe biden's picture on it. It was only Camila. Oh, the Oh, he he sent you pics? Yeah. He said I can't find a single one over the newsletter. Okay, well, he's hearing this and we'll send them to you. I'll send what I have. But oh yeah, it was he's the one that was sending me the signs you know when when they were counting the votes and all of this stuff, both sides but this was the the victory party. Pre printed signs did not have camera on it. I'm sorry, had a camel a bunch of camela stuff going on here. There was Berkeley had a big party because camela lived in Berkeley. She's a Berkeley girl. Then okhla had a big party because she's an Oakland girl. Yeah. And the San Francisco had a big party, because she's the San Francisco girl and possibly gay. So there is the possibly gay three, three events. I hadn't heard this one. That's a good one. But the the most interesting response I saw and there was an I have a whole bin full of just quick media responses with what people were saying and who all of a sudden appeared on the scene. It was, it was really because, you know, familiar faces came back after months of being vacant. And Van Jones was on set with anderson cooper as as the news came in that the media had determined by Joe Biden Kamala Harris had won the election again, the media has determined this. So that's, that's, you know, they've they've kept their with their, with their mantra and with their mission. But Van Jones was deeply affected. And this was real, I'd why. Well, listen to me, if you say it's real, it's fine. It's real. But why? Why was he affected? Yeah, this had everything to do with race. Why is he talking about Detroit? I'm sorry, as he sets it up so beautifully, and then messes it up once again.
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Oh, God.
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Here it is. I'm gonna edit that. So it sounds slicker.
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Why bother?
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It's, um,
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well, it's easier to be a parent this morning. It's easier to be a dad. It's easier. It's easier. What? To tell your kids character matters. It matters. To tell them the truth matters. A good person matters.
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And it's easier for a lot of people. If you're Muslim, in this country, you don't have to worry if the president doesn't want to hear. If you're ever good, you don't have to worry if the President's gonna be happy to have babies. Send dreamers. Back. vindication for a lot of people who it really Oh my
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god,
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you know, I can't breathe. You know, that wasn't just George flow. It does. A lot of people felt that couldn't breathe. Every day, you're waking up and you're getting these tweets, and you go into the store, and people who have been afraid to show their racism get nastier and nastier to you and you worried about your kids, and you're worried about your sister? And can she just go to Walmart and get back into the car without somebody saying something to her, and you spent so much of your life energy, just trying to hold it together. And this is a big deal for us just to be able to get some peace and and have a chance for a reset. And the character of the country matters. And being a good man matters. You know, I just want my son's to look at this.
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Look at this. You know, it's easy to do what the cheap way and, and get away with stuff. But it comes back around. It comes back around. And it's a good day for this country. I'm sorry for the people who lost it for them. It's not a good day. But for a lot of people. It's a good day.
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And I think this is stopped, Stop the presses and give yourself clip of the day right off the bat.
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This is I think a great example of what a pixie is Pixie p ICC perception induced concept change. He has seen so much racism during the past four years that probably did not exist, like the berries are trying to pick as we explained on the last show,
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but one of the greatest moments in the history of the no agenda show is
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discussing that perception induced concept change. And it's real. This guy was really affected. That's not acting. It's just it's and just to accentuate that. It's all about race. Here's Van Jones and it was an earlier maybe a later segment with David Axelrod. Why is he talking about Detroit? Why is he talking about Philadelphia? It's not subtle. It's race. It's race. It's Donald Trump's go to play, and it's disgusting. So I just want to say that I appreciate you, teeing it up.
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Unbelievable that he can say these cities are known for corruption, etc, etc. There's this corruption all across this country, in every institution. Why are
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you singling out these two black cities? Oh, that is why are
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you denying the victory that these people have fought for? For, I'm upset about it.
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There's no white people in Detroit, by the way,
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because African Americans have fought so hard for the right to vote. I just want to finish. African Americans and our allies have fought so hard for the right of this right to vote for us is precious.
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john lewis died this year.
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This is something we went and we got young African Americans across this country to believe to buy in, to stand in line to do this thing, and have the president knighted states crap all over their efforts, it hurts. And you can say you didn't mean it to be racial,
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but it feels natural to us.
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I should have said prevalence induce by the way it's not perception, prevalence induced.
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Like perception.
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But that's not the official name.
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We can change it. Okay.
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purse have hereby changed. Done. That's how easy it is. It's nice, by the way, how bad fit in that that little we need. It's time for a reset on that previous clip. It's time for a reset. And anderson cooper not black. He has his own way
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of venting his anger. I don't think we've ever seen anything like this from President of the United States. And I think this district said it is it's sad and it is truly pathetic. And of course it is dangerous. And of course it will go to courts. But you'll notice the President did not have any evidence presented at all didn't mean no real actual evidence of any kind of fraud. Talked about people putting up papers in Windows, he talked about things that he'd seen on the internet. That is the President of the United States. That is the most powerful person in the world. And this guy cjm asshole.
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You're missing the best part.
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That is the President of the United States. That is the most powerful person in the world. And we see him like an obese turtle on his back flailing his hazzan realizing his time is
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over. That is a great image.
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thick. I love that
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Jake Tapper is also his whole cnn crew was great. Jake Tapper is he's like that kid that would stand on the back wall, the wall, the the fight is going on. And then when you know, the losers on the ground to go where they go, ha, take that bully. And kick him. Yeah, he's got some good ones like this. It is time for Republicans to start
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praising Caesar and preparing to bury him boasts.
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What else did he have here?
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He and his offspring, his spawn
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are out
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there putting out tweets that are just you know, that they're having his spawn. I love that. He's taking it to a whole new level as a serious journalist. It's really, really good. Um, he NBC, of course, you know, it was interesting to see how Trump came out after Biden on election night. And, you know, when he said, Hey, this is not over. But what did NBC do when the press the president came out? This was his counter speech to a kind of pre victory speech without without concession from Joe Biden, and here's what NBC did.
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I said, What happened to the election? It's
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off. And we have all these announcers saying, what happened? And then they said, Oh, because you know what happened? They knew they couldn't win.
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So they said, Let's go to court. And did I predict this noon? Did I say this? I've been saying this from the day I heard, they were gonna send out 10s of millions of dollars
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to the president speaking at the White House. So we got a dip in here, because there have been several statements that are just frankly, not true. The President's lower than going through some of the states stating that he has prevailed in those states, they mean, Georgia saying they're winning Georgia, or they won Georgia, there's no way they'll catch us that they're winning Pennsylvania, won Michigan. The fact of the matter is those states have not come close to counting all of their vote. They're still outstanding vote. Do we have a moment to go to check? We'll keep our ears on this and promising Oh, yeah. I mean, news events weren't but just Can you
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as news events warrant, the incumbent president is is contesting what the what his challengers saying and it has to be something newsworthy. We'll just talk over this in fact check in real time with no evidence.
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Why it is that there's it's not possible for anyone to say they've won in this particular state.
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So what we have here, first of all,
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to 1.9 million votes have not so I just found that a disservice to their viewers, quite honestly.
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I'm
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not know right? Not to their What am I say? Why am I even thinking that way? It's just service to their viewers. What their viewers need. john brennan reappeared. Of course, he's back on the scene. He's back out of hiding now that he feels a little bolder. john brennan, former CIA chief under Obama, and definitely involved in some shenanigans somehow. And he's an NBC analyst, and he came on the show on the panel with Nicole Wallace. And I just love how he characterizes this wind by Joe Biden.
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First, your reaction to what
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would appear to be joe biden's inevitable
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victory here?
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Well, I think Joe Biden has demonstrated that he is ready to be president because he has been very presidential, in terms of his poise
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in terms of his patriotism and professionalism, as we still await the official results of the election. He He's ready, because he looks
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apart. So I
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am very confident that Joe Biden is going to be inaugurated in January.
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But I am concerned about what
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may happen in the next 10 weeks, as Donald Trump refuses to recognize
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knowledge, the will of the American people
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who Yes, this is where it starts to get very hairy. And Brennan is here on the scene to tell you that. Boy, it's not looking good. You know, he still has control of the institutions.
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Do you think this scenario where we once again say, Oh, the institutions will hold the very ones that Donald Trump has really vandalized and ransacked? Do you think it is up to the FBI in the department?
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What some, you know, hey,
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ransack the FBI. This what he just said, Let's
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listen to get vandalized and ransacked do you think?
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Let's go back. That's funny.
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Oh, hold the very ones
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that Donald Trump has really vandalized and ransacked
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FBI and the Department of Homeland Security to tell them you know, hey, pal, you're trespassing. It's time ago.
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Oh, that's exactly what department. security's gonna. We know you're in there, you're trespassing.
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I think they will, they'll
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try to do that. But I wouldn't be surprised if he decides to sack Christopher rea for as
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well as maybe Gina haspel at CIA, and to install people who are going to try to do his bidding for him.
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And so that's why I do believe this is a very dangerous time, because as your previous guests have said, No, Donald Trump is
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not used to losing at all, and he's going to do everything possible. And he still retains the powers of
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the presidency until noon on January 20. And so he can do a lot of damage domestically, as well as internationally before he is forced to leave office because he will no longer have the authority to order anybody around after January 20th.
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Such insight from Mr. Brennan fantastic. Some people showed up after months of absence on the on the networks, this was on ABC. And they had they had advice for the incoming president that rahm emanuel from the from the Chicago Crime tactics family came in to, to say exactly what Joe Biden and Kamala Harris should tell everybody who is working in retail,
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and there's going to be people like at JC Penney and other retail those jobs aren't coming back,
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give them the tools six months, you're
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gonna become a computer coder will pay for it. And you'll
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get millions of people to sign up for this.
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Give him give him six months. teach how to code and we'll pay for it. It's fantastic.
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Give him the tools six months you're gonna become a computer coder will pay for it.
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Give them the tools you get. Here's your army,
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this many computer coders.
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We do we need coders. We need more coders? Yes, of course we do.
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This is the big lie. I wish people would like realize what a big lie the whole girls can code. You can code weekend code. People get fired from their job didn't go code. This is a malarkey. And I did say it. I'm going to use some of the satanic terms once in a
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while. It's okay. I have my garlic on. So not a problem. Well, let's just go back and finish this clip. It's short, but it is beautiful. It's just beautiful.
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Most jobs aren't coming back, give them the tools six months, you're gonna become a computer coder,
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we'll pay for it. And you'll get millions of people to sign up for that they are not.
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And we need to give them a lifeline to what's the next chapter?
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Well, if you remember, when Chicago under rahm emanuel got rid of closed down all the public schools and brought in the charter schools. They were paid for. And I could I presume are continued to be paid for by Cisco. And they had this whole pipeline you remember they were built near the Cisco, the Cisco factory where the fresh coders could go straight from school into Cisco. Do you remember that any
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of that?
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vaguely and I think I kind of messed it up in my brain to think that they're gonna go straight from coding school to prison.
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Yes,
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well Chicago.
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It's one of two paths straight to prison, or straight to Cisco to go code. Either one. We are very fortunate that the lucky moment that Kamala Harris found out that she was the vice president elect, according to the media was caught on tape. This is very, very lucky moment as she's talking to Joe.
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You're gonna be the next president of the United States.
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Yes, of course, he's drunk. And she's. As an aside, if Biden and Harris are inaugurated, she's gonna be great for the show. You know, she's
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gonna be great for the show's income.
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Oh, well, you got to stop saying that. So what? It's what it is. I
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mean, you So what? no income no show.
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Well, that's exactly right. There's they're destroying institutions all around the world, including the dough.
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We'll get it we will get to do a go pack door roll game. Oh, you mean like shed the clip at the ready?
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A
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drunk or not drunk?
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we've we've done this with her a couple times.
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If you play the old clip, it's a little classic.
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Okay, let me see. No, that's not it. I I you know, I really don't remember which one it is. No, it's not it should be drunk or not. Yeah. Do you know how many drunk or not drunk there are here? But I actually don't see a drunk or not drunk. kinkel drunk? Well, we'll find it and we'll start using it. Yeah, she seems like she's plastered half the time nowadays. I think she knows she's in over her head and she's gonna get the job as President. And it's going to be a disaster. I already saw. See, where was this? It was I have
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this scenario, I can re express it.
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Well, okay. Let's hear the scenario.
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The scenario is they get in Biden has got Parkinson's and other issues that give him the 25th amendment treatment, which can lead go along with because she has to be president. She did run for the so she wanted to be president. So now she can be president. She becomes president. She's a fuckup. And meanwhile, you get to the midterm elections. This all happens before 2022. The Republicans just kick ass because of the mess that the Democrats have created. They win the house easily. And they add to the Senate, maybe to the point where they have 60 seats. They impeach camela Yeah. And they get the votes and kick her out and put in this the Speaker of the House, which will be a Republican, which would probably be McCarthy character.
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She's dead womb dead woman walking.
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That's a lot of Republicans. That scenario, by the way has been, it's not my idea. That is a republican scenario that some people are muttered about. That's why they kind of hope Trump does get kicked out because then they can really kick some ass. And Trump has already done his job. He's got his three Supreme Court nominees, a million federal judges, that he brought attention to China, nobody cared about that, including Biden, until now. He brought attention to the border problems. And he's all he needed to do because he was he was kind of kind of sloppy in the office, he couldn't play the game, right? They were out to get him and the media was just so united against them. He also brought attention to the media. He's the one who really popularized the idea of fake news. He's done his job, he can now go off, I think, and start a news network to compete with Fox because fox is sold out because of James Murdoch and his wife, that's when it started. And she's like a big Hillary's bot. And they ended the whole operation is going down the tubes, because just becoming another MSNBC, they can bring out in Tucker and Laura Ingraham pair of Frau Ingraham can come over maybe even hannity who doesn't really matter, because he can do whatever he wants, and then start a new network with somebody with with the help of Burnett, it Burnett could be the new roger ailes, and they can get this thing going off the ground and become, you know, media moguls, I think that would be the way to go. Okay, so that that is definitely a scenario. Which makes a lot of sense. And if you look at the president, a, you know, to me, he looks kind of like a man defeated. Maybe he's just tired. I can imagine I'm tired from just the partying last night. And that wasn't me party. Let me just read the statement that the campaign put out. Just so we know. Because, you know, this is obviously not over fat ladies not in yet. And I think it's probably useful to understand similar scenarios and then the process and then I want to talk about what's being looked at Regarding voter fraud, so the process is actually very convoluted. There's so many different things that that can happen. But maybe we'll go back to what happened in 2000, which I thought was very similar to this where there were discrepancies in the votes. And then they had to go down and stop everything. And let's, you know, check out if these votes for real if they were hanging chads or dimples, and that was kind of the focus of it all. But john, you the Hoover Institution, and I think he was in the Department of Justice during the Bush years. He's the guy who wrote the memo that said, tortures, okay, Ah,
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yes. Excellent. That's,
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that's actually a Cal Professor full plate.
