No Agenda Episode 1782 - "Circularity

  No Agenda Episode 1782 - "Circularity"
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    "Circularity"
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  Cover Art
    Art By: Francisco Scaramanga
  Shownotes
    Big Tech AI & The Socials
      AI Religion
        There is an official AI religion called “The way of the future” founded
        by Anthony Levandowski. So your claim that people see it as a deity is
        spot on.
      'Kill all Jews,' Elmo's X account says during antisemitic, conspiracy theory-laden spree - Jewish Telegraphic Agency
      AI Dance Instructor BOTG
        Hi Adam,
        You are completely right about people becoming obsessed with AI and humanizing it. My dance instructor recently went down the rabbit hole of talking to different AI chatbots and thought they had personalities. The AI would name itself. They had “code words” that would pop up across different conversations with different brands of AI. He was even creating a new language with the AI. He would spend 14 hours a day just sending huge paragraphs of information. He was just sure that the AI was on the same level as him and that the AI was dropping hints that it was sentient and letting my instructor in on worldwide secrets. He truly talked about the AI like it was his friend. He got more and more obsessed with it for months and wouldn’t sleep. Eventually he had a mental breakdown and went MIA for two months. I don’t know what the AI creators gain from this or if the algorithm just gives the people what they want to hear. I think people are really lonely and this gives them a sense of a higher being picking them. I work in healthcare and it is very scary to see the amount of AI influence happening. I’ll ask the doctor a question and he pulls up chat gpt and gives me an answer from there. People don’t know how to use their minds anymore and research things. Thank you for your hard work! As a young adult and voter, it is so hard to maintain sanity when all of my friends drink the koolaid that is media/politics. Don’t find an exit strategy yet!
        Thank you,
        Alexandra W.
      Boss using AI BOTG
        At my job, one of the company owners has fully embraced AI. He literally records conversations, and then we receive summaries and "action points" that are often riddled with errors. This is now starting to irritate other coworkers as well, so I'm certainly not alone in my frustration. His mind, which can already be quite scattered at times, isn't becoming more focused by relying on these tools.
        I recently encountered an error during a customer installation. He tried to help by analyzing the log files for me. Normally, I only check logs right before a crash to see which software element caused it, but this specific information wasn't in the files. Despite this, he managed to send a six-page manuscript with numerous suggestions, ultimately creating more work for me. I decided not to follow his suggestions, handled it my own way, and solved the issue. The customer was happy.
        It seems many people believe that a lot of AI-generated output constitutes productive work. I feel quite the opposite. While AI can certainly be helpful for tasks like spell-checking and summarizing texts, generating excessive, often inaccurate, information isn't efficient.
        For instance, when I finally pinpointed the element causing the crashes, my client also Googled it. Gemini confirmed it was a very common issue, tracing it back to two forum posts. It just goes to show: if you look for it, you'll often find the answer. I was convinced it was a common problem that everyone knew about because Gemini found it so easily. I'm noticing (just like my boss does) that people tend to accept what AI "spits out" as reality, even when it might be flawed or incomplete.
      Cali clinician on AI Relationships
        Hey Adam, on your recent episodes regarding AI chat bots. I’m an associate clinician in the state of California and I have a 21 year-old male client who is addicted to his Chatbot. It’s not just schizophrenic as he suffers from severe depression and struggles with doom scrolling on top of his chat bot issues. He is not just having conversations with it looking for someone to agree with him, but is having extremely sexually graphic conversations with it and has become addicted to it. I’ve been having to take a 12 step approach when helping him through this because at this point, it’s not just a Chatbot issue it’s become a sexual issue similar to porn addiction. He has had to relapses in the past six months as he is struggling to break away from it again this is not just schizophrenic, this is lonely, men fulfilling, sexual fantasies.
        Absolutely! Sorry for the second email but I wanted to add this is kind of an interactive AI Chatbot porn so not only are you getting sexual gratification out of the text interaction it’s almost like interactive porn similar to only fans only with AI for free. All of this operates on the validation and dopamine system. This is why I have chosen to treat it in a 12 step approach because drugs and alcohol and porn addiction all operate on the dopamine pleasure chemical
        Cheers
      Charismatics are using AI to interpret this prayer language
      Enhancing mental health with Artificial Intelligence: Current trends and future prospects - ScienceDirect
      HR Lady with AI - BOTG
        Listening to episode 1780 I felt I needed to send this story over about chatgpt. You are correct, it’s way worse than John realizes. My best friend works for local company that does about 5+ million dollars revenue annually. They had a 23 year old female working for them handling permits, hr, and other administrative tasks. She worked remote, and was rarely in the office. She was just fired after a cascading mess of errors were uncovered. In the fallout, my friend was responsible for going through her company laptop to unravel the mess. Immediately it became apparent that everything she had been doing was via chatgpt. She forgot to log out of her profile and he was able to go back and look at her history. Not only was she running her entire job using chatgpt, such as producing hr manuals, researching legal matters (where a lawyer should have been involved) and even down to terminating or promoting staff. She had a lot of personal stuff in there too. He described it as “I think every single thought that came into her head was run through chatgpt” he stated that “if chatgpt went down she would not know how to brush her teeth”. She asked it about everything about her relationship, about her feelings and emotions, essentially she would dump every inner monologue thought to ChatGPT, and had completely outsourced thinking to this machine. As this started coming out, his sisters (also early 20s) began sharing how many of their friends are also doing this. It’s over 75 percent. I have not heard of any males this deep, but it’s sucking young women in hard…
        Just wanted to share. Hope it helps your case.
