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		<outline text="&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Podcasting 2.0 September 25th 2026 Episode 272 - &amp;quot;Is this Y&amp;#x27;all?&amp;quot;&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;" _expanded="true">
			<outline text="Adam &amp; Dave are joined by Sam Sethi, CEO of TrueFans and co-host of Podnews Weekly Review. CIA extractions and Juice Boxes were discussed!" created="Fri, 25 Sep 2026 19:51:41 GMT"/>
			<outline text="Dave spent the week inside the Podcast Index database — the whole API moved to the new schema, then the feed aggregators picked a fight and he won it by lunchtime. And Sam Sethi joins us, three days after turning sixty, to talk about the thing he asked to talk about: SuperFeeds, Publisher Feeds and Network Feeds."/>
			<outline text="On the docket: the schema is live and the search ranking is fixed, an all-out brawl with the feed aggregators, our guest Sam Sethi on SuperFeeds and why the future of micropayments might not be Bitcoin, somebody trademarking Superfeed while Sam ships them, podcast:person finally gets multiple roles, Meta&amp;#x27;s Muse reads your text messages and then hands over its own root filesystem, and a Podnews Weekly Review that did not happen because our guest had a birthday party."/>
			<outline text="&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;The only board meeting that doesn&amp;#x27;t care about the mid term elections&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;"/>
			<outline text="&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;I&amp;#x27;m Adam Curry in the Heart of the Texas Hill Country&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;"/>
			<outline text="&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;And in Alabama, the man who  went to war with the feed aggregators before breakfast and posted a database graph as a riddle -- &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Say hello to my Friend on the other End — Dave Jones!&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;"/>
			<outline text="&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;And our guest today, in from Marlow:&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; the CEO of TrueFans, co-host of Podnews Weekly Review, and as of last weekend a sexagenarian who would like it noted that &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;&amp;quot;growing old is mandatory but growing up is optional&amp;quot;&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; -- &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Sam Sethi!&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;"/>
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		<outline text="&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;ShowNotes&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;" _expanded="true">
			<outline text="00 - 🗄️ THE SCHEMA IS LIVE — AND THEN THE AGGREGATORS PICKED A FIGHT">
				<outline text="&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Dave has already told us this one is his: &amp;quot;Will explain in the board meeting tomorrow.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;"/>
				<outline text="&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Mon 22 Sep — the cutover lands:&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; &amp;quot;#api &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;All api endpoints are now live with the new database schema.&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; Bug reports welcome. I&amp;#x27;m tired. 😅&amp;quot;"/>
				<outline text="@dave — all endpoints live on the new schema" type="link" url="https://podcastindex.social/@dave"/>
				<outline text="&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Tue 23 Sep — and now the real work:&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; &amp;quot;Now comes the post-deploy quality testing of the Index as a whole. &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Now that we have an audit trail for every feed&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; we will need to &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;walk every podcast in the Index&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; to see where it stands and what metadata needs reconciling.&amp;quot;"/>
				<outline text="&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;New tables in the dump:&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; &amp;quot;@js There are new tables in the ndjson dump now. 😉&amp;quot; · &amp;quot;@js You&amp;#x27;re the guinea pig. Let me know if anything looks off.&amp;quot;"/>
				<outline text="&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;On breakage, to Mitch (Podverse):&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; &amp;quot;Any additional parameters should be additive. &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;The overall shape of the response should not change.&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; There *shouldn&amp;#x27;t* be any breakage unless the client is doing a Rust style strict type coercion. But, I wouldn&amp;#x27;t expect that to be common since JSON is fragile.&amp;quot;"/>
				<outline text="&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Thu 24 Sep — the brawl, in four posts:&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;"/>
				<outline text="12:10 — &amp;quot;#api &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Adding 2 new indexes on the feeds table.&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; Expect the api to choke for a few minutes until this completes.&amp;quot;"/>
				<outline text="14:38 — &amp;quot;#api &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;All out brawl with the feed aggregators this morning. I&amp;#x27;m about to win though.&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;&amp;quot;"/>
				<outline text="17:08 — &amp;quot;&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Battle is over. The war is ongoing.&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;&amp;quot;"/>
				<outline text="20:02 — &amp;quot;#api I fixed a huge problem with the feed aggregators. Based on this snapshot of our database metrics, &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;can you guess at roughly what time that happened?&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;&amp;quot; · 20:03 — &amp;quot;&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Network throughput up. CPU and disk rate down. It&amp;#x27;s a win-win.&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;&amp;quot;"/>
