Podcasting 2.0 May 29th 2026 Episode 261 - "Podhemian Grove"

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Show Notes
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  01 - ALLIANCE FOR MEASUREMENT IN PODCASTING —
    Podnews press release this morning: Alliance for Measurement in Podcasting (AMP) launches. Industry consortium for podcast measurement standards.
    Dave reblog with snark (May 29): "They want better app metrics for their ad-tech but the only 'app' in their council is Spotify. 😆 There's a right way to do this IMO, but this is not it."
    Discussion: measurement standards written by/for ad-tech — what would Dave's "right way" look like? Podcast Index neutrality vs industry-coalition co-opting.
    Podnews AMP press release
    Dave's reblog
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  02 - SPOTIFY INVESTOR DAY — CREATOR MEMBERSHIPS (PATREON KILLER) + CLIPS + AGENTIC AI
    Spotify co-CEOs Mai + Alex presented investor day this week. Skipped the regular Stream On creator event. PNWR: "didn't bother wasting their time talking to podcasters who are…"
    <b>Creator Memberships</b> (00:10:30 in PNWR) — Patreon-equivalent paywall inside the Spotify Partner Program. "Now available for creators in the Spotify Partner Program." James: "this one's quite a biggie."
    Direct competitor to Patreon AND Supporting Cast (TWiT's tool). Lock-in question — does Spotify pull creators away from value4value / off-platform paywalls?
    <b>Clip Moments</b> (00:15:00) — segment-clipping inside the album. Spotify reinventing what's already in PC2.0 namespace (clip / soundbite tag) but proprietary.
    <b>Agentic Discovery + AI tokens</b> (00:21:00) — discovery agent w/ user permission. "Ask it with your permission to act on your behalf." AI tokens — Spotify rationing AI usage with token economy.
    <b>Walled-garden Magic Chapters</b> analog — clip + segment + agentic discovery all proprietary.
    PNWR episode (source)
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  03 - BIPOC PODCAST CREATORS CLOSES — DEI FUNDING COLLAPSE → COMMUNITY ORG OFFLINE
    BIPOC Podcast Creators (American podcast org for Black/Indigenous/People of Color creators) closes. PNWR interviews the co-founders 00:27:00 → 00:43:00.
    Co-founder reflection: "the beginning of our podcast careers… feeling really…"
    DEI funding pulled by new government (00:31:30): "we started to see a decline in the investment."
    Direct call to platforms (00:36:00): "What is Spotify going to do? What is Apple, you…"
    Legacy framing (00:39:00, 00:40:30): "You two created the first and the largest…" / "We made a mark in the history of this industry."
    Discussion: DEI-funding-collapse → community-org-closure pattern. Platforms' responsibility to creator communities they don't host.
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  04 - DAVE'S PACKAGE-MANAGER-SUPPLY-CHAIN-ATTACKS RIFF — "OSS WEAPONIZED BY AI"
    Dave's May 26 thread (3 consecutive posts) — developer discipline against AI-weaponized supply chains.
    Post 1: "Massive package manager supply chain attacks are weekly occurrences now. Take a few minutes and secure your package manager json/lock files with package age requirements or version pinning. Yes, it's a pain in the butt. But, if you don't, you *will* get popped. It's *going* to happen."
    Post 2: "The even better solution is only use package managers for the big, highly supported things you can't write yourself. Instead of installing some package to fill a small gap in your code, just write it yourself. Keep your package manager config ultra lean."
    Post 3 (the thesis): "In that example you've reduced package manager and CI/CD supply chain exposure, created your own custom code you can evolve on your own timeline and, most importantly, you've learned something new that you didn't know before. <b>Open source code and tooling is being weaponized by AI</b> and you have to take…"
    Pair with: JS Spurlock's WSJ "Vibe Slop AI crisis" (May 22) — same theme, vibe-coded slop accelerates the attack surface.
    Socket.dev — Laravel-Lang compromise (Dave's case study)
    WSJ — Vibe Slop AI crisis (JS link)
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  05 - LEO EMBRACES PODCASTING 2.0 — MAGIC CHAPTERS FOR CLUB TWIT MEMBERS
    Drebscott observation May 28: Leo has finally embraced Podcasting 2.0 — added podcast: tags to TWiT shows. Paid Club TWiT members get chapters and don't get the funding tag. Paid Members get podcast:chapters; others get free podcast:funding.
    Dave (May 28 multiple posts): "I noticed it too. It makes me feel valued as a TWiT club subscriber. Having chapters makes my WW and SN listening so much more enjoyable. I'm very thankful for it."
    Dave: "I wanted to use magic chapters in my Castamatic but my iPhone 13 doesn't support the needed APIs. And, like you, I was pleasantly surprised when one day they showed up!"
    Nathan working on podcast:image support for Podlink — asking for feed examples that already support it (May 28).
    Discussion: differentiated namespace use by membership tier — clever segmentation. Compare to Spotify Creator Memberships (above) — Leo's RSS-native paywall vs Spotify's on-platform paywall.
