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		<outline text="&lt;b&gt;Podcasting 2.0 October 16th 2026 Episode 275 - &quot;Off The Rails&quot;&lt;/b&gt;" _expanded="true">
			<outline text="What is the future of independent Podcast apps. OR any apps for the matter? Adam and Dave don't agree" created="Fri, 16 Oct 2026 19:33:47 GMT"/>
			<outline text="Adam went on Podnews Weekly Review and told Sam Sethi he doesn't see the need for podcast apps at all. The same episode announced Castro has been sold to the company that turns indie apps into reskins of Player FM. Dave says every podcaster needs a direct way to get paid, today. Plus the new terms of service meet their first customers, a feed for people, and video in the alternate enclosure."/>
			<outline text="On the docket: Adam on PNWR, Castro to Maple Media, indie apps at 31% of UK downloads, ad blockers and the app stores, x402 and agentic payments, the v2.0 terms in the inbox, podcast:person for fictional characters and a personGUID, Podnews video via the alternate enclosure, partytime3, and broken splits again."/>
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		<outline text="&lt;b&gt;ShowNotes&lt;/b&gt;" _expanded="true">
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			<outline text="01 - 🎙️ THE ROBOT GOES ON PNWR — &quot;I DON'T SEE THE NECESSITY FOR PODCAST APPS&quot; (summary, no clips)" _expanded="true">
				<outline text="Podnews Weekly Review, 16 Oct — &quot;Adam Curry's AI Podcast Future&quot; (1h29m; Adam, 4:00–53:45)" type="link" url="https://www.buzzsprout.com/1538779/episodes/19971325-adam-curry-s-ai-podcast-future"/>
				<outline text="&lt;b&gt;Sam's setup:&lt;/b&gt; on our last show Adam &quot;changed Dave Jones' mind… from a skeptic to a believer&quot;. Adam: &quot;I went back and listened… &lt;b&gt;the first thing that Dave went to was advertising.&lt;/b&gt; It seems like anything with podcasting always evolves around advertising, even though… we don't have advertising on our podcast.&quot;"/>
				<outline text="&lt;b&gt;On Muse and the &quot;spying&quot; story:&lt;/b&gt; &quot;Muse is collecting all this data, it's making files of every single one of your friends… &lt;b&gt;That is a feature, not a bug.&lt;/b&gt;&quot; — and the five machines at home running local models."/>
				<outline text="&lt;b&gt;Sam:&lt;/b&gt; Reddit removed RSS and charged for its API ($43M from selling data); Lightning/L402 &quot;worked for a while, but then… legislation and technical challenges.&quot; Will clients pay x402 to reach the Index through the MCP? &lt;b&gt;Adam:&lt;/b&gt; &quot;I don't see the necessity for YouTube apps, podcast apps, email apps… all clients that access all data will be some version of an agent working on the user's behalf.&quot; And: &quot;&lt;b&gt;Amazon did the stupidest thing ever by blocking Muse.&lt;/b&gt;&quot;"/>
				<outline text="&lt;b&gt;On the newsletter:&lt;/b&gt; &quot;40% of all value for value revenue always comes after we send the newsletter.&quot;"/>
				<outline text="&lt;b&gt;On RSS:&lt;/b&gt; &quot;RSS stays. It's a perfect format… no different from HTTP or SMTP.&quot; Podcast Index Robot &quot;goes into this structured RSS feed, which is very low overhead.&quot;"/>
				<outline text="&lt;b&gt;On podcast apps:&lt;/b&gt; &quot;Podcast apps has been probably the crappiest part of the entire podcasting business. It's truly a labor of love… Do you want to be an interim step in between the data and the user? Maybe, but I don't know.&quot; And on Godcaster: &quot;We're in the app business too… same issues apply.&quot;"/>
				<outline text="&lt;b&gt;The clean-feed line:&lt;/b&gt; Adam had his Omarchy box build a Cleanfeed-equivalent into his playout — &quot;I'm gonna probably cancel my subscription, which is only $36.&quot;"/>
				<outline text="&lt;b&gt;Sam's close:&lt;/b&gt; TrueFans is building &quot;Kevin and Kelly&quot; as experimental agents on the Index fire hose. Afterward, to James: &quot;Adam Curry is very smart and he can use it&quot; — but normal people won't. James: &quot;I don't think normal people will be doing that, will they?&quot;"/>
				<outline text="&lt;b&gt;And the follow-up on Mastodon.&lt;/b&gt; Sam posted a Fintech Times piece on agentic payments &quot;after all the chat with Adam and Dave about micropayments 2.0 using X.402&quot;; Adam: &quot;&lt;b&gt;The power will shift to consumer power with agentic negotiation between vendors of goods and services.&lt;/b&gt;&quot;" type="link" url="https://podcastindex.social/@adam/117444815477511023"/>
