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  • leave me alone Adam curry Johnson this
  • is your award-winning Nation Media
  • Silicon Valley where I'm sitting here
  • see dvorah cringe not binge no no I just
  • I'd like to try me uh binge is uh I
  • don't know what is the opposite
  • there is no no opposite of binge come on
  • purge binge and purge purge is not the
  • opposite of binge okay I mean purge as a
  • that wouldn't be the opposite that would
  • be I don't know what that would be
  • that's but more importantly buffaloed
  • more important why why do you why do you
  • hate the word binge you know the reason
  • is because I get this thing I got on the
  • thrill this up spam I unsubscribe from
  • the thrill in the popular lexicon
  • binge binge don t ve binge it seems to
  • me that going to the movie theater and
  • sitting there spending twenty five bucks
  • is sitting there for two hours
  • that is binge enough I saw mission
  • oh that must have been great I'm in IMAX
  • yeah it was good it was quite good the
  • know it's just as predictable as as
  • James Bond but no it was it was okay in
  • with the news better than the last one
  • was Rosano that was horrible but with
  • the new hearing aids in the IMAX oh my
  • god that was like except at one point
  • the people behind me open up a baggage
  • ships with it it kind of picked up on
  • the rear facing microphone yeah get
  • he reaches for his ear to adjust the
  • volume you know you've succeeded
  • exactly it's political messaging or
  • anything I don't care no no no no just a
  • lot of unbelievable totally incredible
  • I'll take it yeah so the pilot got shot
  • and he slumped over and we'll just drag
  • him out and then jump in the seat and
  • sure yeah or Will Survive the spiraling
  • doesn't matter it was it was fun I liked
  • it it was pretty good yeah I'm looking
  • forward to maybe seeing it eventually
  • hmm yeah but no binging no binging on it
  • ugly word by the way
  • rustic binge beach it's terrible it
  • you should be bothered by it I don't
  • know why I don't understand you you're
  • you're very tolerant person apparently
  • yes unlike sorry young good up with
  • binge unlike Sarah young of the New York
  • Times we might we might as well handle
  • her right away the top of the show since
  • wrote about it in the newsletter I did I
  • put it kind of a breakdown of it uh
  • she's just a you know I don't I mean
  • it's just up I don't know why she got so
  • far as she did so quickly
  • I do remember she's in technology
  • clip which I think Jane Jimmy woods
  • tweeted see when you know him you say
  • Jimmy Jimmy Jimmy the Jimmy woods
  • tweeted around from her speech and we
  • had some good interrupts you buddy we
  • had some guy who just one of our we have
  • a lot of people unto it er to say hey
  • you should listen to no agenda no listen
  • no gesture and there's one guy who is
  • trying to convince to listen to the show
  • he says I see that one of the two
  • James retweeted the James Woods clear
  • tweet is some horrible thing your pain
  • your son should that's what it is it's
  • see you even looking at his tweets and
  • me well you call him Jimmy yeah Jimmy
  • well there's one speech that is fully
  • know she is she went to Harvard Harvard
  • Law School or HLS as we say and she did
  • the speech at Harvard Law School and the
  • only truly egregious thing that could be
  • pulled from that full hour speech is the
  • one that Jimmy treated here it is
  • around how men see the world and and not
  • just meant how white men see the world
  • and this is why so many things suck now
  • so you asked Ashley a really good
  • job why is she a tech journalist at the
  • verge and now on the New York Times
  • doing tech journalism exactly the way it
  • should be done which is subjective you
  • know it's just as the Internet is Google
  • Gmail is Gmail the only place that voice
  • your opinion is social networks and it's
  • unfair that's on fire and she is a
  • shitty speaker really I mean you hear
  • this there are tech journalists film
  • girl is better than this telling you
  • there's a blast from the past so but I
  • did learn a few things mainly I just got
  • into her head and you know this is a
  • part that I think will will will catch
  • it later on this is a part of kind of
  • like it started with the statues you
  • know it's it's the colonial ancestors
  • who we today as white men have to suffer
  • for because our colonial ancestors were
  • horrible horrible white men slave owners
  • they mistreated women and whatever they
  • did is horrible they ruined everything
  • it all sucks because of the white man
  • and and and that's part of what she is
  • trying to communicate is that and you
  • know she comes from kind of a gamergate
  • which we can stop at any time because
  • she's one of these speakers and you'll
  • notice it almost right away who never
  • really makes a good point or a punch
  • line it's just like well so that's
  • that's that's why that's that way she
  • can't she's a horrible horrible
  • don't know about her writing but nothing
  • I learned something about what is it
  • called it's called the something about
  • the First Amendment the hecklers veto
  • they've ever heard of the hecklers veto
  • no well this apparently is she remember
  • she's a lawyer this is something in
  • First Amendment law so I'm gonna play
  • this and we'll just let it go until we
  • either stop her sick of her and this
  • wasn't new but suddenly there was more
  • and more attention to it and I think
  • that has in large part it's because of
  • Twitter it's because Twitter is open and
  • it's because we can see it happen in
  • real time ourselves it is no longer a
  • for everyone to see and it's horrifying
  • and the discourse started out as this is
  • free speech versus women and this was
  • pretty upsetting to me I was you know
  • coming from a place where I believed in
  • a free and open Internet I did not think
  • is that by the way her idea of a free
  • and open Internet it has nothing to do
  • with the way you or I might think of it
  • as the Internet is a network and you can
  • run any type of application on top of it
  • no she means free as in really free just
  • give me everything for free and open
  • which means as long as Google runs it
  • that that's our thinking if you watch
  • your whole hour any of the proposed
  • were good I didn't like the idea people
  • didn't sweets even though I looked at
  • the tweets and I they were very
  • looking at the tweet yeah yeah yeah oh
  • yeah oh yeah she's kind of rambling
  • already yeah there's something she just
  • she said just a second ago that was kind
  • of semi contradictory it just or it
  • didn't make any sense we going to play
  • we can stop a lot if you're looking for
  • content of course of course this here I
  • was I was working with Charlie on the
  • the journal along gender I was very
  • I felt like I was being told that my
  • free speech versus women pick one side
  • no one wants to be on the side that's
  • home so what you saying here is that
  • with free speech and anybody can say
  • thinks that is is it was very hateful
  • neutral Network no it's the Internet is
  • hateful about it there's a there's a
  • thing in you know First Amendment
  • veto actually and the hecklers veto is
  • sort of this problem where if you yell
  • at someone enough it causes an issue
  • where oh okay I guess it's now legal to
  • shut down the speech because people are
  • it's just upsetting everyone way too
  • much it's like causing it's fighting
  • words now because it's causing people to
  • fight against it or now that it's it's
  • causing all of this violence to erupt
  • say all right so she is a Harvard Law
  • student graduate and is very nervous and
  • she cannot explain hecklers veto for
  • some reason yes good a comment she's
  • very nervous and she's she sounds like
  • she doesn't know what she's talking
  • about she's rambling she is can't seem
  • to focus I didn't realize when I was
  • reading some of her other tweets the
  • ones that are still available most have
  • been taken down she makes these kind of
  • poetic points if you look at her
  • as poetry and now that I think about it
  • I was completely mistaken in that regard
  • I didn't mention this in the newsletter
  • but I'm just looking at some of these
  • things because she'll throw a weird word
  • in and thinking well that's interesting
  • I guess has some sort of a poetic
  • no it wasn't she just doesn't know
  • exactly allow me to read the hecklers
  • veto from Wikipedia in the free speech
  • context the hecklers veto is either of
  • two the hecklers veto is either of
  • able to unilaterally trigger events that
  • result in the speaker being silenced in
  • the strict legal sense a hecklers veto
  • occurs when the speaker's right is
  • example I think in that case would be
  • you can't come and speak at Berkeley
  • because people will go nuts the common
  • example is the termination of a speech
  • or demonstration in the interest of
  • the anticipated negative reaction of
  • common parlance the term is used to
  • without intervention of the law in case
  • law the hecklers veto is mixed most
  • cannot be preemptively stopped due to
  • fear of heckling so you can't do it
  • before but in the immediate face of
  • acting party to cease their action in
  • order to satisfy the hecklers the best
  • known case involving the hecklers veto
  • is Feiner V New York handed down by the
  • Supreme Court in 1951 Chief Justice
  • Vinson writing for the majority held
  • that police officers acted within their
  • power in arresting a speaker if the
  • arrest was quote motivated solely by a
  • proper concern for the preservation of
  • order and protection of general welfare
  • so in a way I think what she's saying is
  • we need regulation
  • that's gonna work but okay let's
  • I learned something I had no idea what
  • the hecklers veto was it never heard of
  • it before you didn't learn anything from
  • her you're right that's why I had to go
  • look it up because I learned nothing
  • from her it's fighting words now because
  • it's causing people to fight against it
  • or notice how she equates people
  • now that it's it's causing all of this
  • violence to erupt if we're gonna have to
  • shut all this stuff down and that's how
  • I viewed harrassment harassment was a
  • was under threat
  • it was the speech of women that was
  • under threat women were the ones were
  • being told to leave these social
  • were being silenced who clearly have no
  • were just weak I understand the problem
  • it's anonymous and when we're talking
  • about free speech for women I mean we're
  • just talking about free speech obviously
  • this is all well and good and you did
  • you understand what her conclusion was
  • this is she's so incoherent may say this
  • is little more than a rhetorical trick
  • to justify the suppression of speech and
  • I assure you that it is not I have
  • learned many cute rhetorical tricks from
  • this institution where many of the
  • masters acute rhetorical tricks reside
  • but there's actually more to this and I
  • am going to explain oh it goes back to
  • the history of the internet and some
  • largely today overlooked facts about
  • call the theory of garbage
  • now she wrote this is the book or the
  • blog post was it is it a book it's an
  • actual book yes that I think so I've
  • never seen it but it's called the
  • that yeah so I'll let her get into this
  • a little bit the theory of garbage is
  • very simple the Internet is mostly
  • garbage okay and we're just bear in mind
  • in this context you got an I so I do I
  • need I do need to cut back
  • mostly garbage yeah if she could make
  • knows how big the Internet is I mean you
  • can't say anything about the percentage
  • or how much unless you know what 100
  • percent is right if you say it's mostly
  • garbage then you know 51 percent has to
  • be garbage when in fact 51 percent plus
  • is mostly yes or no yes it all depends
  • but she doesn't see it as data she sees
  • it as what's on Twitter TV our Google or
  • Google talking about garbage I'm talking
  • about things like spam I'm talking about
  • things like malware and I want to
  • include harassment these are just things
  • that we have come to accept aren't great
  • and why didn't the New York Times just
  • hire Elle sharp it would have been more
  • to qualify before I even begin please
  • not spam a speech malware is speech like
  • code a speech harassment is speech
  • where we know that something has to be
  • done about it doesn't mean we have to
  • put people in prison it doesn't mean
  • what and I can tell you where she's
  • going with this because I saw the whole
  • thing with this because I saw the whole
  • what she's saying is harassment is no
  • except the purest of the internet hate
  • spam hate malware we have all kinds of
  • remember it's just code it's just speech
  • it is exactly the same as harassment so
  • we should have harassment filters and
  • then sugar goes into this whole thing
  • about server-side filters and it's very
  • there's an issue here it these things
  • make the internet unusable and I started
  • having there was a lot of this I was
  • thinking of this actually I was thinking
  • of this actually Internet unusable of
  • course is like how do people watch
  • Netflix if the Internet's and use them
  • seems pretty usable to me how do people
  • do anything yeah I mean there's a lot
  • more going on than what she's talking
  • about she's talking about a small small
  • niche of the internet that Twitter about
  • her twitter twitter twitter is talking
  • it doesn't mean we have to put people in
  • prison it doesn't mean everything has to
  • be deleted but there's an issue here it
  • these things make the internet unusable
  • no it's not true and I started thinking
  • about this actually because I was having
  • dinner with these older attorneys who
  • had been working with internet law for a
  • long time and oh man remember when
  • people were really upset about
  • I'm like I know that's before my time
  • like what happened there and they
  • I will leave out names but basically