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Well, no, but it's Well, right now. He's at the Hoover Institution. I don't know if he's still teaching a cow. Anyway, so he explains what happened in Florida 2000, which is just I think it's good. Good to hear, just to understand, because it's not exactly what's happening here.
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A Florida and its electoral votes, were the deciding factor. Without Florida, neither bush nor Gore, could get a majority the Electoral College. Right. And so the problem was that in several of the counties in Florida, because Florida, like most states dry gives the responsibility to conducting the elections and counting the votes to counties. Down at that level, there were many ballots, which were argue arguably, we're not valid, because people had not actually chosen a candidate for president. Or and this was the day of the hanging Chad, this was a day when you would punch a hole in the ballot, some of the ballots, people had not punched a hole all the way through for the President. And they might have just made a little dimple where the Chad was hanging enough. And then there were arguments that people make mistakes on the bounce, because Ralph Nader had also was running for president. And you saw strangely high vote totals for Nader and some of the counties. The election was already close. And in the range where you would have an automatic recount that recount as the original vote did fell for President Bush. But then the Florida courts intervened, the Florida State courts intervened. And they started to require more recounts, and they started to push the deadline back for the choice of the electors as they fought more and more counties in Florida might have made mistakes any judge to vote legitimate or the way they count a vote. And it would have gone on except the US Supreme Court eventually intervened and stopped the Florida courts from ordering more recounts. And so then the original win for George W. Bush was allowed to go forward, those electors were allowed to be picked and then their votes could go to Washington DC for the final electoral vote count.
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Now it was not as information informationally aware back in the 2000s, I was doing other things. But man, that's not the way I remembered at all. I thought, Oh, you know, they went back, they counted, they figured out what was a vote or wasn't a vote. This was a Chad, that was good. That wasn't and then that had nothing to do with it. The Supreme Court stepped in and said, Now you got to stop doing that. Just stop it. And I'm not I would have to look at to see what grounds but they basically went back to the original. The original Tally. I should mention, which is the act that the mood long after the fact that the documents are still available in the Miami Herald are kind of a left leaning typical. Yeah, newspaper, went back and did to count themselves with using a team of people two months. And they came to the conclusion that bush did when this was brought up on the c span show a couple of times. And once in front of two been the Yeah, we know to been the perv. And he said, I don't think that's true, because he was in denial and all the democrats were in denial to this day. And Al Gore still goes, when he gives a presentation says Hi, I'm your should have been president. What to do? He does. Right. Well, I think this election is going to go all the way to the Supreme Court. And here's the statement from the Trump campaign beginning Monday our campaign will start prosecuting our case in court. To ensure election laws are fully upheld and the rightful winner is seated the American people are entitled to honest election. That means counting all legal ballots. This is now this is the key difference between the two parties. One says count all the ballots and the other says count all the legal ballots. In fact it even says after this not counting any illegal ballots. This is the only way to ensure the public has full confidence in our election. It remains shocking that the Biden campaign refuses to agree with this basic principle. And once ballots counted, even if they are fraudulent, manufactured or cast by ineligible or deceased voters, only a party engaged in wrongdoing could unlawfully keep observers out of the courtroom and then fight in court to block their access. So what is Biden hiding? I will not rest until the American people have the honest vote count. They deserve that democracy wants. So I don't think Joe Biden is hiding anything. He really has. He's the one guy who has nothing to hide. There's nothing there. There's nothing to hide. He's not hiding anything. But he has some clips about this. Oh, hold on. I'd like to play the process clip of what's going to happen now. Okay, yep. This is a junk professor, adjunct professor for the Quinnipiac University, john, Pontius young professor was the right word.
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JOHN tabea, by the Safe Harbor day, which I think this year is December 8, or ninth, every state has to decide, and it has to certify their vote who won their state. And then their electoral votes have to be cast by the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December, which I believe is the is the 14th. If that doesn't happen, and things aren't resolved, but 14, then then that then it really gets messy and all hell breaks loose, because at that point, and I don't want to give a law school class here. But at that point, the legislature's of all of these disputed state states ostensibly have the right to then award the electoral votes to the candidate that they want to. So the way it works is by the 14th. If there's not a decision by then what happens is the right to vote. In December, I'm sorry, the right to vote, people think it says constitutional right to vote. But really, originally, each state legislature used to be the ones that would award the electoral votes to the candidate that they selected. Over the years over the last 200 some odd years, each state by stat, their own statutes have awarded that the right let's say to the to the citizens to have an election day and then decide which candidate should get award electoral votes. However, the right is called a plenary right meaning each state legislature technically has the right to sort of pull the right to vote back into their state legislature, and then decide which candidate they want to award the votes to now it really gets dicey when you have a state that has, let's say, a Republican legislature, majority legislature and a Democrat, Governor, and I don't even know what happens, then I don't know that anybody can give you a definitive answer and nothing happens. And nothing is decided by Election Day or Inauguration Day and into January, then that's when the other doomsday scenario kicks in, where it goes to the House of Representatives. And you're right, each state that has only one vote.
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So it's always fun to hear an adjunct professor saying he has no idea what happens then. But it seems clear to me.
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And I'd like you guys, there are processes in place.
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This is going to the Supreme Court and it's going to be decided based upon the will will people read it as the modern version of the constitution the living document that has to morph whereas back when the Second Amendment was brought in, people used muskets and black powder. Or
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by the way, that argument when somebody brings that argument, make sure to mess you can also have a cannon and a real cannon in your front yard and you could shoot it.
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So it's going to come down to and that would be Amy Coney Barrett, how is she she's a constitutionalist and originalist, I think they call it so it will, it will come down to that. And it the fat lady is not in the building, it's going to be very interesting, because, well, let's put it this way. And I know you want to play some clips, I do want to come back around to all these allegations of fraud and a lot of the rumors and things that have been discussed a lot before even do that. I want to mention that if people want to when you as you listen to the news, there's not a newscaster that does not preface anything Trump has to say about fraud without saying on founded on belief without ever
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really do not want to present Trump's side of it. They want to they just continue to hound him about unfounded accusations of fraud. You know, I mean, it's just unbelievable. Listen to these newsreaders.
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Well, then then there was what they are their news readers. They're not journalists, they're news readers. So when a news reader says without evidence, it's like okay, fine, whatever. It's okay. Now, there are two things that we're doing the rounds and we discussed them both on Thursday. Any
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accusation just at this at this level is always going to be without physicals. I don't know what evidence they want except for the fact that There's a lot of anomalies that don't make any sense. That's kind of evidence circumstantial. But anyway, but you know, that's just what they're doing it the whole thing's been a setup, it seems to me.
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But there may be a couple setups. And just to get to this now, there were two theories, rumors, pieces of news floating around about how if voter fraud was being committed if it was being detected if it was being followed if it was being tracked, and and we mentioned both of them. And the first one is the tract ballots. And they're the involvement of Department of Homeland Security in printing these ballots with special watermarks, which varied from isotopes to other types of things that I've heard. And so the first thing I'd like to do is play this video from the SIS director. This is the this is the the outfit that in the government that is responsible for the safety of the elections, and he posted quite a quite a long video, so just grabbed the pertinent first part of it and explains exactly what they did. Hi,
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I'm Chris Krebs with the cybersecurity and infrastructure security agency. The last several years, we've been working with election officials across the country to ensure that the 2020 election is as secure as possible. We're now in the final stretch of the election, and 10s of millions of voters have already cast their votes free from foreign interference, we remain confident that no foreign cyber actor can change your vote. And we still believe that it would be incredibly difficult for them to change the outcome of an election at the national level. But that doesn't mean various actors won't try to introduce chaos in our elections. It makes sensational claims that overstate their capabilities. In fact, the days and weeks just before and after election day are the perfect time for our adversaries to launch efforts intended to undermine your confidence in the integrity the electoral process. Cyber actors can do this by taking advantage of the fact that sometimes it's not clear how technology is used.
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For starters,
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election officials use computers to improve both your ability to vote and the accuracy of the vote itself. But in doing so, election officials understand that these systems aren't perfect. And sometimes things break malfunction or could even be hacked.
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All right. So yeah, everything's all good. No mention of any printing or tracking of the ballots. And what I had heard from one of our military intelligence people, was that there was some tracking mechanism in place. Now, as the show ended, it became a little more clear what the full story was. And Steve Botanic, I guess he went on info wars, or maybe multiple places. And he started talking about this exact same thing that we had talked about. But what blew me away is that it wasn't just some watermarking or tracking. But the story goes, it's the Q Fs blockchain did include GPS tracking. And it was activated, you know, at four o'clock in the morning, when when the the phony ballad started coming in. Now, the reason the first of all, for Steve Botanic, he staked his reputation on this to me and an email because I said, Qf s blockchain. Because I know all about the story of the Q Fs blockchain because this is part of what the Fed now real time payment system is supposedly going to be. We've talked about it on the show. It's the quantum financial system, it has off world servers. I mean, you laughed in my face about it now, fed now is actually happening. But somehow this Q Fs blockchain came into this story. And that this financial network that is supposedly going to circumvent all existing networks will be pegged on gold will be money, or whatever the story is, and there's multiple and there are people, john who swear their life to me that this is true. Yeah, I mean, really, I can
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I just throw one little thing in there. Yeah, sure. 10,000 sealed indictments,
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right. Well, it's all it's all part of the same thing. Now. But But Channing he really in an email to me staked his reputation on it. In some personal mention.
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I will mention me me somehow. I guess on face bag. This pathetic video has been floating around. It's got everybody a titter. Mm hmm. And she's called me up. What is this?
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Did she say?
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Who is this Steve pike Hi. Steve Pacheco is like a friend of the shows. It's just again she goes on. She said, so this thing was the staying and they're gonna bust all these people, I think Yeah. Okay. Anyway, you know, my, this would be my position. Yeah, no, I understand.
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Yeah. So for me, it's, it's very complicated because I
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want to hear more about what he said to you.
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He's, he's, he brought this to a very personal level, which I'm not going to discuss. But he, you know, I was like, I will never talk to him again. If this turns out to be bogus. That's that's the level of it, you know, it's like a serious thing. Now, we'd already done the show so but this Q Fs I'm like, No, no, no, it's it's a hard enough for me to get my head around q Fs as the replacement for real time transactions and somehow XRP ripple alt coin has something to do with it. That's hard enough, but Okay, I'll go along but then the same system I think it's very possible because what is the one thing that is consistent amongst the financial system this tracking system and even people who would frequently listen to Steve botanic his cue the letter Q? So this may just be maybe we haven't figured out like like, hey you q idiots. You're gonna sit around and wait for this. And the next thing that's circled around was this is this is my favorite. a press release, which now I can't share this this will eventually go on the AP is working as the way it's shared, verified Department of Homeland Security. DHS announces election audit sting after contentious US election sparks confusion and outrage from election skeptics. I look at that headline and right away Go Nope, nope. No press release ever written like that? would you would you agree?
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I I'm not sure that I would or wouldn't let you're gonna have to read it and I have to think about it. here's here's the first here's the print now you're going to have the you're gonna read just a headline that says all caps I would assume.
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No, but it is emboldened.
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It's not in all caps. No, that's that's checkmark, one. That's easy press release. So
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I'll just read the first paragraph.
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Let me know I want to read the I want you to read me the headline.
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Okay, here it comes to headline. This is the headline DHS announces election audit sting. And by the way, each word is capitalized.
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Does that make one okay?
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No, that's fine. I can see that.
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DHS announces election audit sting after contentious, contentious US election sparks confusion and outrage from election skeptics. There's no way you put the word election in a headline three times.
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Well, you could if you're if you're a lousy PR person, I can see that being a possibility. But using the word skeptics in the headline is pretty, pretty. sketchy, sketchy. Okay, but let's just assume that okay, read me the first paragraph.
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All right, in a stunning turn of events,
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okay.
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That's my favorite part.
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So I have little faith in this I want to believe because it's a beautiful story. Justice, I want to believe that q s is a real thing. And the gold standard is gonna save us and we're all we're all going to live. I want to believe it all. But so far, there's too much queue circling around. First time, I have to say this the first time he listened to Joe digenova. And this would include me because going back a few years. Sure. It's just everything just sounds right. Like the guy's in on it. Yeah, he knows what's going on. It's after a while you kind of get i think that i think pathogenic has just been been hoaxed. You know, it's okay for people to be hoax. But the way he presented this, john was I wasn't allowed to talk about it. I've been given the Go ahead. So all you patriots can know about this and can can pass it along. So we'll be ready. Okay, but either, and I think even went so far as to say you're not hearing the president right now. This is the art of war. He's drawing everybody out. Let everybody show their true face, which of course is exactly what is happening. That is true. We're seeing the media's true face. We're seeing an entire generation who are a hell bent on retribution. Just I'm going to stomp you in the face you Nazi bitch. I mean, this is the kind of stuff that's going on. And you know, there's lists being made. But there is one. There is one other thing that has, I think quite a lot of credibility, namely for the people who are standing up and saying they believe something thing is going on with this. And this revolves around the Dominion voting systems. We've we have covered voting systems since the show started the 2008 election at the time, that was Diebold and Mitt Romney's company old D bolt, Diebold owned all a part of it, the Dominion system. And there's quite a lot of information on this. It's a Canadian system, first of all, but they have been rejected in multiple multiple states, namely Texas, rejected at five times. And if you want, there's all the links in the in the show notes. And it was mainly here, democracy sweet five dot five dash a system. This is from Texas, and corresponding hardware devices do not meet the standards for certification, as prescribed by section 120 201 of the Texas election code, because it could be compromised too easily. Of course, we in these days, we just believe technology, we trust it. You know, it's like the answers come out whenever you ask for it. But it does seem like there were some votes that changed midstream. And I'm not just this is not necessarily new balance showing up but actual votes. And I think there was in one county and this it was a YouTube video someone's showing it where the the vote went up for the democrat and if you look at the actual vote tally, they were deducted from
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public Yeah, I just took it off the air real fast. This guy that was good. He did a frame by frame and he saw that was
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that was pretty good. It's
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a great video.
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So now they're the irregularities are not disputed. This is let me see. This is Kathy, What is her name now? I think she is the secretary of the Commonwealth. p a,
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hey, we go.
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Yeah, in Lancaster County on election night. Specifically, it was showing results for mail and balance that was well above
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the amount of return and the amount requested. Can you explain how that happened?