    Drebscott observation
    Nathan podcast:image
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  06 - RSS-AS-BLOG + <sopml:origin> + THREADED CONVERSATIONS IN RSS — DAVE + @FAHRNI THREAD
    Adam reblog of @nathan (May 20): "In 2026, I'm not sure we'll ever see a new Podcasting 2.0 tag gain widespread adoption if the structured data can otherwise be derived from the transcript." — provocative.
    Dave to @fahrni (May 28): "Would love for blogs to be a part of that work. We have a 'blog' medium in the <podcast:medium> tag spec already."
    Dave: "BTW, you can certainly do threaded conversations in RSS. @adam and I did it in the…"
    Dave digs up 2019 work: "We ended up eventually creating a new tag called <sopml:origin> for this purpose."
    Dave: "But, I think a breadcrumb attribute on the <source> tag itself is much cleaner."
    Discussion: tags vs transcripts — defend why structured data still matters (search, navigation, accessibility, app UX). RSS-as-blog — what stops podcast:medium=blog from being a real path now?
    podcast:medium tag spec (blog node value)
    <sopml:origin> archive (Dave + Adam 2019 work)
    Robb Knight — Making RSS and blogs better
    Nathan's original toot (reblogged by Adam)
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  07 - JS SPURLOCK SPOTLIGHT — FLIGHTCAST H.265 + SIGNED-HLS PUSHBACK
    HLS H.265 shipping in the wild — JS reports flightcast now testing H.265 at the highest resolution alongside H.264 in RSS alt-enclosure HLS episodes (May 21): "man they do not mess around."
    Continuation of HLS Video tipping-point arc from PC20-260 — DaveHamilton's Mac Geek Gab published the 2nd-ever H.265 video podcast episode May 18 (first since January).
    JS sides AGAINST signed HLS requests (May 26, backing @russell): "signed requests for a supposedly open format is no bueno, and kind of weak. Mastodon didn't do signatures because of bots, they did it so people could block access to other people across instances."
    @russell parallel post: "If you're a hosting company and can't handle the traffic, then get out of hosting. Our job is to deliver our clients' content to the public — if it's in the RSS and the user hasn't said make it private…"
    Open debate moment for Dave — he's been more sympathetic to hosting cost-control.
    Aside / quip from JS (May 21): "that's why I own so much land"
    hls.livewire.io — H.265 codec filter (visible right now)
    Russell's post on secure HLS
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  08 - POD ROLL ATLAS + /DATASETS — STATUS CHECK FROM PC20-260
    From PC20-260: Dave shipped podcastindex.org/datasets May 8. Alberto Betella built Pod Roll Atlas on it within days (atlas.rss.io).
    Status check: any updates to atlas since 5/15? New data sets added? Other community uses surfacing?
    Pod Roll Atlas
    No Agenda atlas page (PC20-260 callback)
    podcastindex.org/datasets
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  09 - TRUEFANS RSS PAYMENT METADATA BUGS (JS NAMESPACE QC)
    JS Spurlock to @samsethi May 16: truefans RSS payment metadata has field-naming bugs. Flagged against PR #734.
    Bug list: "podcast" should be "feed_title"; missing required "split" + "timestamp" fields; "episode_guid" should be "item_guid"; "episode" should be "item_title"; "url" is not defined.
    30-sec namespace-discipline beat — payment metadata correctness matters because boostagram split routing breaks silently when fields are mis-named.
    PR #734 (truefans payment metadata)
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  10 - PREMIUM RSS / SHARE-EQUALITY + HLS APPLE COMING IN (PNWR TAIL)
    PNWR 01:13:00 → 01:21:00 — Premium RSS / shareability discussion. Some agreement, some disagreement on PNWR. "allows you to share equally. But once you've paid for…" / "would put a hash at the end of your at…"
    PNWR 01:28:04 — HLS / Apple update: "been talking about HLS and Apple just come in. We…" — HLS Video tipping-point continuation, pair with JS's flightcast H.265 above.
    PNWR 01:30:02 — "are premium RSS implementations" — pull current state from the transcript and discuss.
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  Topics for Today (parking lot — may or may not come up)
    Holger Krupp's MIT-licensed serverless iOS podcast app (Up Next) — PC20-260 carryover, check shipping status
    Effem podcast app — @rademaker recruiting beta testers (JS reblog May 17)
    Effem TestFlight
    John Ennis "Heaven and Earth" AI-limits thread — NA + WGTDT crossover candidate
    Boost Bait + Boostagrams Numerology — community projects from PC20-260 list
    Adam's clipgenie callback — "You've missed out Brother Every.Single.Episode" — May 16
    ClipGenie search
    PC20-260 "Tennessee Trickshot" callback if needed
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  Quip + closer candidates (inline use)
    Dave May 28: "There is no 'I'. Only math." — pin-worthy
    Dave May 22: "It's not the language that matters. The programming language is the least important thing. It's the 'stack', the packaging, the distribution."
    JS on podcast consumption (older callback): "'podcast consumption' sounds really weird to me. Nothing is consumed. Podcasts are not consumable… it is endured."
    Dave May 26: "In that example… most importantly, you've learned something new that you didn't know before."