				<outline text="&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;🔍 The question for Dave:&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; what were the aggregators actually doing — hammering the feeds, or something subtler that the new audit trail made visible for the first time? And what did the two indexes fix?"/>
				<outline text="&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;19:13 — the bug he flagged for today:&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; &amp;quot;#api There was a problem with &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;search ranking in the search/byterm endpoint&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; after switching the db schema. This should be fixed now. &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Will explain in the board meeting tomorrow.&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;&amp;quot;"/>
				<outline text="&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Loose end:&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; @ChadF, 24 Sep — &amp;quot;@dave looks like &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;podcaster wallet is returning the old node address&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;.&amp;quot; Not visibly answered yet."/>
				<outline text="&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Also closed this week:&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; docs-api #160, &amp;quot;BUG: Wrong season number in some episodes&amp;quot; — season 14 coming back as 4." type="link" url="https://github.com/Podcastindex-org/docs-api/issues/160"/>
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			<outline text="01 - 🎤 GUEST: SAM SETHI — TRUEFANS, AND THE THREE FEEDS HE ASKED TO TALK ABOUT">
				<outline text="&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;He set this agenda himself.&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; 22 Sep, to Dave: &amp;quot;thank you my friend. When are we going to get you back on PWR and equally &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;I would love to come back on P2.0 to talk about SuperFeeds, Publisher Feeds and Network Feeds&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;.&amp;quot;"/>
				<outline text="@samsethi — the ask (22 Sep)" type="link" url="https://podcastindex.social/@samsethi"/>
				<outline text="&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;📦 1. SUPERFEEDS — what he has actually shipped&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;"/>
				<outline text="His own definition, 19 Jul: &amp;quot;Traditional RSS feeds were designed to distribute podcast episodes, with the audio attached using the enclosure tag. Then came Podcasting 2.0, introducing &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;more than 30 new namespace tags&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;… A SuperFeed lets you combine much more than audio or video. Alongside your podcast episodes you can include &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;blog posts, publisher updates, events, premium paid content — all delivered through a single RSS feed&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;.&amp;quot;"/>
				<outline text="&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;The bit that matters for the Index:&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; SuperFeeds started (Jul 2024) as &amp;quot;the ability for a podcaster to &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;add any new Podcasting 2.0 tag to their existing RSS feed&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; and then publish the new TrueFans RSS feed to the Podcast Index &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;while staying with their existing host&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;&amp;quot; — a free claim-and-enrich service that keeps the enclosure with the original host."/>
				<outline text="&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Where it is now:&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; two experimental tags added Apr 2026 — &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;podcast:pinned&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; and &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;podcast:store&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; — plus podroll and publisher feeds, with events and merch built on the publisher-feed pattern. &amp;quot;Our goal is to allow creators to &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;build a SuperFeed by picking what elements are added&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; to their RSS feed.&amp;quot;"/>
				<outline text="&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;And the anti-Patreon argument, 7 May:&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; &amp;quot;Apple&amp;#x27;s proprietary API for HLS video doesn&amp;#x27;t use RSS. &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;TrueFans is going the other way.&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; We are building Super RSS feeds with &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Audio, Video and Freemium/Premium RSS in the same feed. No need for Patreon private feeds.&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;&amp;quot;"/>
				<outline text="🔍 &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Ask:&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; if a SuperFeed is one feed containing podcast + blog + events + merch + premium, &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;what does an app do with the items it does not understand?&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; Is there a medium or a filter, or does every app have to learn every type?"/>
				<outline text="&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;📡 2. PUBLISHER FEEDS — and the pattern he keeps reusing&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;"/>
				<outline text="He builds everything on remote items off the publisher feed: &amp;quot;&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;We will add NEW Events and Merchant tags based on the publisher feed&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;&amp;quot; — `&amp;amp;lt;podcast:publisher&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;podcast:remoteItem medium=&amp;quot;publisher&amp;quot; feedUrl=&amp;quot;https://feeds.truefans.fm/rss/publishers/…&amp;quot; /&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/podcast:publisher&amp;amp;gt;`"/>