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No, I can't remember Lancaster County specifically, what I can tell you is that some of the counties the way so and Lancaster I'm thinking it probably had to do so they're one of I think the two counties that had hard path hard voting systems. Some of each voting system vendor has the way they translate with the data has worked slightly differently. And as you know, this dashboards
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that right there already has cause for concern for me the different ways they convert the data, what
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some of each voting system vendor has the way they translate with the data
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translate, okay, sure, this data translating going on, ladies and gentlemen, something was lost in translation has
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worked slightly differently. And as you know, this dashboard, and even the website, it's the first year that we broke out provisional ballots mail in ballots and in person. So some of the reporting, if the county's files were not done perfectly, it might merge to the categories that might put things in the wrong category. So we've been working on all those quirks or snuffers. was off works a while but that is now corrected one man, one vote explain what was going on in Lancaster. There it's just been it's most of it has been the county the way they sent us the files. The data was just not in the right place, basically. Yeah, that's
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exactly what we're seeing the data was not in the right place. It might have been in the wrong column. She has no idea what she's talking about. There's there's since the iPhone, there's been no technology reporting. There's not a single technologist who is actually doing a good job of looking at how this works. And when you hear the words quirk translation, mis sorted, put in the wrong place basically on the dashboard. That's some great a bullshit. But it gets worse. Because this also happened in Michigan. Here's the republican chair.
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If all this wasn't enough in Antrim County. ballots were counted for democrats that were meant for republicans causing a 6000 votes swing against our candidates. The county clerk came forward and said, tabulating software glitched X
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sub about the clicks.
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If you have computer problems, I feel bad for you. So I got 99 problems so the glitchy one
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got 99 glitches
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Go see on there, we'll Yeah. All right, there it is. That's my favorite pet peeve of the past decade, the term glitched. At the term glitch, it's acceptable all of a sudden, and we're gonna allow something as important as election to be determined by whether we look at a glitch or not
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6000 votes swing against our candidates. The county clerk came forward and said, tabulating software glitched and caused a miscalculation of the votes. Since then, we have now discovered that 47 counties use this same software in the same capacity. Antrim county had to hand count all of the ballots, and these counties that use this software need to closely examine their results for similar discrepancies. The people of Michigan deserve a transparent and open process.
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So I don't really care too much about the what ballots were sent in late what state legislature did or did not change the rules that can all be fought in court, I have no experience or understanding of that. I do know a little bit about computer systems. And this is this is bullcrap. This is this, this removes all integrity in revolving around this particular system, or all the systems in general. Now, they say that Texas rejected these systems, but the one that I voted on looks a hell of a lot like a Dominion voting system where it spits out your, your printed card, and then you take the card over and you push it into the other machine, and then it looks like your ballot or whatever that piece of that long piece of paper is goes into the trash bin. That's obvious, it's obvious that that's where something can go wrong. Because you know, you're optically reading the votes from one machine to the other. It's like, it's the worst, it's an airbridge. But it had no idea if that's trustworthy. So enter. The second thing we talked about this concept of there being a system that the US government has called hammer, in which they can pretty much get into every network and snoop on anything they want to, which I guess, would be possible, and why not? And the secondary system called scorecard, which is a system that is intended to change votes in some or many or all voting systems. And apparently, we've used this against adversaries. Maybe Ukraine was an example. This was presented by retired general of the Air Force McCain McInerney, McInerney. We played that clip on the last show as well. Easy, just an old coot retired general, is there really something to it? Well, when Sidney Powell gets involved and starts talking this exact same language, and I believe she could know if there was such a system, seeing us for the past several years, she is represented general Mike Flynn, who would know I presume as a he was going to be the national security adviser. He knew a lot of DEA, he was he was head of Defense Intelligence Agency. He would know if these systems existed in Sidney Powell for her to stake her reputation on this, that was very meaningful. This is someone my wife likes, and she's read her books. And and she is, by many claims a she's one of the best legal minds that we have right now. And she's young. And here's what she said on the lou dobbs show, Fox Business News, no one watches it, but we clipped it for you. Let's go back to hammer and scorecard Are those the names that you just use for those programs? What's being done about it? And how broadly were they used by vote counters? in the hall a second, make sure I got the right one here. This is the one that we just heard from john Solomon was, indeed as being diligent is involved in we all hope he is exactly right. me your thoughts first about the knowledge now that the Justice Department is involved in this review of the election? Well, I'm
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delighted to hear that I think there any number of things they need to investigate, including the likelihood that 3% of the vote total was changed in the pre election voting ballots that were collected digitally. By using the hammer program and a software program called scorecard that would have amounted to a massive change in the vote that would have gone across the country and explains a lot of what we're seeing. In addition, they ran an algorithm to calculate votes they might need to come up with for Mr. Biden in specific areas. I think that explains what happened in Michigan, where the computer glitch resulted in a change of vote. About 5500 in favor of President Trump just in one of 47 districts, all those districts need to be checked for that same quote, software glitch and quote, that would change the result in Michigan dramatically. The same thing is happening in other states we've had hundreds of thousands of ballots mysteriously appear for solely for Mr. Biden, which is statistically impossible as a matter of mathematics. It can all be documented, we are putting it into materials that we will file in federal court, and we need to seek relief in multiple states to enjoin the certification of any selection results.
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So that's all being entered on Monday, this interests me, because this is something that we can actually look at, there's going to be some kind of forensics that can be done. It is not so much the legislative process or when votes count, or they don't count. Just the fact we need to know if our systems work, that's what I'm concerned about. All the other stuff is noise. I mean, he just what are you gonna do about it? This was a very different election with all kinds of crazy new imposed rules. Hopefully, that won't happen again. And many people may have seen this one clip, but Sidney Powell went on and she doubled down on this. Let's go back to hammer and scorecard Are those the names that you just use, stop the hammering for those programs, what's being done about it, and how broadly were they used by vote counters in various states
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that I think they were very broadly used, but but not by the vote counters. They were used by the forces and the democratic operatives that had access to these programs, through the government access points that they have, and used illegally to change votes in this country. It's got to be investigated probably by the President's most trusted military intelligence officials who can get into the system and see what was done. But we do have some evidence that that is exactly what happened. And they've used it against other entities and other countries. It's just been turned recently against our own citizens here to change election results. It's absolutely appalling that that can be done. And whether he has called computer glitches or something else, somebody has actually gone into the system and changed voting results.
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I don't understand why she doesn't take the easy way out and just say it must have been the Russians. I mean, that would have been the obvious one, that's what would have happened if the shoe was on the other foot. And she's filing and this is going to go to court as well. What can we do about it? Because the Department of Justice? I mean, if there's evidence of that program, why not just turn it over to the Justice Department and say, let's go to the courts and say this has got to stop now, here is the way in which it was done.
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Well, we've been trying to get their attention, and we're going to try even harder, and we'll have to put it in the federal lawsuit, apparently, and get as much of it out as we possibly can. We have some excellent witnesses on the issue. But this is coup 5.0. Lou, I mean, there was no reason to think that the democratic hundreds of millions of dollars, creating the Russia hoax, the steel dossier, taking us through a special counsel operation for two years, trying an impeachment hoax, the apocalypse hoax, the obstruction hoax, wouldn't go so far as to create every means of voter fraud they could come up with to steal this election. That's exactly what happens. The president must fight back now in every way, shape, or form. We cannot let this republic be stolen by the democratic operatives who want to destroy the Republic and make it a socialist country where they continue to line their pockets with these backdoor global deals like the Biden laptop exposes
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Oh, yes. So Sydney puts
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her
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Sydney puts her neck on the line for that. That's,
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that's your neck on the loop on the Fox Business Line. I mean, you said at the beginning. More people listen to the no agenda show. They listen to Fox Business.
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We basically doubled Fox's ratings this morning. And we're very proud of that. You know, when she when she mentioned, I know I have some clips I wanted to play kind of jumped a gun here and play something else. Because what she mentioned there about well, maybe should do the justice department should do something. I want to play something I have a whole series of these because for me the useful idiots are as I have it on here. The use file Udi, it's Yes. It's easy for me to look at defined it years later.
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You said you Well, actually. Yeah, I happen to give it a look. Just a little hint here what I, I always intend to go back and correct the typos in the titles and you never do. I don't know why
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that's okay. Because now Now I'll actually remember use file Ruby. It's okay. I want you to play. These are considered to somewhat disgusting clips, and it doesn't bring forth the Justice Department and media. It just brings into play a bunch of things that don't make sense to me, including the ability of Trump to declassify things. This is a story you've not heard anywhere and is this is Matt Taibbi who uncovered it, but didn't uncover it apparently was right there for anyone. It just happened recently, but nobody cares. This is the clip useful idiots on Moeller, empty one,
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I'm gonna bring this up. It's a non election related thing. But I just felt like it had to be brought up because it just didn't make the news, basically, which was the declassification of a piece of the Moller investigation, which had some pretty significant headlines in it. The the main one being basically that they never had any evidence of a conspiracy involving WikiLeaks. So so the Muller report says, with respect to WikiLeaks and Assange, this office determined the admissible evidence to be insufficient, on both the agreement and knowledge prongs. Although a conspiracy is often inferred from the circumstances, the lack of visibility into the contents of these communications would hinder the offices ability to prove that Wikileaks is aware of and intended to join the criminal venture comprised of the Gru hackers, similar problems of proof existed as to knowledge and absence sufficient evidence of such knowledge. The government could not prove that WikiLeaks or Assange joined an ongoing hacking conspiracy, intended to further or facilitate additional computer intrusions. And then they went and they basically repeated the process. And when they talked about Roger stone, and they said stones actions would thus be consistent with, among other things, a belief that he was aiding in the dissemination of the fruits of an already completed hacking operation perpetrated by a third party. And just so that people understand what what what all this means, it just means that Muller investigated all this stuff, and did not find any evidence that either Wikileaks had any kind of floor knowledge of the hacking, or that stone had any kind of foreknowledge of anything. past the point, you know, when the hacking was actually going on?
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Yeah, surprise, surprise.
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Yeah, he further complained in part two of this clip where he bitches about the media, there's not one mention of this story, which is an important story. Of course, it comes out Now an important story, because you think is stone being, you know, railroaded and CNN being there to film him in? jail?
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How long has this been declassified?
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A couple of days. Okay. And here play the second part,
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so much to be frustrated about with all of this. But the that little story about the declassification of the Muller thing is so frustrating, because it kept alive. It kept this that little portion of the conspiracy theory kept this story alive for years. And no, there was no acknowledgement of it whatsoever when it came out. It didn't make it It didn't make any any news stories at all. So So here we're talking about it. And let me guess right
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after that, these co hosts said in other news today, his co host is Katie helper and Ashish chia, just, I have a bunch of clips for later. I mean, she is just a Trump hater. And it's just that she's I don't even know why she's on the show. He, I mean, he is digs up a lot of good stuff. And he's always befuddled by the fact he doesn't seem to put two and two together regarding who's behind it all because he's like a progressive. But yeah, but this little story, I thought was a good example. What it Why did they sit on it before declassify? Why was it classified in the first place? So when they sent out the molar report, they only can we have we can't let because we're gonna let names out. We can't do this. So they kept a lot of stuff classified. In the report now that they're kind of putting it out there. It's already it's water under the bridge is live but who's putting it out there the president declassified it and it's just I mean what where does this release come from? Is that from?
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I don't know. If we go to the justice department can probably find it on there. Now. I'll have to dig around to find out where I could see it was classic is is that nobody gives a crap.
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I do have one just quickie anecdotal of voter fraud clip, which I thought was interesting. And this is the the woman whose dog voted in the election. This, this is a good story.
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Okay, so I'm Gemma, as everybody on my my group knows, and I was just shopping in a unknown hardware store. And I happen to run into the lovely was it Alyssa? Yes, Alyssa and I happen to tell her my vote hasn't been counted. And what did you just tell me?
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My dog voted in the 2020 election?
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And how did you find this out?
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I got an email. Um, so now she has her microchip number as her social security. I went to the voting place, you know, looked under her name and everything. told them that her social security number and she had
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already voted. Can you tell everybody a little bit about why your dog would be registered to vote? She is a service dog. Correct. She's
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registered service dog through the Santa Cruz County Police Department in Cumbria.
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And so now she's considered she's been she labeled a human. Yeah,
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yeah. So her dog.
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So her dog was because her dog is a service dog and was listed as a student at Cabrillo College. Correct. Her dog was listed as a human registered to vote. So you you called them right and Oregon contacted
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them. Your dog got a voter registration and they said What did they say? They said that she
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had already voted.
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Dogs.
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We knew it was happening. They finally taken over. They're voting now in our elections.
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The dogs dog has already
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seems a little sketchy that a social security number would be the same as a RFID tag number or whatever. But it wouldn't surprise me nothing surprised story. It's
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a good story.
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It's a great step. That would be almost clipping the day worthy but you already be nailed it too early. You kind of blew I blew it. But anyway, so here's my few clips. I got Rudy, I got a little Giuliani clip here where he says pressure. Did a press conference on Yeah, nobody covered it. Yeah, no. He also was going a little nuts. I mean, I was 40 minutes. And I had seen some clips where you say the media doesn't that doesn't elect her. And it was just I couldn't find anything good. That was just a short minute. Yeah.
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Hold on. So Rudy. Yeah, hold on, I'm just recalibrating Rudy, here we go.
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Republican inspectors showed up. They expected to inspect, like they do for absentee ballots. And they were uniformly kept out. They got to see nothing. And remember, Atlanta had to do the same thing you had to do. They had to catch Biden up because on election night he had lost and he was down by a very good margin would only
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85% to go.
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Something very similar happened in Michigan,
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Wisconsin.
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Can't say Arizona. But in almost every state where President Trump had a lead, going into the end of election night, some of the leaves looking almost mathematically impossible to undo with the 5% 10% of the vote. It almost all of those this practice was followed. And I'm right now trying to find do we get to see any ballasts that we use for that purpose? If that's the case, then we have a massive nationwide lawsuit. So it could affect more than one state. But, but right now, the one that it definitely affects the state of Pennsylvania in a very, very big way. But it's not the only infirmity in this day. There are dead people voting, no question about it. We get any number of complaints of that. We have very serious problem with backdating of ballots, including for witnesses now who are testifying to that whether that becomes part of this lawsuit for something separate that isn't developed as fast as this as
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let's just look at this for a second.
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Well, by the way, I think it's appropriate for dead people to vote wouldn't Biden's on the ballot
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he's here all week. So this is not like we didn't know this was gonna happen. The President was talking about this. He said mailing ballots big fraud months ago now four months just months ago. He's been saying For months a month. So in the movie that is filmed Trump, there's only one way this can end that is positive for him. And then that is that he comes out with this huge presentation. And there's thousands of sealed indictments, and everything all has to blow in one go, because that's what's been promised.