  • around that era in the earlier 2000s you
  • had you know people who are typically
  • you know free speech wing of the free
  • speech party like you know these are
  • speech parties the kinds of people who
  • yeah it just goes on and then it never
  • gets to the point and we don't listen to
  • so her Holt and that's why she's perfect
  • as a journalist journal Journal for The
  • Verge is because all she thinks about is
  • the Internet is Twitter
  • and that's where her garbage is it would
  • have been more accurate she said Twitter
  • is garbage although I vehemently
  • disagree but that that's that would have
  • been more accurate so she's not that
  • great she's not a deep thinker she
  • doesn't have any I mean to me it doesn't
  • seem like any really deep thoughts or
  • lots of other people that could be on
  • the New York Times editorial board for
  • gonna get controversial people in well
  • but it is pretty weird I mean there's a
  • you have to wonder how she got there in
  • the first place I mean there's something
  • it's got to be graphed or something as
  • date or maybe even though it has to be a
  • in an essay kind of a quasi essay a
  • picture essay because it kept coming up
  • in the damn Twitter feeds and all this
  • you know the and then then Jimmy blaster
  • versus for something ya know so I had to
  • right but it did I think the the most
  • and all of her tweets is you know the
  • lack of it was the was the the black
  • Tina was the language of them well you
  • know anyway one of these one of the same
  • heel I think or something no she yeah
  • Candace Owens thank you troll room Owens
  • yes Candace Owens and she took the exact
  • same tweets from Sarah young young and
  • she replaced the word white with jus and
  • Twitter Bandar for twelve hours until I
  • guess to figure it out you know exactly
  • how that goes some algo might pick
  • rules like oh this is against the
  • boom know that but it makes nothing but
  • sense of course of course
  • but the lack of of actually any even
  • real conversation about that anywhere
  • but in the internet of garbage I oh gee
  • I kind of do like that term just for
  • Twitter yeah that's where everything's
  • being discussed but have you heard any
  • like a third rail you know m5m doesn't
  • want to touch it no mmm five M has
  • refused to discuss it the New York Times
  • passed it off as well you know the
  • proper trolling counter counter trolling
  • which I've never heard of rolling never
  • heard of that and so they think it's
  • fine well you made a journalistic point
  • in the newsletter that I liked which was
  • if you this in particular from an outfit
  • such as the New York Times and I don't
  • know if they've ever they written an
  • actual op-ed about it or is it just that
  • one statement they release it was just
  • no there was a memo memo well there
  • should be a number of op EDS I feel if
  • that if that's their choice and I lost
  • my train of thought
  • well my point that I was making was if
  • you're gonna say that these were table
  • it was the verge the verses are gonna
  • take her out of context you stake
  • right then you have context and my point
  • it's exactly the way it sounded when I
  • read it - my point was apparently the
  • only voice I have according to the
  • family works me works at the verge
  • the point I'm a witch we were gonna
  • bring up and I'll steal it from you was
  • that if you're going to say that as it
  • is a op-ed writer journalist whatever
  • you gonna do so what was taken out of
  • context you have to provide as part of
  • the kind of the rules the rules of the
  • road you have to provide an example of
  • how it was taken out of context yes in
  • other words you have to put it in
  • context to show us how it was taken out
  • of context right and people do that all
  • the time they said look at this they do
  • with Trump they said what trust me he
  • said this he didn't say that he said
  • this he didn't say that
  • I because he said it after he said this
  • so it was obviously a joke yeah this
  • will you put it in context but no nobody
  • put it look at their twitch she's out of
  • context constantly she's just Brambling
  • and why doesn't the New York Times write
  • that would be appropriate and and might
  • be enlightening I don't know maybe
  • there's a take on it you and I haven't
  • figured it out yet it be done can't be
  • done it out yet it be done can't be
  • okay be and they've already made a
  • because they feel now they got a an
  • Asian female lesbian wait three boxes
  • ticked tit three boxes ticked they're
  • not getting rid of her because it's
  • gonna look like they hate Asians it
  • looks like they hate women which is half
  • the audience and it looks like they they
  • can't do it they cannot that wants to
  • put her in there they can't get rid of
  • her it's like oh oops yeah
  • yeah they have it so she can hate whites
  • and hate man and hate whatever she hates
  • and that's just the way it goes
  • well it's now will she be writing for
  • the New York Times as well why she's
  • just on the editorial she's one of the
  • people that's in the have these meetings
  • well we should talk more about this I
  • think we haven't had enough we haven't
  • had enough stories about you know how
  • don't think there's too much white being
  • shown in photograph well bored yeah hmm
  • so that and of course there's no byline
  • so who knows who's writing that it's
  • Dean I tried it she was with the Women's
  • Law Journal which became the gender
  • Harvard which was a student publication
  • and I looked her up in the database cuz
  • you can do that and she never wrote
  • who helped somebody and wanted the thing
  • she wasn't even that much of a hotshot
  • there she wasn't you know it was just it
  • was kind of a love as a third tier
  • student publication no offense to be
  • worked here but it's not the Harvard
  • laud here but it's not the Harvard
  • Journal or anything big it's not the
  • now where she's coming from and I said
  • that in my setup is ancestral problems
  • you know men have been running society
  • it's the patriarchy it's toxic
  • you know I've never heard any of this in
  • the 60s which is when by the way the
  • scum manifesto was written that she
  • refers to yeah tell us about cuz that's
  • an acronym that I was not familiar with
  • yes the scum manifesto came out in the
  • late 60s and there was a similar very
  • similar movement to what's going on now
  • it was during the Vietnam War that the
  • other stuff and this woman I think I
  • can't remember her name Valerie
  • you're looking up yeah I'm Valerie
  • Solanas that could be anyway she wrote
  • the scum manifesto which was the Society
  • for cutting up men and it was just kind
  • of what did this Sarah young is all
  • about you know kill man there's suck
  • they're no good they don't help me and
  • then they're taking over and they're
  • telling us what to do and it was justice
  • you know I've never bought a copy I
  • should have no cuz it seems like it's
  • now a collector's item so the term scum
  • edition of Olympia press as scum and was
  • said to stand for Society for cutting up
  • men but she objected apparently
  • the Village Voice ad she had written in
  • 1967 so okay thank you sounds just like
  • yeah the scum manifesto I'd never heard
  • of this argues that men have ruined the
  • world and that it is up to women to fix
  • it well I'm going to be reading this
  • yeah I mean and put it right next to my
  • right up there with that dead quality
  • work well I'm not so sure but I don't
  • okay so what how did that end let me did
  • it end or did it just kind of fade away
  • those Watergate happened so is this the
  • citing it specifically is the resurgence
  • of the scum movement
  • there was no movement that's the joke of
  • it and there's not no movement going on
  • now it's a bunch of on Twitter it's a
  • bunch of people there's a word I can't
  • think of but it has to do with a bunch
  • of people that are act with the way
  • things are cuz they're not part of even
  • though she'd see well you never hear
  • from her once she gets in that editorial
  • board by the way she's gonna fade fast
  • yeah or they'll kick her off but it's
  • people that feel marginalized and I
  • should be the boss I should be the boss
  • noodle boy the people and it just fades
  • out because it's just like at some point
  • people get jobs like shit I got a job I
  • got rands like well let's listen to the
  • between Angela Rai who was it was now I
  • think pretty much a fixture on CNN
  • former I think she was a gofer at the
  • black caucus that she has some fancy
  • name like assistant something to the
  • first she was I think she was pretty low
  • level there with the Cuomo kid and a
  • half forget who the Republican guy is
  • he's the woman with the with the
  • beard it's really just really poor it's
  • a terrible by the way they just keep
  • they have these people and they promote
  • them and they wonder why they don't
  • their ratings are that they're annoying
  • yes here she is breaking it down for us
  • in a nice little nutshell it said who's
  • really the problem with ice come on man
  • you guys know that this policy is asked
  • this policy is inhumane plain and simple
  • like if you just take yourselves out of
  • it for just a moment take off the lenses
  • of bigotry for just a moment and imagine
  • okay now we're getting into the
  • I'm calling this process this this
  • and fear-mongering if you don't
  • that you're never claimed a bigot ever
  • you're losing the debate so let me just
  • finish this point for you he scramble
  • your room the only person that's rude is
  • your because you're so afraid for me to
  • get to the comma because the debate ends
  • at the comma dog this is over you have
  • nothing because you're so afraid for me
  • to get to the comma because the debate
  • ends at the comma dog this is over you
  • have nothing to add except for asking me
  • if I'm Canadian and no I'm not I wish I
  • could tell you we're from Africa my
  • them but I wouldn't know because the
  • same bigots who are bringing who are
  • sending people back away from their
  • in a nutshell
  • all the shit long life all the shit I
  • have in my life is because dot dot dot
  • we support we I can actually say we're a
  • punching bag and not much more than that
  • by the way well more than even white
  • white women too in some ways because
  • there's a situation in Australia we have
  • to comment on well yes Ludacris and I
  • checked it out it's got to be a joke
  • this must be the onion but no this is
  • going on and I have this clip here of
  • the Australian nurses they're required
  • to go up to people when they do nursing
  • and say excuse me I have to tell you I
  • have white privilege yeah wasn't this
  • about this there was only only
  • wasn't it wasn't a law for all nurses no
  • they put it into play with and there's a
  • dirt there's some sort of a handbook
  • that all nurses have to follow this and
  • think for yourself whether it's not true
  • but you can look up go to Google it's
  • true but I'm just saying I believe was
  • tonight the contentious new code telling
  • nurses to say sorry for being white when
  • treating their indigenous it's okay John
  • all we have to say is and why you don't
  • have to act you say I'm white did I'm
  • why I'm why I'm wild oh I it's okay that
  • was tonight the contentious new code
  • telling nurses to say sorry for being
  • washed when treating their indigenous
  • patients now it's the latest in a string
  • of politically correct changes for the
  • health industry but this one has led to
  • calls for the nursing board boss to
  • resign and as yes dead of itch reports
  • even some Aboriginal leaders have
  • white nurse would come in and say before
  • I deal with you I have to acknowledge to
  • you that I yeah this is the clip we
  • played a while ago but it does sound
  • like it's now code in all of the nursing
  • I guess certain privileges that you
  • don't have what we've got is
  • reality it's only dividing society the
  • code says that I must tell you that they
  • come about because of my whiteness and
  • your disadvantage becomes because of
  • your blackness doubtless come from the
  • no actual consultation which they're the
  • caring people they're always respectful
  • it's in there it's in their genes I mean
  • this is the this is the thing that's so
  • are currently racists but now a new
  • didn't acknowledge your white privilege
  • I felt culturally under threat or
  • subject to a contacted complaint it has
  • many like Graham hatecraft from the
  • nurses professional association of
  • this is introducing a form of apartheid
  • into into nursing in the health system
  • in changes to the national code of
  • conduct for nurses and midwives when
  • they must first acknowledge their white
  • fact that we're supposed to be doing
  • less of these of the segregation we're
  • making this particular distinction in
  • this particular moment is saying is
  • see why people don't see it that way you
  • go up and say hello I want to tell you
  • I'm white I know I have privilege if
  • you're not how is that not besides being
  • like it just doesn't seem right to be
  • doing that it's just like making a point
  • of it I'm a I'm white and you're black
  • well this amounts to but you know it
  • next it'll be I apologize because I'm
  • white and then you let the same
  • and then apologize because I'm over six
  • feet tall I think here so I meet you and
  • I say pologize for being so tall you're
  • a little short little short fucker yeah
  • well I know it ends it's very simple
  • okay let's pretend what just we're just
  • the meeting and we introduce ourselves
  • and you introduce yourself to me hello
  • I'm John oh hi oh hi I'm Adam curry
  • sorry that I exist yes I'm sorry I exist
  • this is what the so now I understand was
  • couple of the things the reason why the
  • word racism is used because and I think
  • it was written somewhere they said in
  • this not this context but in this
  • mmm I can remember the exact word but in
  • the context in which weights used today
  • from people like Sara's young is
  • if you are white it is impossible for