				<outline text="&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Event feed proposal, 1 Aug:&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; &amp;quot;We are proposing a &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;new EVENT feed based on the Publisher Feed&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;&amp;quot; — events in the admin dashboard appear on the podcast page; tickets sold externally or in-app via Apple Pay / Stripe. Live example: the Cheerful Earful Comedy Festival on one page." type="link" url="https://truefans.fm/awards/cheerful-earful"/>
				<outline text="&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Merch — the StoreFront proposal, 31 Aug:&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; &amp;quot;TrueFans recently added a new experimental tag for RSS feeds called &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Podcast:StoreFront&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;. The aim of this StoreFront tag is to &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;mirror the Funding tag&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;&amp;quot; — a URL to a third-party store (Amazon, Sticker Mule, Shopify) puts a shop icon on the page. Later: products hosted in TrueFans, paid in fiat via Stripe or in SATs."/>
				<outline text="🔍 &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Ask Dave:&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; is the publisher-feed-with-remote-items pattern the right substrate for events and merch, or is this three tags that each want their own medium?"/>
				<outline text="&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;🕸️ 3. NETWORK FEEDS — the one nobody has seen yet&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;"/>
				<outline text="&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;This is new.&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; He has posted publicly about SuperFeeds since 2024 and Publisher Feeds since 2024 — but &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;&amp;quot;Network Feeds&amp;quot; appears exactly once anywhere on podcastindex.social: in his 22 Sep ask&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;. There is no proposal, no example feed, no thread. &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;This is the scoop of the segment — let him define it live.&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;"/>
				<outline text="🔍 &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Ask:&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; what is a Network Feed, and how is it not just a publisher feed with more members? Who owns it — the network or the shows? What happens to a show that leaves?"/>
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			<outline text="02 - 💳 SAM ON PAYMENTS — &amp;quot;THE FUTURE IS MICROPAYMENTS… BUT MAYBE NOT BITCOIN&amp;quot;" _expanded="true">
				<outline text="&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;🚨 This is the live wire of the episode.&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; V4V was built on Lightning and SATs. Our guest — who has shipped a SATs wallet — is now saying the rail may be wrong."/>
				<outline text="&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;24 Sep, in his own words:&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; &amp;quot;We also just enabled &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Paypal, Amazon Pay, Samsung Pay&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; to go alongside Apple/Google Pay and Bank. I am now looking at &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Stablecoin&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; as an option. &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;I still [think] the future is micropayments direct from fan to creator but maybe not Bitcoin.&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;&amp;quot;"/>
				<outline text="&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Stripe Pay By Bank — TrueFans added support same day:&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; &amp;quot;Pay by Bank is a single-use payment method that allows customers to &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;pay directly from their bank account instead of using a card&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;… runs on banking infrastructure and takes advantage of &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;open banking APIs&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;.&amp;quot; Caveat he flagged: &amp;quot;only &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Finland and UK&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; which is odd but we will keep an eye and see if other countries get added.&amp;quot;"/>
				<outline text="&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;25 Sep 00:29, the thesis:&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; &amp;quot;there is still a &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;real need on the web for micropayments&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;. I think when &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;mainstream banks give customers a current/chequing account and a digital account&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; and make it easy for us to transfer money from one account to the other &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;will be the start of a wider adoption&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;.&amp;quot;"/>
				<outline text="&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;27 Jul, the post-mortem on v1:&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; &amp;quot;Maybe &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;v1.0 was too complex with KYC, Nostr, Alby and Moonpay&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;. I am watching &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Stripe, Stablecoins and x.402&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;, a new open payment protocol that makes internet-native micropayments…&amp;quot; — and the Dizzee Rascal quote: &amp;quot;Some people think I&amp;#x27;m bonkers / But I just think I&amp;#x27;m free.&amp;quot;"/>
				<outline text="&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;💡 But his funding tag is the purest V4V in the ecosystem — give him credit for it:&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; &amp;quot;The podcaster &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;only gets paid if they continue to publish&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; more episodes… Platforms like Patreon or Substack will continue to take the monthly amount &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;even if the podcaster doesn&amp;#x27;t publish&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;.&amp;quot; The fan sets a monthly maximum; TrueFans draws from it per episode published. &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;That is value-for-value enforced in code.&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;"/>