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And it
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you know, that would be the ultimate into the movie. If if he's playing this in a in his typical reality television fashion, which he's very good at. And I still have an inkling in the back of my mind that says, Oh, my it still could happen. But it does not look that way. I mean, I've been around long enough and looked at I've been waiting for the I've been waiting a long time for the thousands of sealed indictments and many other things. But here is a true effect of what has taken place. And there's work to do as Americans, particularly with our children, not all a lot of them. This is a note from Patrick. He's a longtime no agenda listener. He's been listening for 10 years since he was 16. He says I'm not 26 year old millennial I live in Los Angeles. And he thought we might be interested in hearing about some recent experiences he's had over the last few weeks in response to her comments about the millennial hysteria and virtue signaling going on with the election. Yes, we didn't get any of any of that, obviously, because Joe Biden, image Biden and Kamala Harris one. While this hysteria is nothing new to any of us is becoming more pervasive and concerning even with the election outcome. A few weeks ago, my girlfriend of one year broke up with me because of my decision to vote for Trump. I'm not going to go into why I voted for him for brevity. But regardless, my vote doesn't matter. I live in California. The reason she cut ties with me, she claimed was because of her pursuit as lawyer and that our two belief systems simply can't morally coexist. In other words, dating a Trump supporter isn't cool, sexy, and God forbid your future attorney friends find out who she is dating. This is only one of three instances after the election this past Tuesday, I confess to another friend of mine that I voted for Trump. This friend was also shocked. I told her it's okay to have healthy disagreements and that we should prioritize pile politics before friendship. I was met with the following response. That's fine that you voted for Trump. I don't judge you for having a different opinion than me. But now that I know that, that we have fundamentally different opinions. This isn't a difference of opinion. This is systematically denying other human beings life and health and liberty. I can't overlook this and can't consider you a friend in the way I used to. This was a disappointment to producer Patrick who's says this friend has been a close friend for five years. Another response he says from a third friend, you and 70 million other people not only voted against basic human rights and equality, but you decided racism, homophobia, Islamophobia, transphobia, and misogynistic behavior wasn't a deal breaker inner president, quite frankly, I don't want anything to have to do with someone like that. Patrick continues always knew there was this level of hysteria, virtue signaling, but I see this evolving into something bigger and more concerning retribution. Even on social media. I'm seeing a lot of content from people my age questioning how society is planning on holding Trump supporters accountable insinuating that some sort of South African Truth and Reconciliation Commission for the US be resurrected be erected, erected. While this seems far fetched, it's already happening. Look at the Trump accountability project if you haven't, Yes, we have. I guess my overall point I'm trying to make is that even as Trump may be gone, Trump derangement syndrome doesn't seem like it's departing anytime soon. This is sad like it is but I think you've been spot on all along about children being oversold, socialized, and under informed. Take it from me a millennial. And he also donated to the show, he says we appreciate that.
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Yeah, that is a that the Trump derangement syndrome actually began long before Trump.
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That's the funny thing about it. And this has been a building thing. Trump just brought it to a head fast. That's another thing he accomplished, besides drawing attention to China and the border, but he also made this appear because it was it was festering and now it's now it's popped. Something you might say, but and so I it, yeah. And then and Scott Adams with his concept of they're going to come to trying to get to try to kill him because he supported Trump or he never really supported Trump. He just rationalized why Trump is was winning and and wins. But still, he's perceived as a Republican and I don't know But I think it's probably right. You should just find different friends each and find different friends there are people out there 70 million of them as a matter of fact, that are friendly. Go meetup, it's it's anyone and not everyone's like this. But it's it's a real concern. And, and I think that this is where we have, I mean, if anything, Joe Biden Kamala Harris, when which we'll know eventually in January it's really a win for the new media, what we used to call new media and that's big tech is that's it and and it's going to be more censorship or deep platforming. It's going to push a lot of interesting projects out to the edges either skewing of skewing just search results, to make you think a certain all kinds of stuff. So that's why it's very important for us to be around three clips of the chatterbox are returned to TV just to talk about this a little bit and bitch and moan and really not complain as much, but I kind of like the kind of some of the points she made because they fall in line with my thinking about the election. This is this is Kellyanne Conway, she's, she's another person who just reappeared all of a sudden, okay, I can't wish you're here. And I think it's in the first clip. She was she gets on a roll talking. She is one of the hardest people in the world to interrupt. And you'll get to hear the moment where the post tries to jump in. Yeah. And can't accomplish it. And she just keeps rolling along. But this is her talking about what's going on and why this is a rush rush to judgment is something fishy about it. She makes a lot of good points. But I think the point she makes the underlying point that she actually makes us I should have been the campaign manager again this year. I don't know why I wasn't. But I wasn't and they kind of fucked it up here and there. But here's what she has to say.
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Three years, they spent three years investigating the president impeaching the president. We can't wait three hours, three days, three weeks to get a result in our great sturdy democracy as to who the next President will be. I mean, what is the rush all of a sudden, I think the rushes there was no blue wave. There was no early night. There was no Democratic Progressive realignment. In fact, the democratic down ballot disasters carried all the way to the state legislators as well. The Democrats did not flip a single state legislature. And in fact, the republicans have flipped the House and Senate for example, in a place like New Hampshire where they have a republican governor so that's solid now. They did a similar thing in Montana, how long to the governorship the governor there lost the senate race. We have that. And of course, the Democratic governor and now we have the the legislature as well. So you know, the seven races that were either the seven races that flipped that are brand new republican pickups, as Leader McCarthy noted, as I tweeted yesterday, others are saying those were all carried by a woman, a minority candidate and or a veteran. And that means the candidate recruitment, the republicans were doing their message that that really carried them forward. And nobody was paying attention that instead all these phony national polls were shoved down our throats. Biden is up by 10. Biden's up by 12. Biden's up by 15. Do you know when I took over as campaign manager in 2016? We did zero Let me repeat the number zero national polls from that point forward. They're not relevant. They tell you trends that don't dig into the electoral college map. electability, I can tell you whether you can or can't win is outdated. That's why republican lost the presidential races for years. Electoral College is how you do or don't win.
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She's unbelievable.
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Yeah,
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she's always been this way. You
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talk about her daughter. She talked about her daughter how her daughter is going to
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face her not daughter is very, very ill screwed up and creepy. Yeah. Okay, let her continue on with this. This tirade is pretty good.
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I said to clear chris wallace on January 29 2017. I was on his Fox News Sunday show we'd only been here less than 10 days. And he asked me a question about he said, Chris, not a single person has lost his or her job who was chronically wrong about this election in 2016. I predict it's not going to happen again after 2020. Nobody cares and nobody wants to cure this problem. If this were a real business, the C suite would be cleaned out the shareholders would revolt and the consumers would vote with their feet they'd go elsewhere. But these polls weren't they weren't scientific evidence, evidentiary measures of what was going to happen there wishful thinking. And here's one thing I was opposed to for decades, and years I used to give I used to get paid speeches about polsku and advise clients. One thing we all have to remember is it's becoming increasingly difficult to sample enough people in each cohort, by race by gender by age five, Geography by party affiliation, and you have to wait w AI t to finish a poll over a series of days for to be accurate. But what's happening is they're waiting w e i ght their results. So they're getting a small number of responses in an individual cohort and extrapolating that, you know,
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what know what the media, interestingly is really not discussing is how they've kind of been given this authority to work with pollsters. That's that's who they were a lot of the polls now. Yeah. But they but they've been they have been granted this authority by the public to call elections and, and they're not giving that back. And that's not being discussed, except here. Not it's not really happening discuss this, this is, this is the core issue isn't. And of course, we got lazy. Because like I you know, it's like we want it to be done by 1130. You know, I want to go out, have a drink, and then we'll go back to bed Well, before you bitch about that. I don't have the clip. But I do have a bunch of more of these clips from the useful idiots because the great Glenn Greenwald was on. And he talked about how Eastern Eastern Europe, Europe, Europe, in particular. And even in Brazil. He says they're set up so they get their votes in and there by midnight, they have the results 100% gun pocket in the United States can't do this. But we I'm sure we have a different country, different system. We out we absolutely could do this. I'm still in favor of finger in the ink pot. I've always liked that stick your finger in the ink pot. You voted you're done. You can't You can't vote anymore. That would be good. Right? I think it's easy for viewers. Oh, we can't even get elections done. Yeah, we've given that process away. That needs to be taken back. And really the the bottom line is where you're going to get your information from. If you're watching something or listening to something and an ad comes on stop. That is going to be that will never be completely truthful. advertising is censorship. People who have advertising in their programming are at minimum self censoring, at minimum. Well, yes, of course they are. Have to. But yeah, so the question, again, that the advertiser For God's sake, the question the last clip of her,
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where is the consequence? They are so chronically wrong, there were people on TV last night, you predicted a blue wave an early night, a rebuke of the Trump agenda, the Trump agenda, one up and down the ballot. We're holding the senate we picked up in the house the state legislators Pelosi has got a big problem now because the squad that doesn't do squat except they're gonna make
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a run to make a running
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runner they did last time, so they're definitely gonna make a run at her because all we hear about is she's powerful Look at her basket matches her dress again. She didn't do anything to build her coalition, her majority, but Leader McCarthy and the Trump agenda did and it was a real review. I also just want to read you this. It's on my Twitter thing, but let me just quickly, Carolina Jamie Harrison, African American man they spent $109 million. Lindsey Graham beaten Amy McGrath $90 million to lose by mitch mcconnell by big double digits Sara Gideon, the aforementioned mean, she lost a susan collins but not before 69 point 5 million was spent. Mary Hagar in Texas last john Cornyn, the 24 million spent those are female candidates, minority candidate democrats recruit to try to unseat Republican candidates. They lost every single time and Yeah.
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Wow. By the way, she goes on for that. I'm
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sure she does. And it's like what what are you talking about? Yeah, we get it. We get it sure. As fine. Do you think that the democrats had like a little celebratory thing you know, and Nancy and Chuck and and everybody come to came to hang out with Joe and Camila? You think that might have happened?
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I don't think so. Because
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you know, if you get a super stretch bed to get a super spreader event they'll all go they'll all be taken out. Super spreader by the way is is a word now. Yes, yo, yes, it's a word according to our favorite guardian of the English language the Merriam Webster dictionary. Yes sir He super spreader is now and it has a picture of Kamala Harris right next to it. I
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think they should it super spreader picture Kamla Harris What is she a super spreader.
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You said it buddy takes a second to get the joke.
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The day should somebody should trademark it and use it to spread manure. Farm advice farm device super Better. With that john deere,
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I'd like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you the man who never puts the C in self censorship john C. Dvorak.
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Well, in the morning, you have Mr. Graham Korean Mr. Bish ships in Cebu to the RAF in the air. So there's the water. Well, the days and nights out there.
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Hello, James knights and in the morning to the trolls and the troll room. Let's see what we get. 2501 2501 is your number for today. And it's decent. It's good to see you all here. The trolls are in quite the mood. You can join the trolls under their bridge and no agenda. stream.com is where they all hang out. Troll away. It's a 24 seven operation so you can be listening to any of the live shows that are part of the no agenda stream and donation in general or MIT one of the many podcasts it's all talk it's all fun sometimes music absolutely no advertising anywhere no agenda stream.com and ask for an invite while you're in there for our federated social network knowledge in the social calm where the signal to noise is so high you will you'll give up your Twitter bird right away. You will love it so much. I saw you You were interacting again you were engaging. You saw you engaging on no agenda
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social engaged what
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you're just engaging. That's what is called in tech speak, you were engaging. You were on there engaging. You're like tweeting and liking and boosting and doing stuff. It's called engagement and in the morning, but to the artists who brought us the artwork for Episode 1291 we titled that killing mink, and this was Brad one x who did a fantastic job on the George Soros box of ballots election rigging kit. He is from the future our Brad one x is it's got this got some good play. I think a lot of people thought this was humorous. liked it very funny. I think we got extra clicks because of it. I really do.
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You got what
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we got extra clicks that people were tapped on. They get extra kicked off or something. No, no, no, no, no extra clicks. I said, I feel that it was one of those that kind of stood out and people went Oh, yeah, this is cool. Let me see what's going on. There. We're always stood out compared to almost Yeah, it was probably one of the best pieces of a cover we've had for months. And we it's always good but this was really good and it compared to other art on other podcasts. No compare no comparison kickin ass and please I implore everybody go look at no agenda Art generator.com. Because the there's so much in there that obviously we can only pick one. I see john, you picked uninstalling Trump for the for the newsletter. But this the most of it is really humorous and a lot of it is inappropriately. It's it's really, really good to go take a look. And we congratulate Brad one next. I think this is first when is it not? I don't think we've had to.
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I think I looked at his art. I think he did one other one that did it. Oh, he did.
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Okay, maybe. And we welcome into that exclusive.
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That was very high. You know, we actually even checked out with those image search because it was so good was hard to believe that somebody would have the time to do that in a short period of time. Yeah, we
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often do a little check just to make sure because we don't want to get caught with our pants down. But this was on the up and up. Thank you very much, Brad congratulations. And to all of the artists who contributed their time and their talent, which is beyond anything that any commercial advertising driven outfit could even afford to have that kind of choice, forget the meetings would have to have. And we can basically finish the show, choose this within 10 minutes, and we're good to go. And it is really appreciated. No agenda generator.com. And that's just one of the many ways you can participate in our value for value system, where all we ask is what is the show worth to you? Did you if you listen to your listening, put that into a number send it to us through the Pay Pal mini and any of the many other ways to do that we just look for your time, your talent or your treasure and we love to celebrate our top donors with their newfound titles of executive producer and associate executive producer for Episode 1293 of the no agenda show and we'll start with our first one from California. Our first winner john from California from California Matt xizor. from Orange County $333 and 33 cents. I guess some jingle requests on a slate me or HTTP TPP for everyone and goat. Yes, he wants the big boy. And in the morning gents from the blue California stronghold who I have never witnessed lower excitement for a record setting election turnout. Well, you weren't around here. There's nothing but high excitement to show.
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A super spreader events all All over the bay area for a record stating election turnout and you halls are out of stock. Thank you for all the deconstruction This is true By the way, you halls
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are really out of stock from doing
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well. What happened was that you have people leaving California for a long time
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for a long time this has been happening, isn't it?
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Yeah. And so you halls, they charge like 500 bucks to rent when going out and like a 50 bucks, you can get one come same one coming in,
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but they're trying to manage their fleet is going one direction only.