  • anyone to be racist against you
  • so racism is only what the ancestral men
  • world and they are the racists and you
  • can be racist against other people but
  • against white people apparently white
  • men it just cannot be racist and and I
  • know and I know a lot of who believe
  • this if you hate yes I agree a lot of
  • hate the white race and one time it
  • wiped off the face of the earth
  • there's not not a there's not an element
  • of racism in that no by definition no
  • anymore racism in that no by definition no
  • by this definitely argue there never has
  • been this definitely argue there never has
  • it's just a it's just a it's good it's a
  • good thing get rid of all whites but
  • isn't this just no wonder that people
  • there I mean this whole this do what
  • happened to the idea that we're supposed
  • to all be one big happy family
  • yeah now it seems that somehow what has
  • taken place is you know you used to feel
  • bad about your situation and I and I
  • think necessity you know is the mother
  • of invention I've seen it myself and
  • when you know at the lowest point it's
  • darkest before dawn you know all the
  • sayings because ultimately you have to
  • pull yourself up and do something and
  • make something out of yourself but we've
  • we've trained an entire really an entire
  • and we've trained an entire generation
  • that you can you can blame this group
  • for whatever it is that ails you and if
  • you if you look and I have to look that
  • hard of course I mean everything in
  • history comes from white men I mean I
  • know that's not true but the way people
  • like Angela I would see it so they're to
  • it's very odd extremely I mean you talk
  • about The Handmaid's Tale exactly the
  • you is taking place
  • the men will be kept as slaves only to
  • well I'd have noticed this thing you
  • know there's this D masculinization of
  • the American yeah boy yeah and this
  • starts with ritalin in kindergarten well
  • there's a lot of that yeah stuff like
  • that they dope him up and but does
  • high register in men routinely to the
  • point where you almost can't tell if
  • it's a woman talking MA and this is into
  • the 20s and 30s I'm talking about here
  • the height that higher-end Millennials
  • is not a case in my family
  • JC actually sounds a little like I do
  • but I hear when I go out and I I was
  • getting my hair cut the other then I
  • could hear these two guys talking him
  • and both of like I can do it I think if
  • I try hard enough to get my high
  • register to work a little better as just
  • my normal voice
  • now I can't do without making a parody
  • well but hold on with how old they were
  • young like 20s late mid to late 20s okay
  • white guys yeah okay gay or straight
  • well there's they have that I think one
  • was straight one was gay
  • but I don't know they could have both
  • been straight they could have both Inc
  • it because I was paying more attention
  • to this voice of theirs and they all had
  • this high register and their use your
  • started hearing it it's very close to
  • being uh a voice that never went through
  • puberty like a kid's voice but it's in
  • an adult and it has a difference it has
  • a different ring and tone to it because
  • of the size of the body and the and the
  • solar plexus it's gonna bring out a
  • just noticing it everywhere
  • hmm and it's like it's kind of like they
  • that fake therapeutic they know the did
  • the testing with the micro drops and
  • Sarah knows what W Sarah knows blonde
  • yes who talk like this I think it's
  • well this is the opposite guys that talk
  • like this they all sound like Mickey
  • Mouse I don't know how they do it and I
  • don't know if I've had the same
  • but it wouldn't surprise me that does do
  • your hearing aids I fail to hear now if
  • you uh thank you go ahead mock the wheat
  • the meek and the crippled thank you hey
  • are aware you have hearing aids and you
  • miss something what's the first thing
  • they say exactly it's like saying to
  • someone when you know with a with an
  • yeah of course cuz I'm still trying to
  • figure them out and get them perfect and
  • there's no perfection it's a hell of a
  • lot better but you know once you claim
  • your Bionic which I am I hear things
  • that are unbelievable
  • but then when you miss something then as
  • I sure that's what someone would say
  • aid and start listening for these kids
  • these 20-somethings maybe it's not as
  • present in Texas as it is in California
  • but it's quite noticeable around here
  • well then by the way we'll have people
  • writing in mentioning it in some parts
  • of the country is not sure I'm sure I'm
  • sure but it's I know it but you know it
  • amongst your peers and you all have to
  • agree that no man really it's it's the
  • white man who really did all this to us
  • and we got to take down those statues
  • and then meanwhile you're standing there
  • and if you're you know if you're a white
  • guy if you're you know if you're a white
  • leave me alone I got to write that time
  • okay I had another clip here in the same
  • bin also from Australia coincidentally
  • but I don't think it has to do
  • it isn't a bit about the future of the
  • it was art party or someone in Australia
  • finally what advice would you give to
  • the Democrats yes yes author Frank
  • Thomas is being asked so it is about the
  • US Democratic Party drop in 2020 and
  • what do you think's actually gonna
  • happen what you do when you're faced
  • with the white working-class walking
  • away from the party the left you reach
  • out for them in the way that a party of
  • the Left reaches out for working-class
  • people you don't emphasize the whiteness
  • you emphasize the working-class Ness and
  • you reach out to them on economic issues
  • in a lot of ways that Bernie Sanders was
  • them but the question of what they will
  • do they're not going to do that because
  • that would involve them breaking up with
  • their wall street pals that would
  • involve the Democratic Party having to
  • they couldn't party with the Silicon
  • Valley guys anybody couldn't ride on the
  • Google jet anymore because they would
  • have to once again become a party of
  • working people they're very happy being
  • the party of the professional class and
  • they don't want to go back to being what
  • they used to be what they really want to
  • do is scold Trump voters not just Trump
  • they're their first impulse is to scold
  • them they want to get living this utopia
  • of scolding where they can every day
  • feel so pure and good about themselves
  • you know in this Gold's gold scold
  • school I think the other thing that
  • they're that they're going to do is run
  • the elect the the campaign of 2016 over
  • and over and over again until they
  • they'll try different get-out-the-vote
  • efforts they'll do it right next time
  • and then next time they'll you know they
  • won't lose and look that might work that
  • might work in the short term the thing
  • is this the Republican Party is never
  • turning away from Trump ISM next time
  • around after Trump is gone it's going to
  • be in the hands of somebody that knows
  • what they're doing a Ted Cruz a Marco
  • Rubio and they're not gonna make dumb
  • mistakes you have to stop that Democrats
  • that they need to become the party the
  • party of labor again I don't think they
  • want to go there and this is why I'm
  • kind of pessimistic about my country's
  • future huh well now see he had a very
  • good huh well now see he had a very
  • Alyce's yes which I agree with a hundred
  • percent about the Democrats abandoning
  • the working class because they see this
  • a dying middle class is dead who cares
  • we love partying with the googles I
  • thought that was pretty astute and the
  • biggest part years of all of course with
  • the bankers yeah especially the
  • they'd rather be doing that because it's
  • always been the party of partiers mm-hmm
  • and yeah but this but then at the end he
  • kind of drops the ball by saying all my
  • doesn't necessarily it's not necessarily
  • true at all I have the best my country's
  • doom clip it's a long one but it's Rob
  • it's really good John yes it's Rob
  • Reiner with Nicole Wallace let me do a
  • mod first since you're in Australia and
  • we were talking about Australia the
  • nurse I do have a New Zealand clip just
  • just to be fair just to be impartial to
  • the to the islands so the New Zealanders
  • are they have this Laura and Southern
  • yes who's up there with with mola no way
  • Mon you that get who's just seems to be
  • pretty doesn't get a word in edgewise
  • hey let's do a podcast together
  • and so she's floating around she's the
  • one recent hey hey we should do a
  • podcast together one of these days she
  • got kicked out of the UK permanently I
  • thought she wasn't even allowed in no I
  • think yeah kicked out not allowed in she
  • can't go there yeah for what reason is
  • another mystery so you know it's just
  • like why okay veto of course we all
  • sharp that good idea she's pretty much
  • just on this anti Sharia anti she's
  • she's an aunt a diversity person and she
  • says she goes to New Zealand they cut
  • her off from all her speaking
  • and it's very hard to understand this
  • dis New Zealand er interviewer and this
  • on the show I have the whole clip he
  • goes dead at the end after she throws
  • what we got here more than that there's
  • when I checked last was around 70
  • percent of people here agreed we should
  • have the right to speak so there is this
  • radical minority that wants to decide
  • what the majority of people should think
  • is hate speech and should be shut down
  • well well what people say is hate speech
  • is when you say that diversity is a
  • weakness right and the suffered has been
  • at the time individuals who criticized
  • have been prosecuted under blasphemy
  • laws I now criticize the religion of
  • is the popular culture well what I said
  • to you Lauren southern is that New
  • Zealand is a dark based country you cite
  • obesity is a weakness this country is
  • known as a melting pot are you saying we
  • were weak will you accept the diverse
  • view that women should be stoned for the
  • what's wrong with that blood a dead air
  • so I didn't know that New Zealand saw
  • itself as this diverse melting pot
  • did you know I thought mmm and
  • can't criticize the whole idea of
  • oh we have enough New Zealanders and
  • they're gonna let us know exactly what's
  • going on I don't believe that it's hard
  • to believe that this whole thing isn't I
  • know what she likes to do she likes to
  • get herself into a pickle so she can
  • right and I don't know pull off a speech
  • she doesn't like I like her style but
  • she's uh she's a troublemaker you can
  • just tell oh that's a plus it is a plus
  • because you know at least someone's
  • know in some way I on some days I get up
  • I think it's just on Twitter and it
  • really is pretty much just on Twitter I
  • don't know about face bag because I'm
  • still not on it until you find she's
  • been kicked out of the UK for showing up
  • and she can't go back to the UK at all
  • she can't go visit Lucknow know what I
  • mean what I mean is this this general
  • the general argument and what what is
  • taking place it doesn't really spill
  • over into the real world that much and
  • there are days when I think well this
  • entire generation has grown up and you
  • know to believe that white privilege
  • exists to the degree that you have to
  • will that ever rectify and some days
  • it's a guy yeah yeah yeah people get
  • over it and they'll change their mind
  • but then I hear Rob Reiner I'm like no
  • no no no one will never get over it on
  • MSNBC of course plugging his movie which
  • is shocking ha the movie is about as far
  • as I understand it the run-up to the
  • Iraq war and how the press was thwarted
  • from telling the truth
  • oh really yeah oh yeah he is he's in my
  • view he's changing history by saying
  • that they knew what was going on but now
  • shut up and know who made them shut up
  • was there the minister true in my mind
  • it was the media the media were the ones
  • who were pushing it they were all in
  • that's what I saw I was Brit in the
  • media I didn't notice any of this
  • I was I saw it as a bunch of bullcrap
  • and ground zero to coin that phrase for
  • this but he used the phrase here was the
  • New York Times and the woman who had
  • that just incorrect non fact-checked
  • believe possibly about the one that was
  • kicked out yeah she she she was the one
  • and she she covered it up
  • so it was the media as far as I remember
  • but okay so that so he's revising that
  • now he's revising it to me of course you
  • can blame it turns out somehow to be
  • I wish it's only at the end because
  • that's when the plug comes in but just
  • just a couple minutes of Rob Reiner
  • has been keeping a running and not like
  • Nicole Wallace is much less unglued to
  • check her if you will the president the
  • way he speaks and and they've just
  • updated it 4229 false or misleading
  • claims in five hundred and fifty eight
  • days sixty seven and a half claims a day
  • I thought it was 16 in just June and
  • July thought it was 16 in just June and
  • that's 16 lies or falsehoods misleading
  • claims a day yeah is the biggest problem
  • I see with because I think of it as to
  • gonna point out one of the ones that was
  • pointed out to me where Sarah Huckabee
  • who's also a liar said that she was
  • saying they want to strangle her yeah
  • that's and it was pointed out as a
  • wanted to wring her neck it was a lie I
  • yeah it was a lie yeah well the lie you
  • know lies on the other side
  • no no not in that case they did what was
  • it will give me the backwards I don't
  • know let me see I think I have the clips
  • here umm wring her neck let me see if I
  • have it here oh this is it actually
  • again this may only be an ISO though
  • what is this person Walker how do you is
  • this the temptation to run up and wring
  • her neck why can't she just say that was
  • that's what the whole thing is based on