				<outline text="Fintech Times: the real barrier to agentic payments is not the AI" type="link" url="https://thefintechtimes.com/news-views-podcast-the-real-barrier-to-agentic-payments-is-not-the-ai/"/>
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			<outline text="02 - 🚫 WILL APPLE LET THE ROBOT SKIP THE ADS?" _expanded="true">
				<outline text="&lt;b&gt;aegrumet, under Adam's 274 post:&lt;/b&gt; &quot;I still think you're underestimating the pressure that will fall on platforms to create and enforce TOS that forbids this stuff… &lt;b&gt;the tech is ahead of the policy, and… the latter will eventually catch up.&lt;/b&gt;&quot;" type="link" url="https://podcastindex.social/@aegrumet/117424368148654254"/>
				<outline text="&lt;b&gt;Dave:&lt;/b&gt; &quot;You're saying you think Apple will change their terms to prohibit local on device models from assisting in ad skipping?&quot; … &quot;&lt;b&gt;Ad blockers are already allowed on the AppStore and PlayStore&lt;/b&gt;… a popular Reddit ad/nag blocker and things like 1Blocker for Safari… &lt;b&gt;Neither Apple, nor Google serve podcast ads&lt;/b&gt;.&quot;" type="link" url="https://podcastindex.social/@dave/117427465672916264"/>
				<outline text="&lt;b&gt;aegrumet's last word:&lt;/b&gt; Google and Apple &quot;are fundamentally different with respect to ads. Hence Chrome is much more aggressive with respect to blocking the blockers. I don't see the current moment as a policy so much as a lack of one.&quot;"/>
				<outline text="&lt;b&gt;Sam on PNWR:&lt;/b&gt; &quot;This week Apple blocked Muse, and so did Amazon&quot; — agents doing price checks and arbitrage. TrueFans built a web application firewall off JS's bot list because AI bots were running up its MongoDB bill."/>
				<outline text="&lt;b&gt;Dave on Spotify, boosted:&lt;/b&gt; &quot;Spotify harnessing hundreds of dev hours and the power of 3 supercomputers to change what the like button does again.&quot;" type="link" url="https://tomkahe.com/@tom/117424481628102191"/>
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			<outline text="03 - 🏷️ NAMESPACE — A FEED FOR PEOPLE, AND VIDEO IN THE ALTERNATE ENCLOSURE" _expanded="true">
				<outline text="&lt;b&gt;podcast:person for fictional characters&lt;/b&gt; (discussion #498). Dave: &quot;Makes great sense.&quot;" type="link" url="https://github.com/Podcastindex-org/podcast-namespace/discussions/498#discussioncomment-18772440"/>
				<outline text="&lt;b&gt;Nathan Gathright:&lt;/b&gt; propose a &lt;b&gt;personGUID&lt;/b&gt; attribute pointing at a &lt;b&gt;medium=person&lt;/b&gt; feed — so &quot;Tap on a person, open up a list of their podcast appearances&quot; works for every podcast:person tag. alecksgates: &quot;the problem is no source of truth.&quot; Mitch: maybe a publisher or playlist feed referenced with a guid. Sam: TrueFans tried this two years ago and is &quot;reliant on the hosts first implementing support for the person tag.&quot;" type="link" url="https://podcastindex.social/@dave/117413318081047105"/>
				<outline text="&lt;b&gt;Adam replied: &quot;SOPML!!&quot;&lt;/b&gt; Mitch asked the robot what Adam meant — &quot;Adam Curry almost certainly meant SOPML = Social OPML&quot; — and: &quot;thanks to transcripts and BoK, you can now communicate in mere grunts.&quot; Dave: &quot;lol!&quot;" type="link" url="https://podcastindex.social/@mitch/117437255403581192"/>
				<outline text="&lt;b&gt;Podnews ships video through the alternate enclosure&lt;/b&gt; (Liquid Studios pilot): Spotify, LinkedIn, TrueFans, Pocket Casts, YouTube — &quot;Not on Apple Podcasts, sadly.&quot; Podcast Guru: works, but now needs a switch-to-video toggle &quot;since it's not HLS.&quot; Dave: &quot;Assuming you chose mp4 since Apple Podcasts doesn't play HLS out of the alternate enclosure yet?&quot; James: &quot;mp4 because that's all I can produce… I don't really want to serve HLS, given it's massively more expensive to serve.&quot; Podcast Guru: &quot;honestly you're the first podcaster we've seen doing it. 😆&quot;" type="link" url="https://podcastindex.social/@dave/117444545984036459"/>
				<outline text="&lt;b&gt;partytime3:&lt;/b&gt; Nathan's agent listed the partytime parser bugs it hit; Dave: &quot;I'll post the partytime3 code shortly and see what is still outstanding.&quot;" type="link" url="https://gist.github.com/nathangathright/23584bc9d32c31db58ec482e7cbf80f0"/>
				<outline text="&lt;b&gt;#794 closed:&lt;/b&gt; JS fixed the podcast:guid example XML with a valid UUID." type="link" url="https://github.com/Podcastindex-org/podcast-namespace/pull/794"/>
				<outline text="🔍 &lt;b&gt;For Dave:&lt;/b&gt; is partytime3 out?"/>
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