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It's real. It's a problem. You can probably find someplace where they're going, I would guess Austin would be a good example, where you could go to the U haul place and say, Hey, I'll drop this off in California, but you got to give it to me for free. Yeah, good. Maybe get one for free. Yeah,
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good luck with that. I don't think so. Ah, get yourself. Thank you for all deconstructions of sanity among the media madness, pandemic 2021. Coming build back better for all, we shall see. Keep up the good work. Matt Spicer, from Orange County where jobs are being john wayne used to be allowed. I think we're definitely used to be we're definitely getting some build back better. I can't wait to see what's gonna come out of that. You know, that, that a whole bunch of build back better domains were registered on the same day all in 2016 in October, which tells me this was supposed to roll out with Hillary as President. That's a good we'll catch right? Cuz we had an election coming up in November. And they registered dotnet.org a whole whole slew of them. So make sense. Anyway, we've got some jingles for you, Matt.
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You've got karma.
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Martin? Probably Vala in Berlin. Deutschland 333 33.
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Hello.
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There. Love you. Thank you so much for your great service. What uh, what is a car is a full set. sapwood sapid cars appid. He talked about at the beginning of the show yours, Martin.
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what he's talking about how many cars the Zephyr has
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all car? Oh, yes. Ah, well, yes. The California Zephyr goes by down day. It's a train
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train. He's trained. It's like a an old train. It was not to do really great looking old one is a new version of the old train. And it goes by at about 915 West Coast time every now it's every Thursday doesn't do it used to be seven days to go by today. I didn't even I didn't even get a Sunday this Thursday. Whatever. I don't know why. It's another Thursday. Yeah. And we start counting the cars because you could see kind of see the economy changing as the car numbers went up and down. And now it's down to six, which is low because it used to be like 10 and that's what we're trying to we're talking about right and so and this is actually something that the boys over to the Squawk Box the desk over there at CNBC use for trading advice and for making their own investments and we usually tell everybody how many cars This is for had the most recent count what six cars on this effort Bitcoin 15,494. My God.
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Clearly Bitcoin was the choice for investing this time around.
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And Martin has no suggestions for anything. No. So we'll let it let it go. Sir Callum lavender blossoms is back at Michigan. Three 330 3 million thanks to all who responded to my SOS call. I was overwhelmed and learn so much. Lots of other businesses with top products and experts on so many levels and there's no agenda community and it's true. I still need somebody to help me with my WordPress installation. Please add my birthday card to all devil dogs out there. Sergeant Mr. USMC, aka cow Yeah, so this this was quite lovely. I followed a little bit but sir cow had some issues with certain payment systems refusing to allow him to process payments for his product with your CBD products. So it's it's not you're not getting high off anything. It's proven to have some proven to us to have a lot of great benefits. And sir cow has been supplying us with all kinds of stuff out of the goodness of his heart. And I think people came to his assistance and they've and they've worked on some stuff and they're helping him a lot and it's great to see that that's good enough deserves it. Robert says I was anonymous. Robert nonnamous Robert in Argyle, New York 321 29 This doesn't say anything about being anonymous or anything he says. Uh, he says I sent an email hopefully humorous was easy in that email say that he was anonymous. Well he you know the thing about it this really bugs me by the way this whole anonymous thing for this sort of thing. This is his email sorry for the confusion but I think I need to revise this email to provide a tad more anonymity. So he wants to be a tad anonymous. You gave him that he's anonymous Robert. So Robert, just a dash of anonymity just a dash Yeah, Robert Yeah, well anyway, he goes on it says an original Rogen night All right in this town my listenership is maxed out on no agenda and and then he's makes it he says he doesn't listen to Rogan as much Oh wow. I prepared for his mood I as I prepare for his move to Spotify nonetheless please dee doo
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dee doo always happy to do someone dee doo
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dee doo Shing is good a quick boots on the ground report regarding he disease right continues uh, regarding distance learning. My wife is a speech pathologist at a public school she had one of her elementary students attend his her first lesson last week. Yes, classes first started in September. This lesson consisted of the student of the students tall toddler brother, running and screaming in the background. As a parent Guardian was screeching to him just answer the question. Although while the students spun the Chromebook and embedded camera 360 degrees like a top so glad our governor Fred OHS free Fred Fritos brother has hired the mill and Melinda Gates Foundation to reimagine our schools for more distance learning. Yeah. Blink. In fact, the link is Oh, this is your this is the remote learning stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Apparently. Apparently the governor there is hooked up with the foundation. Nonetheless, I'd like to hear a pasta Glock. And it makes me laugh every time I'd like to hear some TPP jobs and screaming goat college finals karma for our children in and Alyson al ice and I think this has pronounced they make their parents very proud so much. it's sometimes hard to believe you're raised them ourselves. They are approaching college finals and we'll be looking for internship jobs very soon. enlaces show regular and I think Ali may get there someday. Yeah. A family that podcasts together stays together. Any clues. I'm very grateful I have you two gentlemen to shrink my amygdala and we thank you for your courage. It looks as if we're going to need more of it in the upcoming weeks and months. All right, so nonnamous Robert, toss the Glock
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locked in loaded.
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You've got karma
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onward with Robert Wim brow Rancho Cucamonga, California. Anaheim, Azusa and Cucamonga. 313 dot three one. And that is ITM thank you for your courage. Please deduce me Oh yeah.
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You've been
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our first request for the howling dog jobs karma it doesn't actually exist the howling dogs jobs karma Oh, you just throw that as you do with the good you got that little ISO of the howling dog? No, I know I know I can construct it of course of course I'm okay. Well, you know, but someone gets it becomes popular to see what it sounds like I haven't heard it and if possible like the humbly request someone out there it no agenda nation that producer don't inject me, Belinda jingle for subsequent donations. Thank you. Let me try this. Someone did work on a little version of your dog. So see if we can throw this with a karma. See if that works. That's not
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a thought we had that we had with the dogs Hold on. Where's it with the dog? Maybe not.
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Shoot, man someone sent it in with the dogs and that's not it. They did they screw me on that one. Well, Brother, what was your course? Your ISO name? JOHN, what was the name of that howling dog? No.
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terrier. Okay. Yes. All right. Let's see if we can now put it together and make it work. Here we go. This should work. got a long way to go for that joke.
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Yeah,
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I'm bummed about that, though. What happened to that jingle that was it was so well done. To look forward, okay.
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I Hor marusic um, I ah or I do not know how to pronounce know how to be or
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you How about your your E hora. E your your this is one of the few who came in on your ice. I thought I got two of these gimmick. Devil Devil donations, man. I can't get back Satan. Yes. All right, Tanya. That's what they'll do it. You're done. And Adam, please accept my donation for all the great work you've been doing your show is one of the few things that keeps me sane and optimistic here in the very compliant city of Toronto, Canada. navia. Gonna get a climate gate buggy buggy and a jobs karma?
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Of course you can.
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jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs.
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can I express my discontent?
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Sure.
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I don't think that boogie Boogie Boogie clip. Is that interesting that people keep calling it calling for it.
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Okay, note it.
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Just trying to dissuade people from using it because you said it's a mess. honored with sir Craig Porter, the ronin who's also came up with the lucky 303 30 Joe Biden fight off Satan donation. He'll have nothing but good luck in the in the in the future months. And he's in Portland, Oregon. iitm john adams sir Craig Porter of the ronin here saying hello to the esteemed members of Oregon local 33 from beautiful Carlsbad cat California miss you all looking forward to meeting the SoCal no agenda community at the San Diego meetup later this month. I like to request goat karma and a TPP jobs Jingo for everyone who needs them? Hopefully the Biden era will not cause the unleashing of your exit strategy. No, thank you for your courage. 73 sir Craig, n seven, f s n? Yes. 70 threes, keto five, alpha, Charlie, Charlie there, Craig.
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Now,
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there's not going to be an exit strategy. And you know, taking into account that Biden and Harris when we're just going to fade to black very slowly, will slowly be crushed under everything. And then one day we'll just be dust, jobs,
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jobs, jobs, jobs.
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Jackson Gilmore in Danville, California became the first associate executive producer with $250. A nice number. Thank you both for the laughs high quality research and non bias analysis of our openly corrupt media establishment. I couldn't have said it better. It's truly needed. Now more than ever, can I get a marine Dowd iPad app? She's apparently on that. Yeah. The Biden thing. I don't know it offhand. Rosie O'Donnell yet. And any pastor Manny any pastor Manning will do. Okay, was there anything else? No, no goats are just
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you know, obviously,
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I read I read the New York Times like all day long, mainly on my iPad.
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All hell is gonna break loose and you're gonna need a Bitcoin.
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So true. So true.
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It's not Maureen Dowd Jackson Oh,
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what's her name?
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The editor of the New York Times,
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labor Jill Abrams. Just feel a breath.
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Got that feel good.
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Chef James from Springfield, Missouri 249 like less just want to say quickly that without programs like no agenda we as a country, and a free people would be lost. The free internet and producer sponsor shows like yours are the last bastion of freedom. Thank you both for what you've done and do try it twice weekly to keep us informed and on the right track. Much love and peace to you from the Ozark Mountains.
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Thank you, James. Thank you very much. I appreciate it.
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The Ozarks is the best.
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Ozarks are beautiful. Absolutely. I love
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the wine growing area up there. No. Okay. That does good work.
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Are they doing the work up there, john?
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Good work.
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Good work does not work. Good work, huh?
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They may be doing the work to Todd Troutman in Austin, Texas. Okay. 2616 nighttime, short couch master douchebag call outs to Doug mony Andy bartolotta. Berg quatro. Dave McGuire for being dimensioned be co vidiots who doubt DNA show. Never come on board.
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And he's gonna be a knight today.
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So yes, yeah. Oh, he's gonna be short couch master. Yes, sir. couch master is his chosen enemies. And we're looking forward to seeing you on the podium. Todd, thank you for your courage and for your current name, calling out Jay named Jays up next to Kevin T. Coventry Township, Ohio. 205. My name is dude named Jay. I'm becoming an associate executive producer because Dame Ashley Lady of the Lake and sir real estate, had my smokin hot keeper and I over for an amazing dinner. We first met met Chris and Ashley at the no agenda meetup over the summer and we're clumsy together they fed nearly a dozen no agenda listeners out there home with amazing food. My keeper and I want to thank you, john and Adam, for bringing us all together in this super spreader event in Northeast Ohio. I need to call out Dave as a douchebag to douchebag for missing tonight's dinner and giving some f cans and he wants to also give some f cancer karma for so Joby Juan. And for me please play the hip hoppy version of bingo boom shaka laka This is very nice note and I think they actually sent this in a meetup report because they considered a meetup even though it wasn't listed no agenda meetups calm but I love seeing this this is exactly the way we find people that we like to hang out with and you do it to those meet with no agenda
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meetup so be again you have to deal with these these people telling you that you're a racist and you're on a list like that poor or poor millennial friend.
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If you want to list your racist misogynistic you're no good but at least you found someone who you'd like to hang out with anything go
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you've got karma
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cermaq and Dame Lauren and Odenton Maryland make good please do douche Dave of the Pacific Northwest.
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You've been
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invited to the round table is for David the Pacific PN wp NW. He started his SP NW not Pacific Northwest. He started us on the show and deserves to be recognized. We believe he was trying to be a show number donor 1291 but missed the cut off. He was executive producer on 1292 but didn't get to the roundtable. As members of the round. We can't let this oversight happen now, I remember him being credited for executive producer ship. I don't know that he was dumped from the way I went back into the records room. I pulled the microfiche and indeed he was not listed in the night and gaming list for some reason. That's the things do happen. sometimes known as a glitch. So he will become a black knight.
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I want to suggest one other award for him. Because he wanted to be the 1291 Club Mm hmm. Obviously that he missed to give him the club today. Yep. Okay.
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So he gets your soul 1293 clubs. That means I'm pitching in a silver dollar. And you need to pitch in a silver dollar. I got one. We got it. We're done. Okay, perfect. And apologies for that and it's so nice to see sir Mack and Dave Morin, stand up for him and rightfully so. So we'll make it we'll make that happen he's on the list folks show today as a black knight. Thank you very much for your courage sir makin Dame Lauren. Robert Tyler low in landisville Pennsylvania 200 bucks. Gentlemen, this shall be my second donation This will be my birthday donation for I have gone 32 revolutions now pictures of almost 33 as November the seventh I have aged another year by god I love the show. I love the show more than any show. I just love this show. I can't tell you how much I love this show. I dare say I love this show. More than any man has loved any show. Although I cannot confirm but if that is true, thank you for it. And it is the reason my amygdala is a manageable size. I want to thank Uncle dyngus for savagely thrashing my face with the word it's time the following gentlemen pony up please call out these douchebags as douchebags Maxwell MacPherson chance back. Greg pepper jus. And every other freeloading no good worthless pile of scum who would knowingly suck up all the corporate sponsored content, which isn't worth that good? Damn, but refuse to donate to the best podcast in the universe.
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douche bag.
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douche bag. Why would you think that you could get great value from some other podcast sponsored by underwear? Or some shitty Chinese watch? Oh, after all, it's my birthday. And I'm the one giving money life so garden buddy, I would like to listen to that horn. I would like Whopper TPP karma for all who needed? What? Now I know the Tommy John's and all that. But what Chinese watch is being advertised on pi has no idea. flat footed as it did call
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Ben Shapiro. He'll know for sure.
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Oh my god.
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You've got karma.
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And that does conclude our list of associate executive producers and executive producers for show 1293
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indeed, and thank you so much for producing this show. These are real credits. Witness the many Dana Brunetti official Hollywood producer sent me a note he wanted to make mention that he also produced other gems such as the social network. Now he doesn't want to be just known by 50 Shades of Grey 50 shades of grey or and the greatest of all 50 shades. Although I do think that paid for his rent. So these titles are real. They're the real deal. They're on IMDB. You can put them there. You can put them in your, in your LinkedIn in your in your CV, your resume. Executive? Oh, yes.
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I was gonna say you know, those three horrible films. The gray films. They brought in over far as I know, they brought in over 1.5 billion and I think he had points.
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Yes, he had points on the gray.
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Yeah, yeah. He
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had points on the gray. Danny.
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I don't know.
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However, he did not actually I should probably read his his his note to you because note to me, because he did mention you and I think I should pass that along. Hold on a second. In my DMS. He was slide I got Hollywood producers sliding into my DMS Here we go. Hey, I also produced Ord when there's like the social network and Captain Phillips. House of Cards is more recent and 80 Shades of Grey pays the bills and tell john I have more of a southern accent since I grew up in southwest Virginia. His big part just went out the window.
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Back Back.
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And by the way, says it looks like the rain stick may have worked as a chance of rain this weekend. And to true we're not we're not we're not to callus with the stick. Don't be commanding us what would you do with our sticks, Dana? Anyway, back to our producers for this show. You are now executive and associate executive producer for Episode 1293 of the best podcast in the universe. And we appreciate that in particular people who had the audacity to still pick up on the donation that devil donation level, an unwise decision in my mind, but by Mr. devore act, but okay, he wants bells above to come into our segment. That's fine. We'll have
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to reject bells above.