  • from Nicole Wallace saying how could you
  • stop from not going up and wanting to
  • wring her neck that's it's an expression
  • I know but then why does it get if
  • that came out about me I said they
  • wanted to choke me does that mean I'm a
  • liar to choke me does that mean I'm a
  • yeah to choke me does that mean I'm a
  • they just said they want to wring my
  • neck just said they want to wring my
  • you have no know did not say that said
  • what made you not want to go up there
  • and wring her neck wide it was a big
  • storm about nothing is bullshit there
  • was no point I'm trying to make is that
  • these so-called this category okay I got
  • I'm with you like little things the guy
  • says you know he gives a number that's
  • off by one he's a liar yeah he gives the
  • number that's off by 200 is a liar but
  • he's just throwing stuff out because
  • he's going to these speeches we just ad
  • libbing an hour speech yeah he's just
  • gonna have a bunch of numbers in front
  • of him it would be like this people
  • call us liars and water carriers for
  • Putin us liars and water carriers for
  • and whereas what's happening is
  • or we remember it differently or wrong
  • and getting it slightly wrong and making
  • little errors or making this just
  • same is the way they're trying to
  • portray this as like right in Liars yes
  • I'll tell them this and I'm yeah agreed
  • but it's a difficult one the one in the
  • case of Sarah Sanders because I heard
  • her on the podium say the words to the
  • effect of the you know your network it's
  • it's at fucking hey new careese law once
  • you bring in that term the conversations
  • it's meat Anoka and thank you for
  • Holland is in is in arms they can't
  • believe that John seat of war Ike used
  • the Dutch word meat Anoka they really
  • enjoyed that eyes or falsehoods for
  • the biggest problem I see with because I
  • think of it as too mainstream media's
  • you have you know Washington Post New
  • York Times all the networks except for
  • Fox working very hard to get the truth
  • out there are some really genuinely very
  • good journalists at Fox who are the good
  • be at Fox John who would they
  • and you know we've got Shepard Smith is
  • a good journalist he's not a journalist
  • he's a prompter reader what are you
  • talking about he has opinions he gives
  • the counter opinion on Fox but I think
  • is very good for Fox to do he's got a
  • yes he's got he's got that Ryan Seacrest
  • kind of vibe about him you could do
  • radio you should consider doing radio
  • you'd be really good shutter button chef
  • Smith but this is the first time that
  • you have mainstream media essentially
  • divided into two paths so that you have
  • you know Fox Breitbart Sinclair and Alex
  • Jones which has now been taken off the
  • face book thank God thank God it's all
  • face book I was just I was going crazy
  • seeing Alex Jones on Facebook what thank
  • God I didn't know if I would survive the
  • night without his joins on Facebook Rob
  • I'm so happy you survived it to hell man
  • what is this guy's priorities and what
  • is he doing laughs so that you have you
  • know Fox Breitbart Sinclair and Alex
  • Jones which has now been taken off the
  • you know the trafficking in another
  • all with Rafa 'king in another narrative
  • that's that's an interesting way of
  • saying they have a different viewpoint
  • or a different opinion but he uses the
  • subdue me well done I'd like that a lot
  • Tresa propagandistic trick
  • yes Goebbels is rolling over in his
  • grave and or on his beach towel in
  • another narrative and so you know when
  • it all with these guys that's it so
  • that's his film shocking awesome now now
  • he's plugging the movie the trafficking
  • in another narrative and so you know
  • when shocked at all with these guys that
  • for journalists who got the truth out
  • during the run-up to the war they were
  • facing headwinds of patriotism the
  • trauma of 9/11 but they weren't facing
  • the headwinds that real journalists who
  • are working very hard now to get the
  • truth that which is this cement block a
  • wall that they cannot penetrate with the
  • truth and that's the scary part so he's
  • saying that because Fox News is
  • talking about this is the truth all over
  • MSNBC and CNN and ABC CBS NBC isn't the
  • truth everywhere he's right there but
  • what I think what I think he's saying is
  • we're not reaching our fellow Americans
  • who have been misled by this hypnotic
  • Fox News that's what he's saying
  • except you know there's a there's
  • Smith block a wall that they cannot
  • scary part dogs were Brandt on this and
  • it was effective he said that you know
  • the media doesn't represent regular
  • people Hollywood doesn't write represent
  • regular people we are completely out of
  • touch with regular people and it worked
  • to his advantage
  • how do you have that to me would be a
  • clue let me see he said it's work it
  • worked what he was saying do it maybe we
  • are out of touch no no even I can make
  • it my position from time doesn't
  • doesn't write represent regular people
  • we are completely out of touch with
  • regular people and it worked to his
  • someone who produces films like shocked
  • and awed that our that our journalism
  • films but then also somebody in
  • you just have to keep pounding away
  • there's nothing else you can do I mean
  • look doesn't speak to the mainstream
  • media there people are angry and he will
  • feed them whatever they want unlike
  • unlike you who is being fed by the
  • Machine with stuff they want it's not
  • the same to keep that anger going and
  • you see it in the rallies he actually
  • calls for you know this kind of outraged
  • and take it out against the media take
  • it out against immigrants take it out
  • against whomever you want that's what he
  • does he keeps stirring this up but will
  • you'd have to stay at it you have to
  • stay at it there's no other way well if
  • you can I mean if you can if you don't
  • break through we're gonna have we are in
  • the right now it might be the last stage
  • of the Civil War the last battle is
  • being fought hopefully it won't be
  • fought physically wait a minute we're in
  • the last stages of the battle for the
  • Civil War hopefully it won't be fought
  • can now have tweeter teams and we're
  • gonna or is it all gonna happen on
  • look we are more divided than we ever
  • have been and we've got a president no
  • weren't we really divided in the actual
  • Civil War I'd say that was pretty
  • divided by think that's a little more
  • divided than what you see here you know
  • and huge armies going at it yeah brother
  • yeah blowing people up okay let's
  • is the worst ever we're gonna have we
  • are in the right now it might be the
  • last stage of a civil war the last
  • battle is before it won't be fun
  • we ever have been and we've got a
  • been backed up by essentially in sense
  • media it's all news and it's very very
  • scary right now this is so again and
  • this is really nuts this is the third
  • time I'm hearing the clip but it's all
  • about Fox you know and so it who of
  • course have top ratings so to me that
  • what he's really saying is oh my gosh oh
  • Ong Fox News has high ratings they're
  • buying it where everyone's being
  • look at the actual number of people who
  • he's not like CBS 60 minutes no it's
  • nothing like the big Network and it's
  • not big on the the big networks it
  • really is yeah so so he is I think what
  • he's saying is that he is so afraid that
  • this group of millions of viewers every
  • night and every day million is B ha is
  • being mind-controlled and this is going
  • to drive us to civil war hopefully not a
  • before this is we're almost at the end
  • of the Civil War it's not what he said
  • yeah didn't you hear that yeses we're
  • almost at the end of the Civil War with
  • no I don't know no she's I hope it
  • doesn't come to blow I thought he meant
  • the watch being fought hopefully it
  • won't be fought there we're gonna have
  • we are in right now it might be the last
  • stage of a civil war the last battle is
  • being fought hopefully it won't be for
  • your right oh okay interesting I hadn't
  • I didn't interpret it that way the first
  • time so this is the last stage which
  • means Fox has to come down is that it is
  • that is that rhino's last stand as Fox
  • News I didn't take that but I mean guys
  • I don't know what he's okay I don't know
  • what he's talking news yes I mean the
  • last stages the last battle oh that must
  • be that must be the midterm election
  • that that's what he's talking about
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  • may be apologized to be better
  • and it's going well the only list my
  • name has been attitude you know the
  • funny thing about that long cold read
  • that I did compared to this is a lot of
  • it has to do with the writing and
  • there's and the spacing and format it
  • there's a lot of stuff and it's reminds
  • me when you do teleprompter reading if
  • you have somebody that can write for you
  • and also you need the right operator oh
  • yeah oh yeah but if you have somebody
  • that can write for you you can read like
  • a like a breeze and you never flub it's
  • say they're just right I know who
  • they're writing for and you can't read
  • it it's just off paste and so you look
  • at it if you're watching TV and you're
  • guy's an idiot he could be very
  • lot to do with what they're reading
  • anyway it's my excuse and I'm sticking
  • been added to recently is the new AAA
  • list the associative Society of
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  • with no karma but would like some FS a
  • fellow of the Society of Actuaries exam
  • taking goat karma as I prepare for my
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  • about - train horn jingle for my smokin
  • hot wife who works for BNSF finally
  • please play a boob jingle for the next
  • boob donation not the baseball one it's
  • been too long please keep it a good work
  • it's a much-needed reminder that it's
  • always worth applying critical thought
  • to new information I'm not sure which
  • one I have lined up I don't know if it's
  • the baseball one
  • but I don't know you've got beautiful uh
  • Spencer Marshall and oh that was Spencer
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  • small group but dedicated and we
  • call yourself either an executive
  • see that someone would tweet it out a
  • and I think what the tweet said was a
  • large percentage of No Agenda producers
  • are experiencing job karma because it
  • says you know like 11 people got a new
  • job you know like 11 people got a new
  • and they're all no agenda producers who
  • put their no agenda producer ship in
  • their LinkedIn profile yeah I think
  • that's pretty fascinating I'm all in on
  • this quantum physics thing now yeah
  • exactly quantum physics thing now yeah
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  • hey you know who's back he knows da l
  • jingle makers is back Jeff Smith yes the
  • Jeff Smith GE o FF the Jeff Smith is
  • back Smith GE o FF the Jeff Smith is
  • he worked closed down so he's
  • give him the Karma first of all you've
  • got him the Karma first of all you've
  • karma but he Magus Lee it kind of gave
  • me the impression on the email that I
  • created some more jingles for us you
  • know what is a professional jingle maker
  • and we have a lot of people they can can
  • do jingles whether or not professionals
  • is the difference and the difference is
  • that his jingles are tight they're short
  • and tight ya know then and to the point
  • and they work incredibly well and in
  • this case you know it's the who but who
  • cares case you know it's the who but who
  • QQQ a musician joke there
  • lovely well I only have a few things to
  • the glasses just for a brief little
  • update do you have them there hold on a
  • sec snaps my head back when I put them
  • on you ready wait a minute I didn't get
  • mine on no are they on oh here's the
  • latest on no are they on oh here's the
  • from North Korea do not contain remains
  • they actually contain the server's the
  • DNC server hillary server and some other
  • server it's like four servers that are
  • being smuggled back into the country in
  • the coffins of the remains
  • well since they never opened the coffins
  • we have no idea what's in there could be
  • a bunch of Twix bars for all we know
  • yeah I don't know I don't know was that
  • a bit though I like it yeah these guys
  • on acid Scott Adams you know Scott Adams
  • with a visited the White House he was
  • with the president you see that yeah I
  • saw that picture that's actually a
  • cutout no I don't think so so he did his
  • saw it and he told about he talked about
  • his experience but he was very sincere
  • and consistent was saying I'm not gonna
  • tell you what we talked about which he
  • was that's not proper like are you
  • kidding me if I visited the White House
  • I'd be I'd go right down to the you know
  • the the the shoelaces on his shoes I'd
  • be explaining everything just like the
  • king of Holland you'd do as much as you
  • can why would you not unless there was
  • some strategy that he thinks I think
  • what it was was his showing this is just
  • this this is me I still got these
  • glasses on so yes no of course that's
  • why we bring it up yep I think what it
  • is is he's vying for a job who within
  • the administration and he's showing that
  • he can keep a secret
  • unlike most of the leakers working there
  • your cue vision is working very well
  • today and like that very good well this
  • morning he did another periscope and he
  • said cue is bullshit it's he he
  • it will only wind up in severe
  • he's pushing out disinformation the
  • and Q will drop some crumbs to let us
  • know yeah yeah and hopefully I'll be
  • able to report on that on Sunday show
  • cuckoo could you now before you take
  • them off John just just look out the
  • window right now before I do that before
  • the other one I should mention this is
  • Sunday show if I'm not mistaken yeah I'm
  • in Thursday I know I'm a different this
  • I do it all the time I do it all the