				<outline text="&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Also:&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; if a feed has no funding tag, TrueFans turns its own on and takes &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;10% of funding transactions&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;. Worth asking how that sits with podcasters who did not ask for it."/>
				<outline text="🔍 &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;The question for the room:&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; if Pay By Bank and stablecoins do the job with less friction, &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;is Lightning still the point of V4V — or was the point always fan-to-creator with no intermediary, whatever the rail?&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;"/>
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			<outline text="03 - 🏛️ SAM&amp;#x27;S THESIS — &amp;quot;LESS LIKE PODCAST APPS AND MORE LIKE CREATOR PORTALS&amp;quot;" _expanded="true">
				<outline text="&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;15 Sep, his four-part statement of direction:&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; &amp;quot;The old model was simple: &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;one creator → one podcast → one audio app&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;. That worked when podcasting was primarily about listening. But creators are building something much bigger now… the next generation of creator platforms will look &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;less like podcast apps and more like Creator Portals&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; — a single place where creators can build, engage, communicate with and monetise their communities.&amp;quot;"/>
				<outline text="&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;What is already live:&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; host and stream audio or video, publish blogs, run live events, sell tickets, merch links, premium per-episode and per-blog pricing, a fan wallet."/>
				<outline text="&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;New this month — newsletters:&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; &amp;quot;Starting next week we&amp;#x27;re taking another step forward with the launch of the &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;NEW TrueFans Newsletter&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;… the plan is to make the &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;same newsletter functionality available to every TrueFans creator&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;&amp;quot; with subscriber / delivered / opened / clicked stats. &amp;quot;The goal is to give creators &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;one place to build, own, manage and monetise their entire relationship with their true fans&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;.&amp;quot;"/>
				<outline text="&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Roadmap he published:&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; customised domains · new native iOS &amp;amp;amp; Android apps · CarPlay, Apple Watch, Apple TV."/>
				<outline text="&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Features built on P2.0 tags — the good citizen argument (31 Aug):&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; &amp;quot;I&amp;#x27;m excited that we are starting to see apps &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;building new features on top of Podcasting 2.0 tags&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;… I&amp;#x27;m now looking at &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;every tag&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;, trying to see if we can build a new feature on top.&amp;quot;"/>
				<outline text="• &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Frequency tag&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; → show the &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;NEXT&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; publish date instead of the last one · • &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Live Item tag&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; → PENDING / LIVE NOW / END status on the page, localised · • &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Person tag&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; → aggregate every podcast where you are tagged into &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;one dynamically-updating playlist&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; on your profile · • &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Location&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; → new location search built on @alberto&amp;#x27;s Radar." type="link" url="https://truefans.fm/search"/>
				<outline text="&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;Coming:&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; &amp;quot;Our next big feature will be to use &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;AI to grab 5 clips&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; from the audio and/or video… and &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;add those clips to the Podcasting 2.0 soundbite tag&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;, as well as auto publishing those clips to the podcasters social media.&amp;quot; 💡 Machine-generated soundbites written back into the namespace — that is a namespace question, not just a feature."/>
				<outline text="&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;And the gamification layer:&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; 30 activity verbs tracking fan behaviour, points to identify &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;SuperFans&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;, fans can OAuth their socials and auto-publish chosen verbs — including &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;how long they played and percent completed&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;, with a play-percentage slider."/>
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