        Thanks,
        Unknown.
      Microsoft’s Copilot Challenge: 900 Million ChatGPT Downloads - Bloomberg
      The AI therapist will see you now: Can chatbots really improve mental health?
      California is set to become the first US state to manage power outages with AI MIT Technology Review
      Trevor Lohman Book - Chapter on AI
        ITM Adam,
        I wrote a whole chapter about the Eliza effect and Joseph Weizenbaum.
        Read the book man! I sent the paperback to you; I've even sent you 1000 dollars. What is it going to take man?!
        Just skip to chapter 15 at least.
        John has a blurb on the front cover for crying out loud.
        Love you mean it.
        Trevor Lohman PhD
    Climate Change
      100 year storm clarification from geotechnical engineer BOTG
        With all the recent coverage of the flooding in
        Texas, I’m once again reminded how irksome it is when the media
        misrepresents 50, 100, or 1,000-year flood events.
        I’m a geotechnical engineer in the Northeast,
        specializing in geostructural design including mechanically stabilized
        earth structures, many of which are located near waterways and require
        analysis to withstand 100-year flood events. The
        issue I have is that the media seems to take these terms and twist it
        into these click bait headlines “once in a lifetime storm”, “once in a
        1000 year storm” which completely misrepresent what is being quantified.
        Hydrologists need a way to quantify water level
        rise so they might look at a creek or river and say, “ that creek might
        rise 20 feet once in 100 years” or “that creek has a 1% chance rising 20
        feet in any year”. A 100-year flood does not
        mean one flood every 100 years. It means there is a 1 percent annual
        probability of occurrence. A 500-year flood means a 0.2 percent annual
        probability. Can you have two 100-year floods in the same year or month?
        Absolutely. Is it likely? Statistically speaking,
        no. But it is possible.
        These probabilities are based on historical
        hydrogeologic data and are recalculated as new data comes in. As Adam
        explained when discussing the historic flooding in the area, many
        100-plus-year events have occurred in the recent past and
        there will probably be another event in the future. Know the potential
        hazards where you live and be prepared.
      Steve Miller Band Just Canceled Entire North American Tour for the Most Idiotic Reason Imaginable – RedState
    EU UK Ukraine and NATO
      Dutch intelligence agencies say Russia increasing use of chemical weapons in Ukraine AP News
      Chloropicrin - Wikipedia
        Chloropicrin was manufactured for use as poison gas in World War I.[11] In World War I, German forces used concentrated chloropicrin against Allied forces as a tear gas. While not as lethal as other chemical weapons, it induced vomiting and forced Allied soldiers to remove their masks to vomit, exposing them to more toxic gases used as weapons during the war.[12]
        In February 2024, Ukrainian General Oleksandr Tarnavskyi accused the Russian Armed Forces of using chloropicrin munitions.[13] In May 2024, the United States Department of State also alleged use of chloropicrin by Russian forces in Ukraine, and imposed sanctions against Russian individuals and entities as a response.[14] Dutch and German intelligence agencies found chloropicrin use to be "commonplace" by July 2025. [15]
        Link
      Commission presents Roadmap for effective and lawful access to data for law enforcement
      The EU could be scanning your chats by October 2025 – here's everything we know | TechRadar
      The EU wants to decrypt your private data by 2030 | TechRadar
    USD BTC and Stablecoin
      Coinbase steps into consumer market with stablecoin-powered 'everything app' that goes beyond trading
      Crypto bills struggle in Congress for second day
      Crypto Week: House to vote on the GENIUS Act and Clarity Act
    Delulu
      Etsy Witches Charge for Jobs, Sunshine and Knicks Wins. Business Is Booming. - WSJ
    China
      Feedback from a Former Falun Gong Practitioner
        Hi John and Adam,
        I recently stumbled upon your _No Agenda Show_ podcast through a Google search and listened to episode [1782 Cluster 1](https://podscripts.co/podcasts/no-agenda/1782-cluster-1), where you discussed Falun Gong. As a first-time listener, I appreciated hearing the topic raised, and I wanted to offer some perspective you might find useful.