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out even
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though I'm sorry
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I got a little thing his little side joke here that needs to be played
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like side job
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yes like what you don't want to the truth needs to come out. Yes, what the TV network sometimes the truth needs to come out but it comes out it doesn't come out as like a flub. It comes out as something purposeful. And cbs news uh i can't say that they're behind this but if you go to CBS, CBS has this extra little channel where they play weird stuff you have to pay for it is five bucks and What's
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the name? What's the name of this channel?
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CBS plus
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I think are caught how original Really?
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On top of it CBS
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plus, we need no agenda POS plus, we call it your case. It
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could be called no agenda POS,
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man. Stop for signs No. Show or stop the
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show apologize in advance. This is this is actually a psychological condition we need to discuss one time I said pus You were so outraged by it so disgusted by the thought of a pimple popping in the pus oozing out that you excoriated me for it. I immediately stopped since then said to you Why did you have brought this up three or four times now? This is a this is a psychological condition. Do I need to get my head examined? Okay, let's go with it that this so they show CBS has brought they brought some comics that can't even read from a script. And it's just stilted. It's just the worst. And it's a show that they put on it's a five minute little show they put on this this separate network called tuning tuning out the new wait and wait, wait, isn't this coal bears thing? I think co bear is a producer on this. It wouldn't surprise me. Yeah,
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I think he's a producer of it. Yeah.
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Well, it brings out the real feelings of the network The way I see. And I and I want to play four short clips from it just to show you what kind of crap they push out there. It's just Trump hate Trump hate to the max and it's a cartoon like this it's a cartoon series starts with number three by the way it's a cartoon like animated no agenda. It's not as good as animated. Hello, obviously but it's like it's it's a sad knockoff.
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It's no no it's not because animated no agenda is derivative. It's derived from the real show. Ah, gotcha. This is original contents.
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It's like a table read with pictures.
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A table read of crap. So let's start indeed to get an idea what this is like by starting out. Clip three is Noma clip. The first
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of all voters if you're extremely motivated to have a president not working around the clock to kill them. But nine days before election day more people already have cast ballots in this year's presidential election than voted early or absentee in the 2016 race.
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Must be disappointed that when you miss Madison country so badly that there's nothing to do people fill that free time just by waiting around. Yeah, for sure.
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Now, john, where are we in this race besides wondering if a just God would let Trump win reelection?
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Oh, it sounds like a reality show.
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Yeah, so exactly what it sounds like so let's do so that was just the Trump's killing us as a mismanaged operation and this will all the theme of the whole thing. I find the whole thing. Offensive by the way. This is CBS like tuning to news. The next one's clip for
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and like jumping off a bridge now present three stops in the deliverance quarter of Pennsylvania with his inspiring message to the coven stricken masses. It I'm tired of hearing about it.
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All they talk about the fake news COVID COVID COVID that's all they talk about. It's so true people are sick of seeing this pandemic on TV. The plot is repetitive and it is depressing.
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Yeah, listen and Coronavirus needs to mix up its programming. JOHN, I, for one would like to see a guest appearance by Queen Connie Britton and someone's lines.
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I just don't agree with President Trump, that after November 4, even if he loses, we're not going to hear about COVID It's the story of our times.
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Oh, man, this is unfunny. I don't understand the point of tuning out the news. And then is it supposed to be?
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Oh, it's supposed to be hilarious. And I think amongst the coal bears of the world, they just think this is great. Interesting. Without their audience, they get no clue. So let's play clip five.
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Let me just say this, he is killing Americans in so many fresh and
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innovative ways.
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I think he's within his right to criticize the media for getting stuck on this one issue. I mean, haven't we had enough talking about this disease that has changed life as we know it, people are completely ignoring the biggest story Halloween stores
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are refusing to carry my homemade costume called tow truck guys, toothless buddy.
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Also, we
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all know who is responsible for this virus, Saddam Hussein and his sons, Uday and Qusay. And finally,
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Jared Kushner reassured the Republican base that the President believes black people are a monolith.
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This is I believe that this is put together by people who actually see the world that way. And that, that they think that that's all that in I guess, Republicans and Trump talk about and do they really they're really just running, you know, Fox News Channel, I guess, in their minds and just spitting it back out. Hey, it's not it's a TV show. Channel, people. It's not real. That's crazy.
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Here we go with the last one.
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Oh, misfire. Sorry. Five, six. Yes. Got it. Well, you know,
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I would say especially people, whether they're white or black, like being condescended to by somebody that inherited wealth that Jared Kushner Did
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you know, as a black woman,
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this is a really insulting implication and it will absolutely make me think twice about my secret vote for Trump before I absolutely still go through with it Wow,
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that's really brave of you to say
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wow yeah, that's kind of pathetic that I mean, it doesn't it breaks every rule of comedy a not funny not funny
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at all rule of comedy was common.
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There's something I heard in this other clip though that reminded me of something fantasy but it is this female voice dressing Now
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listen and Coronavirus needs to mix up its programming john, I for one would like to see a guest appearance by Queen Connie Britton in someone's lungs. Oh, there's no winning. We don't like to foster a competitive atmosphere. But we laugh a lot. Now everyone can share a secret, same woman.
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Voice Over is the tele secret lady. Oh, man. So what's your conclusion here on this this is besides the hijab I
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found it. I found it to be insulting to anyone's intelligence. But as CBS This is CBS really this is what they really think this is what the place has been populated by these millennials and others that have this funny attitude about things they're they're over socialized and college graduates. Yeah. Yeah.
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Well, also the distinct feeling I get from people who probably watch this or think it's funny. They really
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first stop right there with that thought. Kudu you know, personally that would watch this and think it's funny.
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I think I can point to a few. Yeah, that find that hilarious. Not in the traditional way, but just and I think even now, especially. That's what those it's so funny. You tell you it's just like them? I think so. I think that's there.
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Yeah, maybe
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there's a ch. Go ahead. Well, what do you want to say?
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Nothing. I was just saying it was like a. a, I can't I just want to yawn. Why don't
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you ask Jay or JC ask them? I'm sure they know people who think this is hilarious and watch it. And almost have the opinion that it's like, it's like, it's like pointing the beast like pitru they say points the ball instead throws it. It's like you think you're doing the right thing with this kind of material. I don't even think that the lefties think this is funny. But I'm okay with it. Drop it. We're done. Okay, I do have some COVID updates. I mean, this did the worst pandemic Evers still killing us everywhere and we're all going to die in Austin. So sorry for you living there. We have no no lockdowns, no nothing. But around the world. Yes, things are different. I got a report from one of our from Dober Slav from Moscow with a little rundown and we don't hear much about that what the what the restrictions are in in Russia. So he gave us a quick little rundown private clinics not allowed to conduct COVID tests or interesting private laboratories are allowed to do it. This was not the case in April and appears to have been changed according to certain podcasts so I guess they maybe they saw a problem some discrepancy in the test. Any test must be submitted to the rospotrebnadzor Dobbs nor central government agency roughly cooler the US FDA now the CDC, the FDA. Now here comes a if you do test positive, you must must must install a COVID tracking app not tracing tracking app and quarantine. The app is quite literally called. And he has a whole bunch of Russian characters, which I guess the app translates to social monitoring. It is available in app store so we have to go and look at that the quarantine is for two weeks starts from the time the test is submitted to the central agency. Once you are quarantined. You must open the app every four hours and take a selfie.
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What Yes,
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and what about when you're sleeping?
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Well, I don't know about that. He doesn't give me any information. And if your phone's GPS shows us somewhere other than your place of residence, you will be fined 4000 rubles. Approximately $50 are about a quarter of your monthly salary for anywhere that isn't Moscow. If you're unwilling to install the app 4000 rubles if you're unable to install the app, 4000 ruble fine. things going well, they're in Russia. That's we got that's what we got to look forward to, I guess. Although I feel Liverpool is taking it to the next level. The next next logical level. This is from the broadgreen international schools a technology called college. It's a they probably follow the Baccalaureate system. In the United Kingdom. This is in international school sent out a note to parents. As you're aware, Liverpool is in tier three COVID-19, safeguarding arrangements, whatever that means, it sounds impressive. As part of this process, central government has identified Liverpool to pilot a new COVID-19 testing system this is encouraging. This is being called the lateral flow system. How about that? Huh? lateral flow, which is the aeronautical term that we talked about not too long ago with auto aviation? I don't know why they call that why they bring that in for testing. But anyway,
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site wasn't lateral wasn't the word. It's not lateral flow. No, it was.
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I can't remember what is what is lateral flow, then what is I have no behind. sites across the city are due to be positioned across the city to in order to carry out testing. I am pleased to inform me that we had broad green international school or in the privileged position of being one of the first seminare laminaria right, laminar flow, right. I am pleased to inform you that we had broad green international school are in the privileged position of being one of the first schools within this city to have the testing brought to our site and here it comes. This is the this is the best. I'm so happy. I have met this afternoon with the representatives of the British Army, who will be in our school next week to COVID-19 test all our students and staff. Each child and adult will be identified with a unique barcode to ensure personal identification test and subsequent results. tattoo. Yes, it's on your forehead. You got it. You got a barcode. I love that they are just putting it out in the open. That is excellent. I'm looking forward to my tattoo. Beautiful. Appreciate that. I will state will be randomly testing, which actually I should I should say that there's the CDC did something a little sneaky as the CDC does. They replaced some text on their testing information website. What the text previously said was data to date show that a person who has had an MRI covered from COVID-19 may have low levels of virus in their bodies for up to three months after diagnosis. This means that if the person who has recovered from COVID-19 is retested within three months of initial infection, they may continue to have a positive test result, even though they are not spreading COVID-19, which is not really discussed either. But it has been replaced with the following anyone who has had close contact with someone with COVID-19, and who meets the following criteria, no longer needs to stay at home, if you have had COVID-19 illness within the previous three months, or if you're recovered, and you remain without COVID-19 Cyst Symptoms. So here's the discrepancy in in where we are in the world. People are being told you have to if you test positive, then you have to quarantine for two weeks, and then have at least two negative tests. Well, this is not going to happen. Because people can continue to shed virus. And what they're saying here is the PCR process is bullcrap. But they're not coming out and saying it. So you can't even have a test within three months of initial infection.
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You can't you can't you can't even really
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take a test if you're asymptomatic, because that could be from months ago. And they're kind of saying it here. But will that make any difference how they're gonna dis how they stopped? Depends? Exactly. Why do you change some point? This will be when President camel, sorry, President Biden and Vice President camela get into office, they will reevaluate and decide to come up with some reason that this is everything's improved, because they got elected. President Kamala, I'm sorry, President Biden and Vice President camela. Yeah, they'll just make the statement that this is the new test is going to be this way and we bombed the thing is over completely. Because it can be done that way. Or they can just let it stretch it out for some other reason. I think it will stretch out maybe and maybe increase the panic a little bit over the course of the next next few weeks. So people want camela and Joe even more, but yes, this these numbers, the numbers that are being reported, which are cases, cases, equal positive results for finding some fraction of a virus shed or not a with a PCR process. You can totally ratchet it up or down so we'll see which way they go. All we have to remember is that just ratcheting.
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By the way,
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my buddy Dave, Dave Jones, you know, Dave built the freedom controller. Yeah. Dave Jones, he got Coronavirus, like sick.
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And anyway, in
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the big shift, I think Tuesday, Monday or Tuesday. And so he's over it. I mean, he's still quarantining. But he actually said that if he had managed his fever better, and had about 102, he said that it would have been no more than a mild flu. And that was because the recommendation was Tylenol every eight hours, which just didn't work for him. And then when he went to Tylenol every eight hours, but alternated every eight hours with Advil. He said, The fever broke came down and it was it was, you know, okay, but not horrible. But the main takeaway, his wife as a teacher, she's very strict about mask wearing. And I know Dave, he has worn a mask everywhere. He could, I mean, no exceptions. And he says, Well, that's obviously bullcrap. Because somehow he got it not from touching people. And of course, his wife didn't get it. So anyway. We talked I mentioned the minks being called
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guess the minks?
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Well, now I'm getting stories everywhere. That the minks are being a ring obliterated from Planet Earth.
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Just to protect them. Well.
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article from was was it today and let me see when this came out in the New York Times. When did this come out? Oh, no, the fifth so it came out a couple days ago. The the mink of course, is very closely related to the ferret. And here's the story. No one really talked about it. nasal spray prevents covid infection in ferrets study finds. And this is not any kind of magical concoction, but it does work. According to these scientists who put it together. Almost exactly like a vaccine. The spray attacks the virus directly. It can tains lipo peptide, a cholesterol particle linked to a chain of amino acids. This particular lipo peptide exactly matches a stretch of amino acids in the spike protein of the virus, which the pathogen uses to attach to a human airway or lung cell. So I'm just wondering, you know, now that people are all freaked out about these about the the mink, if you know this, like, I didn't want anyone to figure out that we could actually save the mink, because they're like the ferret. Yeah. I don't put anything past these people. But crests are produced from Denmark says, by the 16th of November, in Denmark, all mink are to be put down due to a mutation. The Danish CDC starting serums Institute. They say they have found at least five mutations of the COVID-19 virus, they call it cluster five. And they say it jumps from mink to people telling you, john, there's some secret here, there's something there's something going on with this mink. So they're stepping up the test by three fold for everybody, and they have to call all of the mink and all of Denmark by the 16th. But here's what's interesting. He's heard people saying that, hey, first as they come for the ferrets, but they may be coming for our pets next. And I like that. I like this. Yes, I like coming for your dogs, they're gonna call your
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dogs. Well, this makes my my wife's investment in mink coats
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worth it?
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Well, you know, what Mimi's been doing for probably 15 years. And think she's got maybe five or five or six of these codes. Uh, and then she does research on them as she gets them. Because of the West Coast and is Oh, for
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Mm hmm.
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You can get a mink coat on Craigslist. That happened to be owned by some grandma, she bought it in the 30s or 40s from some furrier in New York City. And you can get it for like 100 bucks. Or one on one. So she has been buying a bunch of these, but she sees by everyone but she's bought a number of them for like 100 bucks. And we do a little research afterwards. And the original price to the code was like eight grand in 1930. Oh, yeah. Now these in 1930 it was eight grand holy crap that was might as well been 80,000 if not more.
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So. So now these coats will be more valuable if unless they can maintain this hatred of dead animal fur. Yeah. But people out there on the lookout, you should go check this out in certain parts of the country, you're going to be able to get these very expensive coats, fur coats for next to nothing on Craigslist. Your Tip of the day.