  • time no I do it a lot no I do it a lot
  • I'm confused because every day is Sunday
  • to me John look up look up look up look
  • up look at the sky yeah
  • do you see the moon bases blue sky okay
  • I can see the moon bases with him I'm
  • taking mine off take it off okay we're
  • done you know whether they're on or off
  • one thing is the same
  • the mudflats they're still there and
  • anyway Jeff's back could not be happier
  • and we have some other stuff that he's a
  • Centon we'll be using over the course of
  • the next few shows no doubt so thank you
  • sir Jeff Smith long term
  • a contributor to the show
  • alright hey what do we have what you got
  • I got something there you should have
  • some you know the Koch brothers all are
  • the Koch brothers the Koch brothers we
  • talked about the you know they're
  • bailing out they didn't ever like Trump
  • and they didn't want him to get to win
  • and they had all just finally have rooks
  • and shields those shields been sidelined
  • for this last show and they had somebody
  • I can remember a brown recline or
  • client the smarter guy the guy they
  • should use him they should get rid of
  • shields and guys blithering idiot it's
  • not like an ad just for saying that but
  • he just just lost he's lost it like this
  • bitch moan about Trump yeah so they're
  • talking about the Koch brothers and how
  • they're you know they don't like Trump
  • and they they're bitching about
  • that but then it cuts over to she into
  • Brooks who actually says something
  • these years but what he says has a kind
  • of a secondary little meaning that it
  • needs a little discussion pay for what
  • it what it wants to do it's interesting
  • the way that these groups are fighting
  • so on the one hand Donald Trump is given
  • the Coase a lot of what they want not
  • where there have been convergences Mike
  • Pence is a very close coke ally a lot of
  • folks in the Trump administration
  • because fans have a lot of authority
  • over staffing have come from that world
  • and there are a lot of things that Shep
  • on taxes they've been quite happy with
  • but in their parts where Trump is more
  • not been the spending thing is
  • Donald Trump they'll jump doesn't have
  • been pushing those bills for Mitch
  • forward so to the extent that they're
  • upset over more than just free trade
  • they're all so upset with Republicans in
  • Trump that strikes me as a little bit
  • across purposes and people they
  • about making all these spending
  • with Trump and that's on how you win
  • do well they do terribly onions when
  • lot of evidence that their method is
  • really a great metaphor for winning
  • message and a guy with a Facebook and a
  • Twitter account and so it's not the big
  • say in a media age like we're in now
  • way well all right that very astute 16
  • the students said it has an issue yeah
  • it's anti media ooh yes good point that
  • is anti media PBS yeah because you're
  • takin away their their core core cash
  • cow is any election yeah and so they
  • want to coke good method they don't care
  • whether it works or not they just want
  • to bitch about the cokes and all that
  • but most of the meetings that has the
  • money by PBS not taking that money but
  • little they get it around in a
  • be saying this and he's brisk is career
  • on the TV by saying this by saying that
  • you know well you don't need to spend
  • all that money what yeah PBS that's the
  • same thing if you remember there are
  • real basic analysis here
  • yes underwriting advertising the the
  • model is spend a lot of money bitch and
  • moan about campaign finance reform and
  • make a big we need more spent more
  • they're gonna spend two billion this
  • year oh my god the finance reform is
  • says no boo they're spending two billion
  • we got to spend two billion so it's the
  • whole thing is a scam to get more money
  • in the coffers I wish we could find the
  • les Moonves clip where he's at a
  • about how great his last election was
  • because of all the money being spent I
  • think it refers to the to the Romney
  • Obama election no no no it was it was
  • for advertising was during the primaries
  • I see Moonves I thought we had that
  • right now and I've never seen it this
  • hot for a number of years third quarter
  • scatter was phenomenally good and fourth
  • is even better than
  • that so as the year ends and we move
  • into sixteen guess what in 16 we have an
  • extra AFC champion playoff game we have
  • the Super Bowl and we have a year of
  • it's shaping up to be pretty phenomenal
  • you know we love having all 16
  • each other it's great the more they
  • spend the better it is for us and go
  • Donald keeps keep getting out there and
  • you know this is this is fun you know
  • the you know watching this let him spend
  • money on us and we love having them in
  • in there we're looking forward to a very
  • an investor's call as what it was yeah
  • well this is a good example that was a
  • that was one of the few times where all
  • she gets something like that on tape
  • like he said go Donald
  • mr. hashtag wasn't expecting it this is
  • pre you know this is during the
  • this show hey we got you we got a clip
  • of you Moonves but that's the model and
  • that's so when you start talking about
  • the Koch brothers being marginalized in
  • this their method doesn't work you
  • should just you have a message and again
  • a couple of social media accounts nobody
  • wants to hear that they want the old
  • model in the model is and I'll say it
  • again spend a lot of money more and more
  • money that's how you win you win by
  • are spending too much money we've got to
  • stop it we can't afford it and then you
  • don't do anything The Wall Street
  • Journal had a pretty good article about
  • Moonves and the title of it was CBS
  • scandal is neatly timed exactly what we
  • could be chery chery Redstone's play
  • that would get what I would believe that
  • that's what the Wall Street Journal
  • and I have a little update on Harvey
  • his court case where he can be sentenced
  • to court case where he can be sentenced
  • got I think he's gonna I think he's
  • gonna get off I don't think he's gonna
  • go to jail at all I think he's gonna I
  • think he's gonna walk - yeah I think so
  • here we go he was once the most famous
  • film producer in Hollywood but outrage
  • over Harvey Weinstein's alleged crimes
  • have left him infamous and kicked off
  • the me2 movement leading many women to
  • speak out against sexual misconduct in
  • the workplace mr. Weinstein has already
  • but now his lawyer is trying to get the
  • entire case thrown out saying in part
  • that the jury hasn't been told the full
  • story the defense says that dozens of
  • emails dating from weeks up to four
  • years after an alleged rape in 2013 that
  • were exchanged between Weinstein and an
  • accuser show that they had a long-term
  • no point referenced an assault they say
  • that these emails should have been shown
  • to the grand jury
  • so that they could make an informed
  • thrown out of court on technical grounds
  • mr. Weinstein's lawyers claim some
  • charges aren't detailed enough and that
  • they weren't sufficiently notified about
  • others they also claimed the case was
  • rushed to court under pressure from
  • like Gwyneth Paltrow lined up to say
  • that he had behaved inappropriately with
  • them Harvey Weinstein was once a
  • charge that can see him locked away for
  • life and nearly 100 women publicly
  • you know somewhere else in in the court
  • emails are talking about is one of his
  • man how hard is it to figure out that's
  • Julianne Moore that apparently there was
  • a you know ten year long email
  • Harvey and you know but that was not
  • grand jury when the case was introduced
  • to them so I would say that's pretty
  • I was talking to Steve patch enok last
  • week yeah and a typical Pacini call and
  • we talked about stuff and you know then
  • we're talking about the movie of my life
  • I was welcome for saying that yeah you
  • got a great story that he knows Harvey
  • very well you know he's always pitching
  • me he knows Harvey really well because
  • of the net for series and all the work
  • the co-writing or as he would say almost
  • all the writing for the what's-his-face
  • yeah you know I'm talking about no yeah
  • the the the writer come on good writer
  • Jenica wrote it wrote all these books
  • for him clear and present danger guy
  • Clancy him clear and present danger guy
  • trying to find some Clancy Clancy classy
  • yet the insurance salesman Clancy
  • so pachán ik was out there in in
  • TV series etc and so again you know
  • checks like I ever did the movie of your
  • life said I don't want to yeah I don't
  • have to blow a Harvey Weinstein to get
  • movie today always says he says I can
  • say this says Harvey just an ugly Jewish
  • boy and women were throwing himself at
  • him he's not a rapist then coming from
  • poach an egg that's a pretty strong
  • there had to be an element of women
  • throwing themselves at him I don't think
  • it's not deniable if you have the kind
  • of power that he finally achieved where
  • he could make or break your career and
  • put you in a movie and make you a star
  • mm-hmm but there's a lot of women and
  • I'm not saying all women or there's a
  • lot of there's also some super talented
  • women they would never do this under a
  • million years and some that even less
  • some women that would just throw
  • this guy to get me a job I used my
  • and you know bat in the eye at bat you
  • know women abet I always tell him to go
  • do this go bat your eyes at the guy you
  • watch sure they'll do it just bat your
  • eyes MJ everything will be fine trust
  • your old man never see my daughter but
  • so you do that doesn't think that
  • it happens to a lot yeah I've been
  • only the gay guys producer you would
  • have gotten both sides of it possibly I
  • don't know but I'm just saying that that
  • made me second think this and look back
  • at all the evidence and would this
  • really it's hard to have evidence and I
  • don't want to take anything away from it
  • anybody but I think the guy will walk I
  • don't think there's enough against him
  • and I think in fact there's probably
  • enough for him that is going to be very
  • it's gonna be a shitty conversation if
  • people really talk about it if a lot of
  • it comes out because yes I'm some women
  • now and it's gonna be beside herself and
  • this guy it's off yes and no pun
  • it's possible because the guy is a
  • yeah not a writer but a storyteller
  • because he knows how to get these things
  • done correctly well I mean change speed
  • I have to say the King's Speech was
  • Harvey Weinstein's best work that was a
  • really him who put that together and
  • made that work he will get back into the
  • business that work he will get back into the
  • because he this is business what else is
  • he gonna do sit around and both no he'll
  • kill dude the apology tour get away with
  • it mm-hmm put himself back into a
  • yeah and that Clues paltrow everybody on
  • that list they're all derald except for
  • Streep you know they're all gonna yeah
  • we're Streep still hasn't really said
  • she's probably didn't do it you know why
  • because she probably knows she may be
  • coming from the same schools like Wow
  • sorry he may not he may be a bad boy but
  • here's what I'm not being I yeah I'm
  • sure someone will accuse me of being an
  • angles which is what we what we luckily
  • can do on this show since there's no one
  • here to cut us off because the
  • yeah I'm not gonna say that you're full
  • of crap on this one because you're not
  • this is actually what's gonna happen
  • yeah I think so too I think is gonna go
  • I think he's gonna walk I think is gonna
  • get he's gonna he's gonna do his apology
  • tour he's gonna be out on all the talk
  • shows because he's gonna be kind of the
  • go on and on he'll get didn't he's gonna
  • do a small a couple small independent
  • films you know done by up-and-comers
  • with a bunch of new new talent and then
  • he's gonna start making yeah that's dude
  • the skills that he has is nothing that
  • you can just it's not like it's not like
  • falling off a log it's it takes a lot of
  • time and energy Mel Gibson Mel Gibson's
  • back now you know it's okay this is this
  • is what I will say almost regardless of
  • the crime whatever you do in America you
  • always get a second chance yeah unless
  • you're in prison right unless you're
  • like professor Li adopted no second
  • chance for professor Ted no no am I
  • gonna have no it won't let us see now
  • ooh this was a Washington Post just
  • noclip just a little mention here we
  • were I had a theory about Cavanaugh
  • Brett Kavanaugh and based upon some
  • clips that we know that Trump's sister
  • that person ticked all the boxes but
  • they went with Cavanaugh anyway and my
  • the can of worms about the Clinton and
  • and the Washington Post is already
  • diving in headfirst after investigating
  • Clinton White House and Vincent Faust
  • change of heart so there they stood
  • there of all the papers in the country
  • the suckers yeah they they fell for wop
  • oh yeah they jumped headfirst full
  • article all about what happened about
  • star and and what Cavanaugh's role was
  • and the controversy over the gunshot in
  • Fort Marcy Park there's they're ahead of
  • the game they're dredging it up now when
  • do we start with the confirmation
  • soon isn't it's got to be within the
  • next couple weeks yeah yeah so we'll see
  • this is we it could be some we might be
  • right on this one we'll say this was
  • this thing people might want to
  • some armor cuz it's just a trump ad and
  • money and you need money no no not for
  • this newsletter oh you just can't go
  • beyond the newsletter then you have to
  • you can get past most of these you can't
  • get yeah you can get through some of
  • them otherwise it is called the post
  • most and it's all just Trump hey I'm a
  • Trump jump jump and here's the one yes
  • really and so this one's this headline
  • was at the top of the listen isn't big
  • bold big bigger pic type fonts and says