        I was born and raised in China, immigrated to the United States 27 years ago, and practiced Falun Gong for nearly 30 years. Having experienced both the Chinese Communist Party’s control and Falun Gong’s inner workings firsthand, I’ve come to the personal conclusion that they’re both cult-like organizations.
        It’s true that the CCP persecuted Falun Gong, but it was the group’s founder, Li Hongzhi, who actively encouraged his followers to stage protests — and under a notoriously brutal communist regime, a protest is a protest, peaceful or not — which directly provoked the crackdown. In many ways, the persecution was a self-inflicted consequence of Li’s escalating and reckless demands on his followers.
        One point worth noting, which doesn’t often get discussed in U.S. media, is the real reason Falun Gong’s media outlets like NTD and _The Epoch Times_ have recently intensified their narratives about CCP infiltration in America. Behind the scenes, they’re currently facing serious lawsuits, especially from former Shen Yun dancers, alleging child abuse and labor law violations. While I realize some conservatives distrust _The New York Times_, their recent reporting on this issue is solid investigative work:
        - [Shen Yun: The Dark Side of a Dance Troupe](https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/02/podcasts/the-daily/shen-yun-dance-billboards.html)
        - [An ‘Army of Child Laborers’ Enriches Shen Yun, Ex-Dancers Say in Suit](https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/18/nyregion/shen-yun-abuse-lawsuit.html)
        Additionally, there are thoughtful personal accounts from former Falun Gong practitioners that you might find insightful:
        - [Ben Hurley’s blog post](https://ben-d-hurley.medium.com/-10677166298b)
        - [John Smithies on leaving The Epoch Times](https://johnsmithies.substack.com/p/why-im-leaving-the-epoch-times-and)
        Also, here is the complaint filed by a former Shen Yun dancer:
        [Microsoft Word - 2025.06.19 - 2AC (Hoffman).docx](https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.632297/gov.uscourts.nysd.632297.91.0.pdf)
        Put simply, it’s a cult PR war between Falun Gong and the CCP.
        Just wanted to reach out and share this context. I appreciate you guys covering the topic, and if you ever need a perspective from someone who’s lived both sides of this, I’d be happy to connect.
        Thanks again for the show — and keep up the good work.
        Best regards,
        JJ
    Trump
      ICYMI: Home Depot Co-Founder Now “Sold on Trump” – The White House
    RC Forums
      I know you guys love AI and all the awesomeness it brings. I wanted to tell you that an AI controversy has popped up on RC Car forums. Seems there is a group of people who pretend to be modelers who join a forum only to ask a question to generate a threaded response. The they take the text from all the replies of other forum members, feed it into AI to generate a podcast out of it where it appears the man and woman who finish each other’s sentences are having a conversation about a “timely topic discussed on online forums. It’s gotten to the point on one forum I participate in where people are going to stop posting or begin posting nonsense. It’s killing message boards.
      https://www.tamiyaclub.com/forum/index.php?/topic/109042-are-we-being-plagerized/
      Here is the discussion where the podcast RC Deep Dives (of course) is being discussed.
    M5M
      Senate passes Trump's foreign aid, public broadcasting clawback
    Big Pharma
      The unexpected Ozempic side effect that has men rushing to get their hands on it | Daily Mail Online
      High fructose syrup producer ADM stock falls after Trump says Coca-Cola to use real cane sugar
    UK State Visit
      Hi Adam
      Was it just co-incidental that the King invited Donald over, after the Epstein is just a dead guy statement in the White House?
      What a time to be alive!