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That's a very good tip, especially now with with the situation supply demand people figure it out. And the last thing I think I have on the cove is Do I have anything else here? No, I think that's all I need is the New York State Bar has passed the mandatory COVID-19 vaccination recommendation which is not a law. Mary Beth Morrissey, chair of the bars Association health law sections tax force, which is a fancy name for drinking club for lawyers, said in a statement after the vote on Saturday, the authority of the state to respond to a public health crisis is well established in constitutional law. The New York State Bar Association has therefore passed a resolution urging the state to consider making it mandatory for all New Yorkers to undergo COVID-19 vaccination when a vaccine becomes available, even if people object to it for religious, philosophical or personal reasons.
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Yay.
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Let's go to New York. By the way, I believe that to be bullcrap, we've talked about this before this authority and I disagree with Alan Dershowitz, the constitutional lawyer, he says that it's well established that the that the states the government of America can jab a needle in your arm. Well, the proof of that case and based on case law is a little different. The was a father and a son, and they were vaccinated. Now we're talking late 1800s, I think or turn of the century. And they both got infected with a mon wonder what that was at the time. Whatever pox something even though they had been vaccinated, so they refused the second time around. And the lawsuit, the case that was won by the state was that the state could sue that could find them for not taking the mandatory vaccine. Not that they could plunge the needle into their arm. Now, doesn't mean that you can't twist that and say, because they can find you. They might know they can jab a needle in your arm. But I think that case is there's Miss misrepresented. And, you know, but does matter when a bunch of lawyers say, hey, it's fact than most people don't bother to quote,
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there's a little twist to it. smallpox, especially during that era was not a shot.
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Well, I said, Okay,
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so it's not the same as jabbing a needle in your arm.
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I have to go back and look at what case that was john, I know I have the information, but I'll look into it because we we covered this, I have
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to keep an eye on it cuz
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I'll bring it back. I mean, I convinced myself when we discussed it the first time that's for sure.
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I know. yourself again, you've convinced yourself a few times. Now. I do want to get to my clips from useful idiots include Glenn Greenwald, even though you may object to some of the quality of the clip, mainly because Glenn Greenwald's coming in from Brazil.
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Well known. Glenn Greenwald, needs help. He needs help with a better setup. I got that. Sure. 55 It's a piece of crap. It's not for him. You know, it's not. It's breathy. It's no, it sounds a little thin. It's not a great microphone. And he has no technique. This is his main problem. No, he's good. He has no technique. So Glenn, happy to help you a point come to the pod father, I'll take you under my wing. Well, so before I play these clips, I got four of them. But three of them I do have a fourth clip, which is just to point out that is something that is a preface to the whole thing. Katie helper and the woman that is co hosting this show with Ty Eb is just a Trump hater. And she and she did discuss the the scam of the elections and that mean because time is very skeptical by a lot of stuff as those greenwall and they talked about there. They both think the Russian hoax was a hoax and everything was a hoax. And this she's doesn't buy any of us she still thinks that you know Russians interfered and, and then didn't so I hear this little clip here. And this really galled me. This is the useful idiots Katie clip that Donald
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Trump were actually like a Klansmen or, you know, a burgeoning Hitler the way he's been presented in the in the news media for the last four years, people would be dancing in the streets right now. And every single editorial would be about, boy we really dodged a bullet and yet most of the reaction is wow. And it is disappointing down ballot performance by the Democrats. It's just I don't think anybody really believed that he was Hitler or or a real white supremacist. I just I just don't
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I think he I think he pays lip he pays lip service. I mean, his when he said there are good people on both
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sides.
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Did that tell me someone countered that Matt or Glenn Greenwald? No, they probably didn't do that. Neither one of them countered here with the with her concept of the very fine people. And then to make it worse, they didn't say anything, even though they were kind of like holding their you know, you can see they maybe wanted to, but they didn't have the guts to do it. She said it again later in the show. Very fine people. And it was like, you know, brother these? Well, here's here's the problem. I do want to say something about useful idiots. I believe that they The show is now has gone from rolling stone to iHeartRadio. So they're compromised now. Because now there's there's real money. There's real ads that have to run as on the podcast, so I'm afraid that this will no longer be a useful program to listen to other than for our for our own personal enjoyment. I don't know how much enjoyable it is. But here's grant grand Greenwald Aronne on the show, and he makes some good points. This is this is a series of clips, which is what would the foundation of our show is all about, which is that the mainstream media is corrupt and useless. And if it wasn't for that, we probably wouldn't be doing this show. But Greenwald is really got a lot of grudges, and he's irked about everything and the fact he doesn't really want to admit that he's been totally marginalized and taken for granted and pushed aside and kicked to the curb. And he never Of course, mentioned that Amy Goodman drew him under the bus. But here we go. And this is some good stuff here. We listened to well, you know, I
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All I know is anecdotally from what I hear from other reporters. But I'd be interested to hear how you characterize it.
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Well, it's interesting because the very same time that the media is having one debacle after the next to their credibility, from a any reasonable perspective, like what we just discussed in terms of the expectations, created about easy by victory, about a democratic takeover of the Senate, about how non white voters view the world, proceeded by the debacle of a Russia gate, and so many other examples, many of which we've talked about on this show before and others. On the one hand, you have that going on, but then on the other, you have this extraordinary success that these media outlets who are leading the way perpetrating these frauds are experiencing, I just today, read an article that the new york times for the first time broke 7 million digital subscribers, and now officially make more money from Digital subscribers than then then, you know, the paper subscribers, which have always been the foundation of, of their newspaper, The New York Times is now incredibly profitable institution, not despite these failures, but because of them, because they're talking only to people who want to be fed Democratic Party propaganda and liberal ideological affirmation. And that's NBC. If you go and look at their ratings in 2015, and 2016, almost every single one of their hosts was on the verge of being fired because nobody was watching their shitty dumb shows. And now, you know, because of Trump, he's single handedly saved almost all of their jobs. And you go across the spectrum to like blogs and media outlets. I mean, I know at the intercept, you know, we had one reporter whose only purpose in life was just to write up whatever like anti Trump agitprop materialized on Twitter. And it became one of the most read, you know, parts of what the intercept did, even though it was incredibly superficial and shallow was literally just summarizing, whatever the like, you know, Trump lied in this tweet, or he exaggerate whatever, like the people you know, in the msnbc world was terrible. He would write it up, but it would generate clicks.
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I'm noticing something different with Glenn. nose. Yeah, I think he's, he's up talking more than he used to. He has a little bit of a girl in him sometimes. You didn't notice that maybe maybe love to listen to the next clip. He saw
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it when you knew you left me a wide open softball. With a little bit of a girl in me that I just mentioned a there's two people out there always expecting a wisecrack from me.
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Yeah, no, I am not touching it. No. I'm like, john. Now let's come, he starts to bring up some points that I think are personally interesting. And that is that in the next clip, you'll there's it gets better. Is that when Trump is gone? These guys are they got nothing, nothing to talk
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about. Exactly. And msnbc in particular, I don't know what they're gonna do.
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This is why I always say is good for the show, because we'll have a lot more to talk about.
2:28:08
Well, yes, yes, that part is true. Okay, let's go on because it gets. There's some some tidbits here which play into some of my thinking is part to
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Trump salvage this industry. And I think one of the most, you know, significant data points that we've gotten in the last three or four months about this was the Pew poll that asked, I think, thousands, if not 10s, of thousands of news consumers, which is your primary news source, what is the source that you look to first to get your news before all others? And of course, like people who said MSNBC, them 95% were Democrats, as you would expect from people who said Fox, it was like 93% republican so msnbc is even more partisan then. Then Fox, but for NPR. It was 93% said democrats and the most of it 87 Yeah, and the most amazing one was the New York Times 91% of the people who identify the New York Times as the primary source of news are now democrats like it's always lean kind of liberal right? It's been in the heart of New York forever. It's you know, kind of ethos has been cosmopolitan speaking to people in big cities, so it's never been, you know, it's a continent with like, even, you know, evangelicalism or world conservatism, but at least like it was kind of a trusted paper in the middle that's gone. It's completely a partisan outlet now, and is making more money than it ever made before. And of course, your book
2:29:33
Hey, Inc,
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in my view, tells this story is better, as well as in fact better than any other which is the new model of media profitability in a world where media outlets are struggling for profitability is to just be as polarizing as possible, elevate fear and eight levels as high as you can about whoever the enemy or the villain or the other is. And then just feed people feed into that hatred because hatred and fear are very powerful. motivating emotions to make you keep like nothing running to see what's going on what state endangering you what's threatening, you know, one that the New York Times wanted to hear from a Trump supporter,
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when he just now figuring this out. He's just now figuring out that's the model. Oh, my Glenn Mosley, mostly concerned about the about the Pew study. I think there's what they're really talking about, which is a fairly recent, that indicates that if you read the New York Times, you're probably a Democrat. Republicans don't read it. But what it says to me is that because we have this, this skew, political skew, is that in the olden days, and people accept it, in fact, it's predates old timers. But in the 1800s, in particular, the newspapers used to be biased, they used to be called the press Democrat. Right. And they were that was the democrat paper and there was a republican paper that may have not been called Republican, but it was like to call or something like that. It hadn't, but they were distinct. The two papers in your area were distinct. There was a Republican and Democrat paper and they would appeal to their partisan readers. The idea of making newspapers objective and having j schools teach people how to make that happen. It was an abject failure. Because at the end, Trump just brought it to the fore, which is with this fake news comments, when he says fake news what he means is Democrats, Democrat news, and there is no republican news except for talk radio on am radio. Fox tried to do it. And then you have now you have a bunch of screwy little ones like oh, a and, and a bunch of other ones. If you go on if you're on Pluto, they have a slew of these newscasts. Yeah, they've got a was it America's Newsmax college Max is one of them. So it's all in basically anything that that will take Steve Bannon is on Pluto. He's on all those channels. Well, let's just play this last clip, and then we can discuss it more
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offending millennials, you have these 50 year old editors, 55 year old editors, who know that in a profession that they've been in their whole lives, the only thing that they can do or jobs are disappearing, the last thing they want is to be accused of being a misogynist, or racist or homophobic, transphobic or anything else because of things that they published by doing their jobs. And they would rather just claim to their jobs and support their family, even if it means abandoning the role of journalism, as they've always conceived it. And so the pathology in newsrooms, for all those reasons, is intense and pervasive. And I think growing rapidly in a way that is not going to be solved by trying to reform these institutions. They're too dependent upon this model, I think what's going to happen is new models of how to do journalism. And you know, I was very candid about the fact that even before I left the intercept, because of that censorship episode, I was already exploring the possibility of doing that precisely because it's so obvious, that's what's missing. Okay.
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Well, I have a question for you about the old about the old partisan.
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newspapers.
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Were their wars at the newsstand were so like the left wing paper would come along and then would dump their stack on top of the right wing paper. And then some other guy would come back
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and off the top my head. I don't know this. I don't know that history that well, but it would not surprise me. Because that's fact I'd be surprised if that wasn't happened. Right.
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So that is analogous to what's happening now where the public newsstand is run by big tech, the ones that people are familiar with. I mean, there's lots of new stands even back in the day you go around the corner and you pick up your little your special little newspaper. Hey, but this is what so people cannot get equal access to different forms of news. And this and I think this is really what we're going to be seeing and not from you know, from Glenn and from from Tybee. Although I think they have their own problem. Both of these guys, in my opinion are in heavy need of an editor because their shit is too long. It's I lose focus, I lose consciousness. Sometimes I can feel the show
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less so at Tybee. Glenn Greenwald writes long and it's not well done. It's too
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much. It's just too long. And it's like oh, I can write everything and I and I am interested in what he has to write. But he said I got a sub stack from him yesterday and we
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got Ian Greenwald's list. Yeah.
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No one came in yesterday. So I think looking at what's happening And we're just presuming that Biden and Harris are going to be occupying, and we will refer to them as the current occupants of the White House.
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They are my president.
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Not my president. Yeah. Well, I'm not like that. But I can see where people would say that. I It is my life in a way fear. But I think that the news will continue to, they need to have Trump somehow they need Trump in the picture, unless they come up with another bad guy and and a good surrogate is going to be any, any journalist, but it really any person, any category of people, and just comes back to the retribution, that had anything to do or said anything positive about Trump will be targeted. And it's going to be really, really ugly. And, and people are being riled up, and to being told that these are racist and misogynist, and Nazis and whatever. And I fear for that situation, that people will just, they will spit on you in the street, like you're a collaborator and shave your head.
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I think that's not going to happen. I'll tell you why.
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Okay, well, it's good, you make me feel better.
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I think the news, I think it just was kind of explained in these three clips, is that Trumps save the business, a lot, The New York Times to be super profitable, made msnbc a winner.
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This thing turning into what you describe, which could happen if it was promoted that way, would be a disaster, but it would hurt their business. And since they want to keep you know, they want to keep Trump into the picture. They want to they don't want to lose all his money by this, just what the situation that you described happening. And that's exactly what would happen, it would start to fall apart. They will discourage it, the media can has enough clout to do this. They'll discourage it with this unity thing or whatever crap they're pushing. And that will never occur. This will never happen. Don't do the trumpist will be welcomed into the fold. And everybody will be happy. I think that moments of discount would you describe is going to be short lived if it happens at all.
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I hope you're right.
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I'm gonna show my school by Jonah to no agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that.
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Oh yeah, that'd be fine.
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We are happy and abstracted. You imagine
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that tune becoming like a German drinking song like 100 years from now.
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And I caught off the first half of it. Just want to subject us to the whole song. No, no. in a more more Nazi I probably yes. So
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Black. In the morning Mrs. teacher named JJ in the morning. This is Sue Nathan Lee, Adam and john you are needed now more than ever. And that's some food for thought.
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And now I'm blurring the party lines. All
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right. Have a great day.
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Bye bye.
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Bye bye and so so long and such.
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I come on it sounds like a fun group to hang out with. Or you could always go to Dallas, Texas.
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Alright Adam and john is Dave
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And the smoking hot wife.
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Having a party with all the small Migdal is in the morning. This is Daniel Epstein did not vote
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in the morning Oh yes, Dallas.
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I don't know how I was supposed to take that. Yes, I'm on the smokin hot wife chasing my my the human resources. I burst around the dirty floor. How did she How did you take that job? Was she happy about their dirty floor?