  • the following Trump at a precarious
  • moment in his presidency privately
  • brooding and publicly roaring that's the
  • about the Russian probe and the legal
  • fate of his son okay
  • into public appearances and then they go
  • on about these public appearances that
  • he's been doing because he's on the
  • over the place I'm reading this thinking
  • to myself do they think this is new with
  • him exactly what he's been doing this is
  • what he did before he got elected this
  • is what he's been doing after he got
  • elected what is new about this and by
  • the way people if somebody said well
  • he's just campaigning is
  • ready for anything this is what I run
  • Twitter and I didn't want to get into it
  • but what I was thinking was we used to
  • talk about this with Obama all the time
  • yes he would consistently be on the road
  • out there doing campaigns yeah yeah even
  • after he was reelected he wished he
  • would keep doing it and he was good at
  • it yeah he was good and Trump is good at
  • these hour-long us although someone
  • needs to work on staging I don't know if
  • you saw Saturday speech right behind the
  • the president left were two girls who
  • looked like the girls in the shining it
  • was frightening did you see this those
  • it was crazy scary I've expecting Jack
  • they would clap once in a whi didn't
  • watch the whole speech I just watched
  • some parts of it but it was a clay was
  • the same you know I guess the one of the
  • few speeches I started to watch it's
  • like putting on a CNN was running it
  • online and I'm thinking why are they
  • doing that cuz it's just a bunch of anti
  • CNN material but ok so they're running
  • it and I'm actually get kind of bored
  • with it about half when they had
  • saw those two girls and they would
  • smile they weren't whooping it up they
  • weren't having much fun it looked like
  • ya need to work on the staging that was
  • the big problem I don't know whose kids
  • they were but that was not a good look I
  • almost think his first kind of talks
  • about the whole thing being first-come
  • I don't think so because these things
  • are tight I love how the audio is really
  • tight tight I love how the audio is really
  • melee always wraps up and I think you
  • should work on this but ok it's working
  • for me we'll make America safe again
  • we'll make America strong again will
  • make America rich again will make
  • you can't always get what you want I
  • mean that is tight they jam that right
  • on top of them
  • so someone someone's doing staging well
  • though they say yeah and accuse it so it
  • works oh yeah I totally accuse it well
  • let's talk about some some Trump hate
  • and really hate against specifically CNN
  • and Jim Acosta I have a couple of clips
  • that we I think we should discuss and we
  • should point out that you know this this
  • rally where he was so afraid and think
  • CNN suck CNN sucks if he was just
  • fearing for his life for his safety if
  • you think there's a put the page in the
  • show no there's really no audio that's
  • of any use but you know yeah there's the
  • video of the people yelling CNN stocks
  • but then there's a video where he's half
  • off that podium doing selfies handing
  • out autographs you know he's so afraid
  • so this is a complete charade as far as
  • I know and I'm no Journal is you never
  • want to be the story you really don't
  • and Jim Acosta is it is is just chubbing
  • over being the story he loves being the
  • story and he's not really a journal does
  • he have any real journal credits he's
  • just a Yeller you see cause we should
  • yeah we should look at this we should
  • look at the wiki pages yes now we call
  • that consulting the book of knowledge
  • another did a media career radio guy
  • it doesn't have any awards do i it
  • well he's basically a talking head he's
  • been on the radio then he went on
  • wrote what radio was he the top 40 DJ
  • what was he doing does it say his first
  • job which was the WWE mal mal mal W mal
  • that's a.m. news talk radio Washington
  • DC 10,000 watts in the daytime he was a
  • reporter substitute anchor I remained at
  • that job until 98 he's always a news
  • reader good news newsreader newsreader
  • but he's he's really doing the job very
  • well so that the CNN continues to
  • CNN with the media with enemy of the
  • people whereas the quote still remains
  • at actually it has been expanded fake
  • news like CNN okay that's that is now
  • the definition of the enemy of the
  • people fake news like CNN or CNN fake
  • news it's CNN specifically the Trump is
  • now calling out am I correct
  • well he does call him out yes he'll say
  • MSNBC no no never does CNN so Jim Acosta
  • you know I had one yelling CNN soccer
  • ooh boy I'm so scared and I've been in
  • these situations is not that scary and
  • these people weren't mad and ready to
  • lynch you but April Ryan's certainly
  • thought so and she was on with Don Lemon
  • and they had a very thoughtful convo
  • about it I'm sure this is very different
  • do you sit in that room again as I said
  • the most esteemed podium in the world
  • and the most esteemed podium in the
  • world really I can think of some you
  • know how about the Oscar stage would
  • that be more esteemed or is this is this
  • the one or do you just sit there and say
  • I cannot believe that someone is
  • media and the American people why go in
  • she's with the black national
  • going in for was this a bunch of just
  • lie lightly because what's the point I
  • can eat a hamburger I'll tell you why
  • I'll tell you why Woodward and Bernstein
  • and this is a way that the journals who
  • do not go into war-torn areas can still
  • say that they're in danger every day of
  • their lives that's what this is about
  • we're in danger too back at home it's
  • the American people or I'm gonna say
  • this to you today when she said that I
  • about you know how we get leaked
  • we don't just walk into an office and
  • open files and take lead information and
  • our sources are giving it to us
  • giving it to us willingly because
  • they're whistleblowers ah hold on a
  • second now she's saying that these
  • to me well she started off with a
  • use a performative by saying you're
  • asking me a question I'm a reporter I
  • say well I'm going to say this to you
  • that's exactly that's what she said
  • that's a performative which may not be
  • what she believes but that's just what
  • she's saying to you yeah I'm going to
  • say this to you and then she says
  • she's gonna say he's got nothing to do
  • with anything necessarily so why is she
  • doing that and for her to assume or to
  • say that we are just gathering it we're
  • wrong no she's not she's changing the
  • facts and if you want to say she's lying
  • she's lying and I agree with that it was
  • to play you know you don't play with
  • words you don't play with moments
  • water peace and everything in between
  • that's a serious moment in a serious
  • place and Jim Acosta's life in my
  • opinion was in jeopardy that night there
  • was a safety issue it was a safety issue
  • and you know she gets run out of a
  • that wasn't a safety issue and this
  • Donald J Trump has stoked the flames for
  • their lives their safety is in jeopardy
  • their lives in jeopardy at these rallies
  • if something has got to stop well she
  • it's taxpayer-funded she gets
  • that she Stokes yeah but yeah this okay
  • it's freedom of speech for us it is not
  • right and I talked to Ari Fleischer
  • former White House press secretary under
  • george w bush and we had our back and
  • forth quite a bit you know and I've had
  • back and forth with even Robert Gibbs
  • but it never it was always a friendly
  • changing lives the pain is I have to say
  • that a couple of things here number one
  • we don't forgot
  • is dawn these serious intellectual Don I
  • really like a couple things here on
  • April we've got my glasses on so you
  • should take me kind of serious as the
  • they need it and many journalists need
  • it now because of what this president
  • and this administration everybody needs
  • are hello security
  • you know it started with lock her up you
  • know build a wall and all of these build
  • the wall that was that bad to your
  • CNN sucks it's not about but I don't
  • think Trump ever started any of those he
  • of course this team even why would you
  • shut that down CNN it's just about the
  • behavior like you're sitting in so Sunan
  • is whining because for a second first of
  • all she's bitching about this security
  • thing you know you know Sarah gets a the
  • only press woman in the world ever to
  • have to have Secret Service because of
  • the nut balls out there that you guys
  • have stoked let's don't get into that
  • and definitely don't want to discuss it
  • hey CNN is a huge operation they can
  • afford to put a detail on this guy if
  • it's that important yeah I'm sure they
  • do have money I'm sure they do
  • yeah they got plenty of money they could
  • put a detail on this guy he's really
  • under some sort of a net to worry about
  • it or they could take him off that
  • there's plenty of people this guy from
  • the looks of his wiki page he's not no
  • what's how are the ratings were seeing
  • are they completely in the crapper or
  • are they okay yeah they're no good in
  • the crapper also that so this is Jeff
  • perhaps they're talking about it like MH
  • 13 or damage 370 whatever it was now
  • yeah the missing one up you know build a
  • wall and all of these unseemly chance
  • and now it's CNN sucks
  • it's not about CNN it's about CNN
  • no one's chanting MSNBC sucks they're
  • only saying CNN should be clue lock her
  • up you know build a wall and all of
  • these unseemly chance and now it's CNN
  • sucks unseemly chance and now it's CNN
  • it's not about CNN it's just about the
  • behavior like you're sitting here so CNN
  • is whining because there is it said
  • about any other network or any other
  • person in the crowd or any other entity
  • we would be having this conversation
  • when they have these 10 people and they
  • have what's-her-name that one woman that
  • real that the Cuban woman who just
  • claims to be ran out of arrow and
  • Navarro she is though that's dignified
  • are you kidding me Rob Reiner pretty
  • let's all let's finish this up the 7 sex
  • is supposed to be a dignified respectful
  • things don't become dignified because
  • you say you said what you say it like
  • instead of signified like we said you
  • signify signified it's it's actually
  • be having this conversation because this
  • is supposed to be a dignified
  • reading and hearing what you're seeing
  • or whatever it's not true and so further
  • from the man himself he has a very
  • of all let me just speak on behalf of my
  • CNN colleagues and knowing that no one
  • ever called laboratory to be choked or
  • and number two why can't this White
  • House acknowledge that the media is not
  • the enemy of the people because they
  • said CNN fake news CNN is the enemy of
  • sadly Brooke I think what what you saw
  • the president the true feelings of many
  • of the people who work in this
  • appears in their heart of hearts that
  • the journalists who cover this White
  • House the journalists who work in this
  • city who were just trying a few moments
  • to go to hold some of these officials
  • at this White House all the way up to
  • the president evidently believe that
  • to the media to journalists I heard this
  • by the way and I was very annoyed by it
  • I'm listening to the radio and they have
  • that our news break and it's CBS mm-hmm
  • CBS News News talking about some
  • enemy as quote make that quote out of
  • the blue yeah and I'm thinking they're
  • just the whole complex is trying to
  • pound this home now here's the problem
  • they have the way I see it yeah he
  • didn't say that he didn't and but you
  • can be even if you claim that he did say
  • it and you keep pounding that he said it
  • and he said it how is this helping you
  • you got lousy you got lousy numbers in
  • public opinion polls the media does the
  • mass media the big boys the m5 MS you
  • got lousy numbers the president's saying
  • bad things about CNN and you're taking
  • it on as they saying bad things about
  • you so you created this quote that the
  • media is the enemy of journalists and
  • now journalists and the president is the
  • one no matter who he is it could be
  • social norms of a country you're making
  • well we have to the president evidently
  • of the people literally the enemy of the
  • people literally the enemy you should
  • call your Lib joes hey you better move I
  • know where you are you're the enemy of
  • and I gave all there except for Ivanka
  • Trump and I and I tried to pose that
  • said no she doesn't think that that
  • would imagine someone in a business
  • argument with you or maybe an editor and
  • saying to you listen Dvorak your own
  • do doesn't even think the way you
  • how would you respond to that
  • yeah yeah okay you're the enemy and you
  • saw it unfold there I was given I was
  • giving saris several opportunities there
  • to set the record straight and she just
  • flat refused and I think what you can
  • of what she's experienced very
  • her for that my goodness she has taken
  • on a lot but at the same time she also
  • has come up here to this podium on her
  • on a regular basis and continue to tell
  • the American people but you know
  • podium more lies have taken place at
  • that podium throughout history than any
  • other place this what this is what
  • happens it's a big lie it's it so of
  • course it's propaganda it's spin we have
  • to call that stuff out we have to
  • business God how you doing and so on and
  • have to call that stuff out we have to
  • real time dealing with this president
  • because he tells falsehoods and lies so
  • much and you know it's unfortunate that
  • the position that we're all in right now
  • and and I'm standing in this briefing
  • room right now there is no government
  • press is not the enemy of the people and
  • you know that's not I mean that wasn't
  • in the question Jimba Costello I think