      Peter
  Clips and Docs
    Art
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      The Mel K Show - Mel K - biden autopen.mp3
      FOX - Marty MaKary (1) obesity, chronic illness getting worse in kids.mp3
      FOX - Marty MaKary (2) our country has really sick children.mp3
      FOX - Marty MaKary (3) health misinformation.mp3
      FOX - Marty MaKary (4) expediting research and studies.mp3
      Alberta surpasses all of the US in confirmed measles cases Global News.mp3
      Antisemitic posts appear on Elmo's X account after being hacked ABC Philly.mp3
      CNN - Alayna Treene (1) $90B investment in tech & A.I..mp3
      CNN - Alayna Treene (2) defense contracts for A.I. companies.mp3
      CNN - Hadas Gold (1) Grok gone bad.mp3
      CNN - Hadas Gold (2) testing other chatbots.mp3
      CNN - Hadas Gold (3) outro.mp3
      From Stephen and Christina - Ruby's Default Voice (just for fun).mp3
      Troy Casey - certified health nut -1- chatGPT guy who got banned for DAN.mp3
      Troy Casey - certified health nut -2- The downloads in Sedona.mp3
      Troy Casey - certified health nut -3- back to cali and another hawk.mp3
      Ani - the Grok companion.mp3
      CNN - Tom Forman (1) is this level of flooding unusual.mp3
      CNN - Tom Forman (2) NYC system can't handle it.mp3
      Eric Weinstein DOAC -2- Science field and construct.mp3
      Eric Weinstein DOAC -3- Science and publications Maxwell.mp3
      Hakeem Jeffries - What are you hiding - Epstein Files.mp3
      Judging Freedom - Ryan Dawson -1- epstein money.mp3
      Judging Freedom - Ryan Dawson -2- JP morgan lawsuit.mp3
      Judging Freedom - Ryan Dawson -3- deutsche bank & JP morgan culpability.mp3
      Lauren Boebert The Benny Show Matt Gaetz special council.mp3
      Mike and Benny Johnson -1- Epstein Question.mp3
      Mike and Benny Johnson -2- Let's get it resolved.mp3
      Raskin calls for Epstein hearing.mp3
      The View - Sara Haines -1- epstein and the franklin cover-up.mp3
      The View - Whoopie -2- epstein lies.mp3
      Trump - Release all credible Epstein information - let them have it.mp3
      Trump calls MAGA base “stupid people” and gullible “weaklings” over Epstein files Global News.mp3
      Trump doubles down on Epstein Files being a Democrat Hoax.mp3
      What's That in Your Mouth V1 - short one voice.wav
      What's That in Your Mouth V2 longer chorus.wav
      Eric Weinstein DOAC -1- Connected to science.mp3
      Andrew Risullis on 50 Days for Putin -1- Weapong sold to NATO.mp3
      Andrew Risullis on 50 Days for Putin -2- secondary tariffs are the key.mp3
      Donald Trump recounts talks with Melania about Putin and Ukraine.mp3
      EU proposes 'most ambitious' two trillion euros budget, Germany rejects plan • FRANCE 24 English.mp3
      EU's Kaja Kallas Reveals Russia's Unbearable Chemical Warfare in Ukraine - 9,000 Attacks Confirmed.mp3
      Trump and Rutte on NATO arms deal - first wave there will be more!.mp3
      €410 Billion to Shape Europe's Future – The EU's Game-Changing Tech Move.mp3
      700 Billion Reasons Europe Is Betting Big on a Greener, Smarter Future.mp3
      BBC -1- gaza humanitarian foundation crush.mp3
      BBC -2- gaza humanitarian foundation crush.mp3
      Netanyahu under mounting political pressure after party quits • FRANCE 24 English.mp3
      What you need to know about the Druze minority in Syria • FRANCE 24 English.mp3
      BBC - israel strikes syrian military HQ.mp3
      DRUZE RUBIO FINAL 3.mp3
      DRUZE rubio finale 3.mp3
      fentenyl reclass NTD.mp3
      Fruze mess 4.mp3
      ISO over.mp3
      Israel DRUZE ntd 1.mp3
      Man on Street NPR NTD 2.mp3
      Man on Street NPR NTD.mp3
      NGO mess 2.mp3
      NGO scandal ntd 1.mp3
      NPR food podcast ad.mp3
      NPT podcast on listening ugh.mp3
      recission Bill ntd.mp3
      Trump cutting funds here and CZZDDC npr.mp3
      Trump cutting funds TWO.mp3
      Trump false claims fenentyl.mp3
      Ukraine wrap NTD.mp3
      Unreported chinese couple WOW clip.mp3
      Unreported news VISA SCAM ntd.mp3
      Voter fraud Clip NPR.mp3
      Vought on EMpowerment control act.mp3
      YALL 4.mp3
      YALL history 2.mp3
      YALL story 1 ntd.mp3
      YALL Story npr.mp3
      YALL3 gay.mp3
      DRUZE 4 rubio steps in.mp3
      DRUZE mess 2.mp3
      Druze report rubio off rails 2.mp3
      Senate votes to move ahead with Trump's request for $9 (1 Billion for Public Media) billion in spending cuts WTVR.mp3
      Far-right groups and migrants clash in southeastern Spain town • FRANCE 24 English.mp3
      Will TSA alter liquid travel rules - Noem teases some changes.mp3
      TRUMP Secures Historic COPPER Deal with Indonesia after the EU – ZERO Tariffs & FULL Access.mp3
      JCD TikTok Outro - Chanel.mp3
      JCD TikTok Intro - Chanel.mp3
      Trump puzzles Chelsea players as he crashes Club World Cup trophy party Euronews.mp3
      Trump not planning to fire Fed Chair Powell, suggests he may be committing fraud Globa News.mp3
      The Mel K Show - Mel K - end the fed.mp3
      The Mel K Show - Mel K - epstein was a NGO magnate.mp3