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It's hard to say it was enigmatic. Let's Yes,
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there you go. There are a number of meetups you can attend coming up this week on Tuesday Inland Empire California 11 o'clock pacific time. That will be Sylvan Park. Then we have Friday the Seattle no agenda meetup at four o'clock Patrick organizing that. Then in Tucson Tucson tee time on Friday the 13th at 430 Mountain Time. Let's see that'll be at whiskey roads in Tucson and whiskey roads in Tucson. Then also on Friday, there's Charlotte regional meetup slaves dames and ne'er do wells at six o'clock Triple C brewing. And Bill Cameron organizing that on the horizon for the 14th we have Fort Myers, Florida, Michigan, Michigan mobile, low country South Carolina friends giving nashville tennessee Catskill Mountains, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania and Nashville, Tennessee proper then on the 15th virtual meetup in Second Life, okay. The Philly local 76 jerseys going on. Guess I had no idea. You know who mentioned that to me. The other day was Andrew Horowitz. He mentioned that I had been in Second Life. But you know how long ago that is? That's 1515 years ago. Is that thing still? Yeah, it's
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very old.
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Those guys had the right idea though with virtual money. Anyway. Yes. Virtual Second Life meetup on the 15th. in Philly, local 76. Jersey, strong selfish bastards. The jitsi virtual on the 18th kawartha. College country, no course the call cottage country Ontario, Canada navia. On the 21st. And then on the 20th. And on the 21st, San Diego, Midland, Texas, Columbus, Ohio. And there will be a Thanksgiving Saturday potluck in Austin on November 28. That no agenda meetups, it's a good place to go hang out with people. And it's a it's a very good time, no matter where in the world you are. If you can't find anything on no agenda meetup.com Why don't you start one of your own. It's easy, and it's just like a pot.
Have one get one last clip I wanted to play for the all day all the Reaganites who show up here and miss their favorite episodes. Joe had Tristan Harris on the other day. And we know Tristan because he's done. He's testified a lot about the he's the former Google guy. He's the Google guy who sent a document and then got excoriated and kicked out of Google. He was also in the social dilemma. I accept him generally as a guy who kind of understands what's going on. And we've played a lot of clips from him. But he did something on the Joe Rogan experience which was such a no agenda throwback, I considered Should we do it and just do what he did. But actually, he did a pretty good reading. He read the opening to amusing ourselves to death by Neil Postman, which is a book we discussed, hmm 11 years ago, maybe 10 years ago, and there was a whole series It was really my education, where the beginning of the show I was reading Well, of course, I and Rand, I remember taking a month to read that Brave New World, Aldous Huxley, and of course, George Orwell 1984. And then later, we started talking about Neil Postman and these may be on no agenda books calm, but the no agenda book club. But he did a reading of the opening of amusing ourselves to death, which shows the contrast or is it really, maybe we're seeing both of these simultaneously, certainly in the United States, but I think globally between the George Orwell's 1984 version of the world and the, the Huxley version of the world, which kind of contrast each other. And for anyone who hasn't read these three books in particular, this is your primer.
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We're all looking out for you know, 1984. When the year came, and the prophecy didn't, thoughtful Americans sang softly and preys on themselves. The roots of liberal democracy had held this is like we made it through the 1984 gap. wherever else the terror had happened, we at least had not been visited by Orwellian nightmares. But we had forgotten that alongside Orwell's dark vision. There was another slightly older, slightly less well known, equally chilling vision of Aldous Huxley's Brave New World. Contrary to common belief, even among the educated Huxley and Orwell did not prophesy the same thing. Orwell warns that we will become overwhelmed, overcome by an externally imposed oppression. But in Huxley's vision, no big brother is required to deprive people of their autonomy, maturity or history. As he saw it, people will come to love their oppression, to adore the technologies that undo their capacities to think what Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book for there would be no one who wanted to read one. Orwell feared those who would deprive us of information, Huxley feared those who would give us so much that we'd be reduced to passivity and egoism. Orwell feared the truth would be concealed from us. Huxley feared the truth would be drowned in a sea of irrelevance. Orwell feared we would become a captive culture. But Huxley feared we would become a trivial culture preoccupied with some equivalent of the feelies and the 4g 4g innocent tropical Bumble puppy don't know what that means. As Huxley remarked in Brave New World revisited the civil libertarians and rationalists who are ever on the alert to oppose tyranny failed to take into account man's almost infinite appetite for distractions. Lastly in 1984, or will adage, people are all people are controlled by inflicting pain. In Brave New World, they are controlled by inflicting pleasure. In short, Orwell feared that what we fear will ruin us. Huxley feared that what we desire will ruin us
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Holy shit.
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Joe Rogan hearing this for the first time. But it's really interesting. I hadn't really considered that for a while that most can be true at the same time. And I think it's maybe generational. And we we see all of it but it's kind of interesting how these two intersect maybe I'm maybe I'm reading too much into it but man, but this over socialized under informed segment of the population, they are definitely definitely happy about the brave new world and they've got their Soma and which is and you know, the, everything is controlled. It's kind of regulated, they've got their uppers there, downers takes care of everything. We're kind of happy. We don't want to deal with racist, misogynist, horrible people who have different ideas. Can't you just be like everyone else? It's kinda it's kind of, we're kind of there.
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Well, this isn't making them happy, though. This is making them anxious and nervous and their wrecks. Yeah.
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Which is why you get more Soma, you need more, so much to take care of it when you when you're feeling anxious. We literally have this situation.
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Well, let's listen to this. Okay. I had different things I wanted to end with, but that's okay. And with this, it's okay, you can read part of a sociologist named Jonathan Haidt, who does a lot of books ha IDT. As
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always, books, we discuss books we've discussed his Yes, we've discussed one of his books not too long ago, I think like it is a lecture he gave last year I he was at Penn State, he gets kicked out a lot of data, but a good boy listen to these lectures. And this is his commentary on Gen Z, which is now populated the colleges. I just thought it was fascinating. Let's listen to Part one
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percentage who self identify as having a psychological disorder was very low for void for women and men. But once the millennials leave, and now college is all Gen Z, other than veterans or older people coming back, but the ones who are coming out of high school have much, much higher rates of believing that they have a mental disorder. And it's mostly depression and anxiety. Some great work done here at Penn State, you have an institute that collects information from all the counseling centers around the country.
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Why
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are so many students going into the counseling center? What is the reason that they report when they come in through the front door. And the reason as you can see, going back to 2013 2014, to the present, the only things that are going up are anxiety and depression. Nothing else is rising. So it's not that young people today are just so comfortable talking about it. That Oh, I'm you know, I
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have schizophrenia, I
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have bipolar disorder. No, it's only depression and anxiety. It's not even stress. Gen Z does not claim to be more stressed than a previous generation. They just never got the chance to learn how to deal with normal, ordinary, everyday stress. I'll explain why later. So as I mentioned, there is some skepticism. This was in New York Times a few months ago, Richard Friedman saying relax, there is no epidemic and, and nothing. There's no harm caused by devices, your kids playing video games, your kids spending hours and hours a day on devices, relax it, the only the only evidence that it's harming them is self report, the surveys that show that they say that they're more depressed, but you know, they're just more comfortable talking about it. That's his argument in the New York Times. But I believe that he is wrong. And here's why.
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No, I'm liking this. This is good. I've witnessed all of this.
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Yes. And he brings it home with some pretty good documentation. And the concept here is you'll hear in part two and three, is that yes, uh, based on the facts of science based on the science, these devices, which we're talking about computers and phones and your social networks, are ruining people's lives and ruining the future. And he and he did a whole speech about this. I mean, they can pay us to do this.
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Everyone's like we
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wouldn't have we wouldn't be as academic.
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This is data on the percentage of boys that for boys, there's no change. But this is data on the percentage of boys or the sorry, the number of boys out of 100,000 in the population, who are admitted to a hospital each year for cutting themselves or otherwise harming themselves so severely that they required hospitalization and so on. As you see, the youngest boys aged 10 to 14, almost never do that. So the rates are fairly low for boys compared to the girls, which you'll see in a moment. And for boys, there's been no change as we go from 2001 to 2015. But look at the rates for girls much, much higher. Now here I've cut it off at 2009. Much, much higher. This is a manifestation of an anxiety disorder, self harm is a is a is a product of anxiety and anxiety disorders, much higher rates for girls and young women, as you see. But look what happens after 2009. What you see is that for the older teenage girls, the rate has increased 62%. This is not self report. This is not just changing diagnostic criteria. These are hospital admissions. Now, interestingly, the old the oldest group here who are millennials in this data set, the millennials were not affected because as I said, they got social media when they were in college and later, and there's not much evidence that it was harmful in college. I believe I can't I'm working on the lit review. Now there's debate about this. But my understood my conclusion from going through the data is that the problem is getting social media in middle school. And that's a problem, especially for girls. Look what happens to the youngest girls, aged 10 to 14 girls, they didn't use to cut themselves. But their rate has gone up 189% since they got social media in middle school. Wow. Again, I can't prove causality. But I have a lit review online, which I'm working on. I think the evidence does point to social media as being the reason for the huge sex difference in what has happened to teenagers.
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Wait a minute. You mean there's a difference between boys and girls? This will not stand Oh, no need to cancel this guy. This is no good. What he's saying here. This is very dangerous. dishonest.
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Yeah, so it looks like he's got this down. And this is the kind of this being ignored, of course, by everybody, but no agenda show. It's, it's frightening. So let's listen to this last clip, and we'll be done with him.
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It also shows up in suicide. So the suicide rate was relative was higher for males in the 80s and 90s, when there was a huge crime wave and a lot of violence. But it's been stable in the 2000s until recently. So for males, it's up 25%. Now it turns out, most age groups in America are going up, suicide is going down around the world is going up in America for almost all age groups, both sexes. So the rise for boys is actually not not much more than what's happening to older men. But the rise for women's was higher than for men overall. For teen for, for 15 to 19 year old girls, it's up 70%, which is much higher, and for 10 to 14 year old girls with a very low base rate. But for them again, the increase is gigantic 151% increase in preteen girl suicides in this country. So something is going wrong, especially for girls 2015 hit a peak higher than ever recorded before since we've been collecting data. And the last two years after that are right about the same level. So it was not a one year spike. So that's the first mega trend. This affects a lot of things on campus. This is affecting companies, corporations who are beginning to hire Gen Z and are noticing now they have a lot more anxiety in their young employees. So HR departments have to staff up.
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Did he get into any of the specific reasons why this was happening?
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He associates it with social networks. Yeah, but
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why? Why specific? I mean, I can come up with a whole bunch of ideas. But did he specifically say what it is
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about throwing out stats? He's not saying what specific about social networks that causes this? Okay. I don't think it takes a genius to figure it out personally.
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But we discussed something minor,
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maybe it's maybe it's just the movement of the hand. It could be something screwy, or the colors. I mean, you never know. But this is not a good situation. And it's really ruining a lot of stuff. And these kids are screwed up. And they're the ones who are coming in here and there with their, you know, cancer canceled culture there. They buy into that. Yep, yeah. And they get cancelled, and they have all these other problems. He did have one little thing later in his lecture that was kind of interesting. I didn't clip it. But he talked about how the parenting is also changed a lot and may have something to do with it. But pretty much he is dating the way things are.
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It has less to do it and the social networks and the peer groups that are created by it. And I don't have a kid in a Gen Z or even no one that's a Gen Z kid, personally, that I can tap for this kind of information I get with you and me both are loaded up with millennials but it would be nice to talk to
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one of them so that he came onto the scene or onto our scene about five years. years ago with his book, The coddling of the American mind. That's Howard, that is a very good book. It's full title, the coddling of the American mind how good intentions and bad ideas are setting up a generation for failure? Which actually started as an article in The Atlantic. Actually, the article in The Atlantic was 2015. The book came out and they're getting renewed jobs, but the place Yes. And now, I mean, now that I think about it, if you really look at who is saying horrible things, to police officers on the street to people who just disagreement, it seems unscientific observation that women are doing more of that, that there's more unhinged pneus and more ridicule and scorn and anger oozing from females. Now, I'm gonna really pay attention to it. So whenever you see something on the street, and we're someone's yelling, I mean, I think eight times out of 10 it's going to be a female.
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Yeah, hysteric female, that's probably a Gen Z. Which is, what 1920 year olds? Yeah, I
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need to know where the cutoff is, is, where's the cutoff from Gen Z to? Well, isn't it?
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We go, okay.
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Before we go, and while John's doing that'll let you know that next up on no agenda stream.com is grumpy old Ben's and there'll be discussing the aftermath of the 2020 election, which I don't know how you can do that. not over yet. But unless you believe what the media says. And once that sat ladies in I believe it, and then end of show mixes we have mad Mike we've got Rolando Gonzalez and Jessie coy. Nelson's a great, a great trifecta.
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I actually he brings this up I remember the date now. 1995 he born in 1995. That's the beginning of Gen Z.
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Okay. Do we have an under show ISO? I have one. I have one. Maybe this is it. Nine out of 10 of us are hams and got that done? Nothing like a Keith Olbermann Ender show. So everybody Whoo, say by the bill. And I look forward to seeing everybody on Thursday. Come back here fill up that troll room troll to your heart's content because there will be a lot more to deconstruct and discuss as your guardians of reality are on duty. And we will report again on Thursday. And don't worry if you don't feel good if you feel dizzy if it's all getting to you you know what I always say just look at the ground and it will all go away. Coming to you from opportunity's own 33 writing in the section eight housing here in the capital of the drone Star State Austin, Texas, which is FEMA Region number six on the governmental maps if you're looking at where to draw in the morning, everybody I'm Adam curry,
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the whole place is locked up. It looks like when
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the clock strikes.
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The workers just wait
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and get
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ready for their secret count. The trucks have
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corruption in
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the news is
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Joe Biden is
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changing Break.
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town counting plays Trump's
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game.
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Come on.
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Secondly,
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we've put together I think the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.
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No, I'm serious. I'm
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being deadly.
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In 30 seconds,
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man.
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pressure. Right.
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First off,
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let's just back up, because here's the thing.
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I am
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clear that Russia interfered in the election of President of the United States in 2016. I serve on the Senate Intelligence Committee. And we have published detailed reports about exactly what we believe happened. And I do believe that there will be foreign interference in the 2020 election, and that Russia will be at the front of the line.
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We have a president who is trying to convince the American people not to believe in the integrity of our election system and compromise their belief that their vote might actually count. I frankly think that based on this and all we've seen him do before and his Twitter account should be suspended.
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Michigan
3:12:47
Thank you, everyone. Beware, because they're not going
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to stop. They're not going to stop before election
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day November and they're not going to stop. They're not going to let up. And we shouldn't wait. It's the perspective of a woman.
3:13:03
A black child in America was also a
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mother at the age of 19.
3:13:22
Come on Steve.
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In Pennsylvania.
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Watch the cow
3:13:56
Sharpie
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and toss your ballot in the trash.
3:14:31
You say you're gonna vote.
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In Georgia will say water pipes burst.
3:15:13
The Fox News decision desk can now project that former Vice President Joe Biden will win to become the 46th President of the United States.