  • you know maybe we should make some
  • bumper stickers let's take some notes
  • here hold on a second there's some stuff
  • we need to do John your journal are you
  • a journal
  • yeah I shouldn't mention the Newseum yes
  • and other side of Washington C had a
  • had a t-shirts for sale saying you're
  • fake that they had to take out of the
  • other out of the museum store your face
  • yeah as in fake news is the Newseum it's
  • the Newseum as yeah yeah I know I'm
  • no it's not funny but it was it was a
  • shirt that they were selling for some
  • we don't want these shirts out and about
  • well apparently bumper stickers are the
  • way to go and this is where a cost that
  • makes a very feeble attempt to rally
  • press is not the enemy of the people and
  • you know I think you know maybe we
  • should make some bumper stickers make
  • some buttons you know maybe we should go
  • out on Pennsylvania Avenue like these
  • folks who chant CNN sucks and fake news
  • maybe we should go out all all
  • the enemy of the people
  • I mean how can you make a chant out of
  • it two four six eight who do we
  • we're not okay give me the bumper
  • sticker what's on the bumper sticker
  • it's gonna be across my entire bumper if
  • CNN is not the enemy of the people nor
  • are journos or journalists and free
  • press freedom rules calm okay good idea
  • Jim because it is not right it is not
  • fair it is not just it is on American to
  • come out here and call the press the
  • enemy of the people and Ivanka Trump
  • I don't know what evanka trunk is a
  • trunk don't know what evanka trunk is a
  • if uncle trunk is a domed it's one day
  • to these guys in the next she's she's so
  • she what is she fighting and I don't
  • know why this press secretary doesn't I
  • mean she got yelled at at a restaurant
  • in Virginia I'm sorry about that
  • I feel badly for her that that happened
  • the whole story
  • we're fact-checking in real time here
  • that's a lie Jim Acosta just yelled that
  • she just got kicked out to your home how
  • they followed her family my home is my
  • life and I don't know why this press
  • at at a restaurant in Virginia I'm sorry
  • about that I feel badly for her that
  • that happened and that's actually Jim
  • good words sure no lie you lie lie lie
  • lie check false not a comedian a
  • about that she ought to hear some of the
  • things that were said to me the other
  • night in Tampa she oughta read some of
  • the things that are said about my
  • would be nice if we all why don't you go
  • to Reddit and see what they say about me
  • douche for the temperature a little bit
  • but at the very least I think we should
  • all be able to agree on one thing and
  • that is the press is not the enemy of
  • fellow Americans not the enemy of fellow
  • Rob Reiner we've we've taken it down to
  • fellow Americans now so it's gone from
  • fake news fake new CNN CNN journalists
  • sure knows American people on a regular
  • basis it would be nice if we all lowered
  • the temperature a little bit but at the
  • very least I think we should all be able
  • to agree on one thing
  • and that is the press is not the enemy
  • of the people fellow Americans are not
  • the enemy of fellow Americans and I you
  • know forgive me for going on a rant but
  • I think that they've lost sight of that
  • here at this White House for gay men
  • forgive me if I went on a rant here
  • that's the whole reason you're there Jim
  • well fine I'll wrap this up with some
  • serious hate and it's serious because
  • it's from NPR so we always know that
  • they're very serious this is once again
  • the the weekly news rundown Jack baby
  • Dee has got to be my favorite guy and
  • having just watched the movie based upon
  • your recommendation it's an apropos clip
  • I watched the death of Stalin and I
  • liked it very much thank you for that
  • wreck oh thank you Dad I gave the wreck
  • oh yeah the wrecker was groovy it was
  • not you said it's a comedy it is a
  • comedy but it is indeed a very British
  • comedy where just everything is it's
  • almost like a Monty Python sketch in a
  • way you know I mean Michael Palin was in
  • it well then that has yeah I would have
  • what I mean it's like it's not like
  • what even what to call it it was not a
  • laugh out loud comedy even though there
  • were some laugh out loud moments a
  • couple usually were there shooting
  • oh no more lists oh sorry
  • or how about when when Stalin is dead
  • and he's crap destroys in a coma and
  • he's crapped his pants in the pool of
  • pee and everybody keeps kneeling in it
  • no one wanted to touch him because his
  • pee everywhere I mean it was that was
  • comedic Lee funny I thought that was
  • very very good but also historically
  • it's interesting to to watch this movie
  • you know what the Stalin period was
  • about in a in one from one particular
  • view kind of look I would say over
  • wasn't discussed cuz I ended up reading
  • about all these guys and and Baria
  • wasn't just taken out and summarily shot
  • in the head as they're dragging him out
  • he actually went to her actual trial and
  • then they shot him in the head right
  • anyway so I just brought up Stalin
  • because it's in this clip yeah here's
  • Jack Beatty were back to the weekend
  • hating Trump so it was interesting at
  • the podium yesterday at the White House
  • Sarah Sanders speaking about this she
  • said quote the media has attacked me
  • that's she's speaking about CNN when I
  • host was when I hosted the
  • Beatty she's the first press secretary
  • in the history of the u.s. that's
  • there she is Sarah Sanders saying you
  • know there are two sides to this story
  • but the Washington Post looks at her
  • claims and on the comedian they point
  • out that the journalists themselves were
  • alarmed and expressed dismay over the
  • over the comedians comments and on other
  • things that Sarah brought up you know
  • the best that they could point to would
  • be comment someone made on Kate cable
  • as the as the post lays it out wildly
  • out of context to allow Sarah to have
  • this moment of self pity you know this
  • phrase enemies of the people yet it's a
  • to the communist party where he was
  • making a sort of you know putting the
  • sins of Stalinism out out and he said
  • this that the phrase enemies of the
  • people quote was specifically introduced
  • for the purpose of physically
  • Stalin's physically annihilating it is a
  • to apply it to two reporters and to the
  • into the media in a year when we have
  • seen after all you know journalists
  • killed for being journalists is is
  • playing with fire I think we need to add
  • to the Trump rotation worse then Stalin
  • well I don't know if that's any
  • but okay me well but specifically with
  • this enemy of the people
  • yeah you're probably right cuz it's been
  • coming up I heard the Stalin thing much
  • before so it has been coming up and
  • maybe in the rotation not to pull that
  • up make a change it's online
  • what's online list though is it what's
  • it called Trump rotation well it's under
  • cosmic wienie I'm just gonna see how
  • that works so well Trump rotation hmm
  • cosmic cosmic wienie slash Trump
  • rotation dot HTM that would be one guess
  • okay let's see Trump
  • rotation HD yet you don't even know what
  • and I got forgot well you won't just
  • write this down a map of URL to it no
  • map URL babe do you think as it is Trump
  • that's not the name of it it what does
  • it get gibbeh gibbeh gibbeh gibbeh
  • that is what it's called on this this is
  • the name of this file I'm just yeah I
  • can change it okay I have it here well I
  • don't see Stalin on this no I said
  • on yeah yeah that's a nice list yeah
  • why is criminal highlighted and
  • thing is that's a different category and
  • all those underneath oh okay oh it's a
  • when did you stop doing this page like
  • why are there no blink tags it needs it
  • I think you could do it you could do a
  • blink tags I believe area legal now it
  • is oh no you did the blink tag and Marky
  • is I think so yes Marky Marky is also a
  • that would be good yeah Marky we can
  • have these just scrolling by on the page
  • very nice alright anyway that's an HTM
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  • anyway I have a series of clips if we
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  • nobody about poop but of course it's
  • about poop okay good well not just about
  • poop poop okay good well not just about
  • it's about Twitter and poop and
  • poop outbreak oh well good
  • they are I said this is to get these
  • public toilets off the streets I thought
  • it was the plastic bags that were banned
  • well that's and that's turns out to be a
  • public toilets and they're all around
  • some of them were near Twitter and
  • there's so many bums hanging around
  • Twitter they said yeah maybe we get rid
  • of the toilet so I'll get rid of the
  • bums and neither what happened they got
  • rid of the toilets but they didn't get
  • rid of the bumps that I got poop all
  • over the place well this is a chopped up
  • from the toilet spec chopped up from an
  • NPR report I believe and Twitter wants
  • to build to employee cafeterias which as
  • you know is has come under fire in
  • it View was that face bag who was
  • face bags buddies free food and it's not
  • economy because all these rich rich
  • they're all sitting there eating their
  • free food and it's bad it's bad for the
  • here's just a couple of quotes from this
  • little back and forth from the panel
  • here's Nellie Bowles most businesses say
  • the biggest challenge for them is street
  • crime is the the sorry state of San
  • security and the cost of that's the real
  • John it's Jerry we've got a major
  • problem on the streets especially in mid
  • market and you know UN Plaza and Civic
  • Center and you know UN Plaza and Civic
  • it's a heroin den of activity the
  • people in the evenings from BART three
  • blocks to the symphony hall that's
  • what's driving business away from is
  • Market Street it's not a couple of
  • a hundred and eighty thousand jobs in
  • San Francisco since the depths of the
  • seven years there are plenty of
  • evening and daytime street life if we
  • clean up our street oh this okay there's
  • plenty here I call ourselves I'm sorry
  • plenty of plenty of people plenty of
  • people to make it up we're the Twitter
  • eats in-house or not we just have to
  • clean up the streets and yes yes there
  • are issues with the poop John let me
  • bring our callers on and let's go I
  • think we have pain on how can are you
  • there that's going okay now that I hear
  • your voice go ahead right yes downtown
  • and my office doesn't offer doesn't have
  • a cafeteria so we have to go out but
  • it's so bad out there that it's
  • to go get food so sometimes we'll just
  • have to order lunch and have it
  • matter on the streets and crazy people
  • what you have to look forward to and
  • then there was just one funny bit that
  • people throw I told you that wasn't a
  • while ago this one there's one homeless
  • guy and he definitely has mental issues
  • and he was eating out of the garbage can
  • and I wanted to bring him some food that
  • I had leftover I don't know the
  • I'm coming up said hey and he looked
  • away get away get away like holy shit
  • bro was you know that's
  • you know that kind of problem on the
  • well they're not gonna get it then there
  • was just one funny little flub in this
  • Twitter Facebook and go squid squid or
  • dinner you couldn't get the name right
  • titters square to square tater talking
  • mainly about square tater Twitter
  • Facebook and and Google I think you want
  • to say Foursquare probably it's so out
  • of it I don't think anyone uses
  • I'm the mayor I'm the mayor of pop Ville
  • oh man I can't wait can't wait to see it
  • you had a sequence of clips you wanted
  • to do I have a whole sequence of clips
  • and I partly because I need that this is
  • one of those things where my
  • really have I don't know what's going on
  • quite and I think it would be good to
  • listen to your thoughts on it from a
  • fresh perspective something's going on
  • a writer for the for The Guardian a
  • manage to how he managed to do this when
  • I can't even get an interview a certain
  • people that live nearby got an interview
  • with bin Laden's mom yeah I saw this and
  • he he appeared on CBS n and CBS and I
  • this it's done by that Rina or whatever
  • her name is very good news reader and
  • sharp and CBS n is like The Evening News
  • except they don't have these time
  • online yeah just audio I have in this
  • video and it goes on and and they go on
  • this and they take these stories I would
  • in and out you a lot more role do they
  • but let's play this and you get a little
  • feeling for it by the and I what I'm
  • looking for is why is this happening in
  • the first place this guy's obviously mi6
  • or some other intelligence true love the
  • true love guy yeah yeah and when you see
  • him and look at him and listen to him
  • he's very he's a little too slick for
  • the bin Jassim slouch journalist this is
  • the bin Laden interview one Osama bin
  • Laden's mother Ali aghanim has spoken
  • for the first time she recently talked
  • with reporter martin chu love in an
  • Laden of course was the mastermind
  • behind the 9/11 attacks that left
  • SEAL dead he was killed by US Navy
  • in 2011 and the Guardians Martin chulip
  • joins me now from Beirut Martin what
  • exactly did the man's mother have to say
  • about her son what she described with in
  • great detail about his childhood she
  • said he was a an engaging highest
  • very much somebody who was a mentor to
  • his younger brothers and sister and
  • love of her life he lost his way
  • went from being a pious young devoted
  • Muslim lad to being as somebody who was
  • deeply into into fundamentalist zealotry
  • you know so much of this article it
  • feels like she blamed other people that
  • he was brainwashed and that's really why
  • he became the person he did you also
  • spoke to other members of the bin Laden
  • family do they share that same opinion
  • there were two brothers two
  • quite emphatic that Osama was the master
  • of his own destiny yes he did fall in
  • with the Muslim Brotherhood while at
  • later took they said that when they saw
  • these harrowing images of the Twin
  • Towers in New York and the Pentagon
  • their brother who was responsible for it
  • they had warned him many times that he
  • was on a path to to ruin not just for
  • himself but for the family and they were
  • their reflections were far less
  • said he was a man who chose his path and
  • he'd caused great stress and harm for
  • the family for the last 17 years in
  • well this is interesting because when I
  • first heard about this story and the way
  • people were reporting on it they the mom
  • Saudi universities in particular that
  • that ruined him that would make sense if
  • you understand where the hijackers came
  • from and he left that part out even
  • though it was implied if you listen to
  • the whole thing yeah he was in Saudi
  • Arabia was going to but he never said
  • what University and a lot of Saudis go
  • to American universities a lot of them
  • go to British universities mm-hmm so
  • that so that was I found that to be like
  • a clue to whatever mm-hmm let's play
  • part two pretty remarkable Martin to
  • hear you say that the brothers knew
  • right away that when they saw the twin
  • towers coming down but it was bin Laden
  • how are they so certain it was
  • there was a lot of looking at their feet
  • it was a very hard thing for them to
  • almost cathartic for them but on the
  • other hand it was very painful because
  • they've never spoken publicly and they
  • were aware of the ramifications of their
  • words and so they best as I could press
  • them on this there was a moment of deep
  • deep reflection deep shock deep sadness
  • and deep anger almost all blended into
  • one when they were called to the
  • knew that this was the culmination of a
  • that they're formerly beloved older
  • brother had taken their minds mom hasn't
  • spoken in years why do you think she
  • agreed to sit down and do this interview
  • it was a process of negotiations that
  • went on for about 10 months in a state
  • have buy-in from the station we do know
  • we did ask for permission that took a
  • long time to come and and then we had to
  • firstly there was an element of we need
  • to restore some sense of legitimacy not
  • just in Saudi society but perhaps in in
  • in globalised as well they are a very
  • Saudi Arabia the bin Laden clan who
  • but there's there's a second factor too
  • and that is that the three older bin
  • Laden brothers were locked up by the
  • Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman last
  • year accuses of being involved in in
  • these the stigma of Osama and now they
  • have the the fact that the three
  • well and they are looking it's on some
  • level to restore some leverage or
  • so as I'm listening to this before that
  • last bit came in about about the part of
  • the family members the family being
  • locked up by the the Saudi prince I was
  • is you know the previous ruler of the
  • the previous prince king of the Saudi
  • Arabia died old Papa Bush died and he
  • was best friends with along with with
  • george w with the prince bandar who was
  • Bush is still alive okay what am I
  • thinking I'm from the future I'm sorry I
  • put that out there oh my god check the
  • news feed Barbara Bush is dead
  • yeah maybe maybe she's just like hey let
  • me out these a-hole Saudis for the real
  • date you know they ruined my one kid
  • they threw the other ones in jail and
  • this you know we should expose the
  • maybe dumb moms revenge possibly right
  • for Saudi culture for a mom to have
  • revenge but let's go to part three in it
  • because I'm the same as you I kind of
  • and then when I get to this couple of
  • little short clips at the very end where
  • he doesn't even he talks about stuff
  • that wasn't in his article it gets even
  • more interesting you know you write
  • about how the mother and the family
  • members were able to see bin Laden at
  • one point why do you think it is that
  • the family was able to see him and for
  • so long Western intelligence couldn't
  • find it it's very interesting they saw
  • him twice in 1999 in Kandahar at the
  • airport in a base that the Russians used
  • to run and this must be borne in mind
  • was more than a year after the attacks
  • on the US embassies in Tanzania in Kenya
  • and also the the missile strike that
  • al-qaeda so a year after that the family
  • were able to fire their man that but
  • Western intelligence couldn't now I find
  • it difficult to believe that that the
  • Saudi leadership at the time didn't know
  • that the founder were going to visit
  • Osama I do believe that there was a
  • message passed on to him they didn't
  • would have been part of the
  • tell him something for us and we'll let
  • you go and we'll let you come back yeah
  • nothing happens especially if you're
  • living in Saudi Arabia without them
  • knowing and being aware especially when
  • you know Western intelligence at this
  • high level are looking for them do you
  • believe that the Saudis were in cahoots
  • with the bin Laden family in in in the
  • clear this is the are people in the
  • years Soviet occupation on Afghanistan
  • that there was extensive support from
  • the state of Saudi Arabia for the the
  • the Afghan mujahideen and Osama bin
  • Laden was front and center especially
  • there has been a dispute led by
  • House of Saud was directly involved in
  • the lead-up and preparation of 9/11 and
  • that Osama bin Laden rather than being
  • an outcast
  • was an agent that's something that we've
  • looked at for many years now I must say
  • that that premise was not reinforced by
  • had in the lead up both with about
  • former Saudi officials current officials
  • and Western officials the it is it is it
  • is totally clear that the the of Saudi
  • Arabia over the last 38 years exported a
  • form of the faith that under wrote
  • global jihad but I'm not yet convinced
  • that there is any direct causal link
  • between them and bin Laden and them and
  • 9/11 is there a movie coming out maybe
  • that would be a good reason for this we
  • haven't been catching that enough I have
  • to say I just looked I didn't see
  • Soviet occupation by the way I as I've
  • been looking into it over the last six
  • months it was very sketchy and so far is
  • it being an occupation and I'm gonna
  • write a long newsletter essay about this
  • and probably the next few months because
  • this is the period of time where some
  • just wasn't a communist but some
  • in democratically to take over the place
  • and they were dictatorial in a lot of
  • ways and they had modernized the
  • we saw them the Americans intelligence
  • group saw them as communists and it's
  • just part of the this is the era of the
  • I guess maybe was in the late 60s this
  • was the era of the domino theory and so
  • that's why we got what was the what was
  • the domino theory oh the domino theory
  • was which one of the reasons we had the
  • Vietnam War is that if one communism
  • would go all the way down the line
  • Hawaii would be communist yep so we we
  • are the ones that when we saw that
  • we said we're the ones who sent our boys
  • in there to counter this thing and
  • that's where we trained that we trained
  • the mood Jadine yes our selves to kind
  • of undermine the government and the
  • Soviets who thought this was great that
  • they were a bunch of this in this new
  • country they could probably come under
  • their umbrella they had to go in to kind
  • of save the government right and the
  • funny thing is is that and this is the
  • reason I want to write a write about
  • this is for the newsletter is that that
  • era where they keep showing these
  • street yes women all in this guy that
  • was bull crap like that that whole
  • moment was all staged by the Socialists
  • who were trying to modernize the country
  • like overnight really so those pictures
  • of cute girls in bobby socks at the time
  • then that was not true he was propaganda
  • and so there's all these people that do
  • that comparison are really missing the
  • point cause if you go just one year
  • before that government was elected into
  • office and just look at even the postage
  • stamps you see these women they're all
  • covered up and the whole thing is no
  • there probably was less brutal back back
  • in the day maybe not but the whole thing
  • was propaganda and then we've kind of
  • covered it up and we make up the stories
  • about the occupation all the rest of it
  • the whole story about Afghanistan is
  • starts to talk I got this part this is
  • called part 2 intro 1 the true love guy
  • brings in some new information and maybe
  • this has something to do why as to why
  • this this interview in The Guardian and
  • why this interview here on CBS why maybe
  • has something to do with it we're
  • son has been designated a global
  • he is and does the bin Laden and family
  • even address him it at all
  • wait a minute what exactly is being said
  • there a minute what exactly is being said
  • bin Laden's son yeah I don't know any of
  • this do you know this
  • no bin Laden's son has been designated a
  • global terrorist which they don't know
  • double just one particular Sonny they
  • named him did in the second part of this
  • clip they named him it's like I didn't
  • know anything about this kid they had a
  • picture of him to know like a picture oh
  • yes I did of him sitting down in a chair
  • I did see the picture no he wasn't
  • sitting in a chair was a picture of them
  • and I didn't know any of this I think I
  • think this is part of a cuz this is CBS
  • there's your answer right there thank
  • you should have mentioned that in the
  • yeah okay I'm sorry of course CBS end
  • you did all right
  • I wasn't I didn't connect it good good
  • good now so let's think that maybe
  • they're trying to get a new enemy that
  • we can like be bitching and moaning
  • about shaking our fists over like we do
  • with bin Laden for the whole George Bush
  • era you know they never caught the guy
  • right there shaking their fist the whole
  • time but you know what that yeah but
  • that means we need a we need an event
  • ooh Alice on bin Laden wasn't
  • I don't know if we really need one now
  • if he just could because I don't know
  • maybe we do need an events event
  • carries over to the Sun like that that's
  • hear about him you know bin Laden's son
  • has been designated a global terrorist
  • by the US do they know where he is and
  • does the bin Laden and family even
  • address him at all they did talk about
  • Hamza bin Laden who is the heir apparent
  • to Osama according to the half-brothers
  • he has said that he will step up and
  • avenge his father's death and it does
  • appear that he's committed a young life
  • to doing that there was some talk last
  • year that he was in Pakistan and I don't
  • think that's that's likely I think it's
  • more likely Afghanistan where he is
  • it was osama's deputy and is now the
  • leader of al-qaeda he's maintaining a
  • very low profile the family say
  • from him whatsoever they did say and
  • this is something that that I didn't
  • have space to publish that they do
  • believe that he has married the daughter
  • of Mohammed Atta who was the lead
  • viable and very real even seventeen
  • years after the fact fascinating point
  • Martin Shula fascinating interview thank
  • you so much for joining us at CBS n to
  • bring this to us know a couple of things
  • about his last commentary there when he
  • starts talking about just before he
  • starts talking about the marriage to
  • he starts swallowing maniacally which it
  • took me maybe a tell that this is like
  • some scripted thing which the whole
  • thing is yeah but he's all of a sudden
  • star swallowing maniacally I mean he
  • becomes and it's noticeable on the on
  • the audio and so I so this whole thing
  • the owners I played all these clips
  • because there's something going on here
  • and this is an intro to it this is the
  • early this is an intro to it this is the
  • you know yeah but but is it a salvo to
  • this hem see bin Laden character this
  • new guy also if this guy was such an
  • obvious you know the bin Laden kid how
  • come he wasn't buried by a drone like
  • art the American kid you know hella
  • walkies 16 year old son who is not right
  • right right which makes it was like wait
  • a minute this is a why what didn't that
  • happen to this guy if he's so important
  • but now all the sudden he's emerging and
  • he's and he's gonna avenge his father he
  • thing is just really stinks
  • well I like that you've I like the you
  • caught it because I saw an article about
  • it or some reference to it and I did not
  • go and read it and which is interesting
  • by itself that I wouldn't want to go I
  • was just I know I was doing something
  • else but his name is where the humza
  • thumbs up in life I've avenged his
  • if indeed if this is a setup from the
  • there could be something being set up to
  • distract too but I don't say that I mean
  • Russia stuff I mean what else do they
  • need well maybe they think so far ahead
  • is possible I don't personally think
  • this is true but it might be that there
  • did this is just the early stage so you
  • can't so it doesn't come out of the blue
  • oh yeah no we don't you remember that
  • yeah they've talked about this one but
  • about ten years ago you know we've been
  • like I mean bin Laden was on the scene
  • he was on the radar quite a bit yeah
  • yeah so maybe there's that maybe this
  • kids working for the one of the agencies
  • I would guess mi6 but it could be one
  • but then it would it would only be two
  • but I still think we need to keep the
  • Saudi thing and the Saudi thing is is
  • like I'm not sure why but it feels
  • now where's Q when you need him yeah Q's
  • giving us anything it's the only way
  • we'll be able to figure it out well
  • let's see if he drops anything about it
  • and that's it I got a call time John
  • that was a nice little end and a show
  • package different some breadcrumbs yeah
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